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Latest racial updates 2.5.2 are mostly good...

  • Browiseth
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    I am okay with the Argonian change. thought having only healing done was completely stupid
    now with a healing done and received bonus, argonians will have a nice little balance and self-heals will ultimately be better
    skingrad when zoscharacters:
    • EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
    • EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
    • EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
    • EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
    • EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
    • EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
    • EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
    • EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
    • EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
    • EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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  • Eirikir
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    I love what Nord got, I just feel like something is missing. I just don't know what.
    Server: PS4-NA
    PSN: Eirikir
    Name: Eirikir "Erik" Kololf
    Alliance: Ebonheart Pact
    Race: Nord (Lycanthrope)
    Class: Dragonknight (Range DPS)
    Playstyle: Crafter, PVE, PVP, Roleplayer
  • Sasyk
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    This is what eveyone says, but then everyone also says that imperials and redguards are the go-to races for stamina. Therefore I wonder if anyone actually has numbers to prove anything when it comes to khajiit. It is almost like there is this forum conspiracy to keep khajiit down.

    In the current PVE meta, khajiit is the top dog for stamina DPS. Nobody runs regen in highly competitive situations making the bosmer 21% recovery irrelevant, and having 8% weapon crit just by being Khajiit is too good to keep away from. The 10% stam recovery is just a little bonus.

    From a PVE standpoint Bosmer has needed a buff for a long time because they have less max stamina than all the other stam races and their regen isn't gonna help much, considering you can just roll a Redguard and have similar, if not better recovery capability (via Adrenaline Rush passive) than a Bosmer, but with 10% max stamina instead of 3%. The size of your stamina pool contributes to your weapon damage and therefore DPS output.

    When you line them all up, Khajiit, Redguard, and Imperial are all going to outperform Bosmer in a competitive PVE situation.

    If you want to see a bunch of math and numbers about it, refer to this guide by @Gilliamtherogue https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/243441/end-game-stamina-nightblade-build-pve-dps-mostly-up-to-date-for-dbh-patch

    Scroll down to the " Race Choices, and their importance" section. Even though it's for Nightblade the same principle applies to the other stam classes.
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  • Psyonico
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    Quick to Mend: This passive now grants a 1/3/5% bonus to both healing done and healing received, instead of a 3/6/9% bonus to only healing done.
    Dear lord, Argonian Templar tanks are going to be even more powerful
  • xblackroxe
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    What kills me is this. @Wrobel looked at Khajiit and thought that adding 6% Stam (on top of the Stam regen and Crit it already has) would be fine.

    Anyone could see that this will COMPLETELY unbalance the races. HOW DID HE THINK IT WOULD BE OK??

    If that is how he makes decisions then we are truly F*ed.

    Can you explain why it was too much? I see alot of people crying over the khajiit tentative buff but no actual reasoning given on why it is OP.

    Because currently on live, the Khajiit is the best stamina DPS race. Adding 6% more stamina on top of that would just be overkill.

    This is what eveyone says, but then everyone also says that imperials and redguards are the go-to races for stamina. Therefore I wonder if anyone actually has numbers to prove anything when it comes to khajiit. It is almost like there is this forum conspiracy to keep khajiit down.
    People that talk about khajiit being the the best stamina race mean best stamin pve dps race. Thats what matters. In pve those 8% crit help more with dps than a 10% stamnia bonus redguard/imperial have. Now on live khajiit is the best race but redguard is not much behind for templars/sorcs that don't have in class sustain for single target. With the 6% extra stamina though you would trade 4% stamnia for 8% crit which isn't really a choice at all if you want to compete on top of the leaderboards. That change would completely erase every other race from pve endgame as khajiit outdps'es even redguard by quite a large margin.

    TL;DR:
    Everybody that said reguard/imperial is goto for pve stamina dps has no idea what he/she is talking about and Khajiit is the best pve stamina dps race in the game currently and after the patch goes live.

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  • SlayerTheDragon
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    Molag_Crow wrote: »
    What kills me is this. @Wrobel looked at Khajiit and thought that adding 6% Stam (on top of the Stam regen and Crit it already has) would be fine.

    Anyone could see that this will COMPLETELY unbalance the races. HOW DID HE THINK IT WOULD BE OK??

    If that is how he makes decisions then we are truly F*ed.

    well he reversed it so at least he is listening

    Yes, at least, but that is no good. I am in shock after seeing his expression on the last ESO Live. He was like "oh, ok... the community...." He really thought it was a good idea!

    No one's perfect. ^^

    @Molag_Crow just no. Look a all the good work gone into ESO - the sights, sounds and the amazing writing. Now you have one idiot completely flushing it all down the toilet.

    @Wrobel must go.
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  • Jade1986
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    Duiwel wrote: »
    Orcs and Nords need their hp recovery back!

    Where is the tank love

    With the changes to heavy armor and blocking it is VERY clear that ZoS hates tanks and does not listen to the tank community AT ALL. :'(
  • FearlessOne_2014
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    Molag_Crow wrote: »
    What kills me is this. @Wrobel looked at Khajiit and thought that adding 6% Stam (on top of the Stam regen and Crit it already has) would be fine.

