So why was Necropotence raised to CP160 then nerfed into the ground?

Reorx_Holybeard

Transairion wrote: »

My obvious response here is to question why this theoretical Necropotence max magicka build you linked has no pets to activate Necropotence in the first place (Summon Shade is on neither bar, and I have to assume Shades count as "pets" and scale with max magcika), and then wonder what the point of said build would be? Just to have high max magicka?

Even a theoretical Sorc pet build with Necropotence and all max-magicka passives/buffs active would only have two pets and Meteor as abilities, then Light/Heavy attacks as the only damage sources.


I do want to know then, what is considered the base magicka stat then? Is it just the stat when a player is "naked" and unbuffed? Or would one have to remove all skill points and champion points to get this base stat?

Its just a theoretical build I was using to test the character builder...I think the last save just happened to have the 5th piece of Necropotence turned on but previously it was using 4 pieces and some other things. Given that Dracane seems to be actually using a similar real build I'm not too worried about the specifics. The nice thing about knowing the formula for Max Magicka (or anything else) is being able to see the exact effect something like this change will have.

As for what is actually considered "base magicka" for the purposes of % skills. If we simplify the previous formula I posted we get something like:

Magicka = ((Base + Item)*CP + Food + Mundus)*(Skill + Buff)

So your base magicka would be just "(Base + Item)*CP + Food + Mundus". For this particular test build the base magicka is 40.4k without the Necropotence 5th piece bonus (skill bonus is 35%).

Dracane

Transairion wrote: »

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

Necropotence: This item set’s Max Magicka bonus has been changed to a flat value instead of a percentage.

Going from +10% max magicka to a flat 4000 is a straight nerf, even for me... and I don't even fully go max magicka (due to a certain item set I wear). I have just over 40k magicka as a "imperfectly built" Pet Sorceror, and 10% of that is still over 4000. A fully built, 2 pets only Sorc will have FAR more than 40k max magicka, at which point the previous 10% value gives them far MORE than 4000 magicka.


You've really nerfed the set into pointlessness, and it's one of the most niche unused sets in the game to begin with. Necropotence with a +50% max magicka bonus still wouldn't make a Pet Sorc any kind of top tier DPS, so why the heck are you nerfing one of the most specific Pet Item Sets into the ground?

Actually, this should be a pretty large buff to anyone using the set. Looking at the 10% bonus as it stands now with a "Max Magicka" build of 58K Magicka Necropotence only contributes just a shade over 4k of that. Since assumably the 4k from the new set will be modified by your +% Magicka I can't see any situation where you'd get less magicka with the new set.

Remember that the formula for your Max Health/Magicka/Stamina is relatively complicated so when something says "10% Max X" you can't just take 10% of your current stat and assume that's what you'll get.

Magicka = ((142 * Level + 858 + 111 * Attribute.Magicka + Item.Magicka + Set.Magicka)*(1 + pow(CP.Magicka, 0.56432)/100) + Food.Magicka + Mundus.Magicka + floor(Mundus.Magicka * Item.Divines))*(1 + Skill.Magicka + Buff.Magicka)

Doing some tests on the build in theory it looks like the new set would give me a tad under 61k magicka compared to 58k with the old set. I'll take that....

My obvious response here is to question why this theoretical Necropotence max magicka build you linked has no pets to activate Necropotence in the first place (Summon Shade is on neither bar, and I have to assume Shades count as "pets" and scale with max magcika), and then wonder what the point of said build would be? Just to have high max magicka?

Even a theoretical Sorc pet build with Necropotence and all max-magicka passives/buffs active would only have two pets and Meteor as abilities, then Light/Heavy attacks as the only damage sources.


I do want to know then, what is considered the base magicka stat then? Is it just the stat when a player is "naked" and unbuffed? Or would one have to remove all skill points and champion points to get this base stat?

My base Magicka on live is 37110
That's all I know

And well, pet builds are complicated and you don't have much left to use abilities. But now it becomes a bit less lackluster, as you at least gain some stats.

Grunim

Do the wolves from the Werewolf Pack Leader morph count as pets? I know most people wouldn't think of using such a magicka based set for a werewolf but I'm curious

Dracane

Grunim wrote: »

Do the wolves from the Werewolf Pack Leader morph count as pets? I know most people wouldn't think of using such a magicka based set for a werewolf but I'm curious

They do. Maw of the infernal, dwemer sphere, shadow image, sorc pets, ball of lighnting and Wolf wolves count as pets towards necropotence Ah and Morkuldin