    Anyone could see that this will COMPLETELY unbalance the races. HOW DID HE THINK IT WOULD BE OK??

    If that is how he makes decisions then we are truly F*ed.

    well he reversed it so at least he is listening

    Yes, at least, but that is no good. I am in shock after seeing his expression on the last ESO Live. He was like "oh, ok... the community...." He really thought it was a good idea!

    No one's perfect. ^^

    Pretty much.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Azoryl wrote: »
    6% sta and 21% sta recovery for bosmer... the new standard....

    Khajiit back to crap...

    Red guard 10% sta 9 % sta recover with the flat sta increase every 5 sec

    I second your words "Khajiit back to crap...
  • Hashtag_
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    Can someone post the Orc updates please. Thank you.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    Azoryl wrote: »
    6% sta and 21% sta recovery for bosmer... the new standard....

    Khajiit back to crap...

    Red guard 10% sta 9 % sta recover with the flat sta increase every 5 sec

    I second your words "Khajiit back to crap...
    Racial
    Argonian
    Quick to Mend: This passive now grants a 1/3/5% bonus to both healing done and healing received, instead of a 3/6/9% bonus to only healing done.

    Khajiit
    Nimble: This passive ability’s recent change from granting a Health Recovery bonus to a Max Stamina bonus has been reverted. It now grants the same bonuses currently granted on the Live megaservers.

    Redguard
    Adrenaline Rush: Increased the cooldown of this passive’s proc to 5 seconds at all ranks, from 3 seconds on Ranks II and III.

    Wood Elf
    Resist Affliction: Increased the Max Stamina bonus provided by this passive to 2/4/6% from 1/2/3%.

    The Argonian change: This worst change in the current changes, its removes the niche Argonians had for being healers, now with less magika than Bretons and Altmers the 5% will give them almost the same if not less healing minus the regeneration or the reduced cost. They were trying to cater to Argonian tanks but now they suck at both. I started an Argonian healer but I'm probably gonna delete it now.

    Kahjiht change: The Most rightfully needed change, Khajiht already had so many niches, being the top PvE dps and one of the two best thieves and assassins in the game. The 6% added stamina was gonna make it a no brainier for any stamina Dps .


    Reguard changes: Also a change in the right direction, redguards have the best stam regen in the game and they were the best by far PvP Dps. Even as tanks they were one of the best since stamina sustain is even more important than HP for a tank, the nerf is not huge and wont make a very big impact, but still they gave them a nerf without really hurting them that much.

    Wood Elf change: That is a very interesting change, wood elves were good, just not the best at anything, with that change they can be a very good choice for Stamina dps, they have the good stamina now and the highest stam regen in the game, oh and they have 10% less fall damage which is so OP /sarcasm. Now i'm seriously considering making a wood elf.

    I was thinking of replacing my bosmer nb with imperial but with new change, I m happy to keep bosmer.

    My Khajit and bretons will be changed to Imperial and Altemrs..
  • Molag_Crow
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    Molag_Crow wrote: »
    What kills me is this. @Wrobel looked at Khajiit and thought that adding 6% Stam (on top of the Stam regen and Crit it already has) would be fine.

    Anyone could see that this will COMPLETELY unbalance the races. HOW DID HE THINK IT WOULD BE OK??

    If that is how he makes decisions then we are truly F*ed.

    well he reversed it so at least he is listening

    Yes, at least, but that is no good. I am in shock after seeing his expression on the last ESO Live. He was like "oh, ok... the community...." He really thought it was a good idea!

    No one's perfect. ^^

    @Molag_Crow just no. Look a all the good work gone into ESO - the sights, sounds and the amazing writing. Now you have one idiot completely flushing it all down the toilet.

    @Wrobel must go.

    There's no need to be so hostile. You shouldn't make it personal with a certain developer, and don't forget that you are one player of hundreds of thousands of players on this game.
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  • Bigevilpeter
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    Hashtag_ wrote: »
    Can someone post the Orc updates please. Thank you.

    Orc Skills
    Heavy Armor Expertise: This passive ability has been renamed to “Craftsman.” Also, in addition to the current benefit it now increases your inspiration gains by 10%.
    Robust: This passive ability has been renamed to “Unflinching.” It now increases your Health Recovery by 6/13/20%, down from 10/20/30% and your healing received by 1/3/5%.
  • Thornen
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    What kills me is this. @Wrobel looked at Khajiit and thought that adding 6% Stam (on top of the Stam regen and Crit it already has) would be fine.

    Anyone could see that this will COMPLETELY unbalance the races. HOW DID HE THINK IT WOULD BE OK??

    If that is how he makes decisions then we are truly F*ed.

    well he reversed it so at least he is listening

    Yes, at least, but that is no good. I am in shock after seeing his expression on the last ESO Live. He was like "oh, ok... the community...." He really thought it was a good idea!

    Thats because they don't really play the game, especially not in pvp. What was Rich Lamberts statement that they have a few rank 20 devs....
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