Crafting Bag ?

Lysette

Epona222 wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I would like a lite version where I can get the crafting bag, but not the DLC's. I know that sounds strange, but I don't want them just yet. I don't want my crafting writs to move or new NPC's chasing me down to go somewhere I don't want to be.

No NPCs chase you down, they have fixed Shuga so she stays around the wayshrine (I have several characters that have not started Orsinium yet, and I promise you, she no longer chases you around).

The only thing which happens with a new character, when you have access to Orsinium is, that a lady comes up to you in towns saying "you can't imagine how long I've been looking for you" - you just accept her message and that's it.

SkoomaAddict420

Mojmir wrote: »

We all deserve to be Coppertops...

Hallothiel

@Rosveen

Can't do 6 months sub on console

And from what I've read it seems that xbox can't do subs properly at all......

nine9six

Khenarthi wrote: »

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

How many crowns do subscribers get a month ?

1500 crowns

Yes. Looks like enough incentive to me for someone whom needs incentive to purchase subs... Seeing as $14.99 is what we pay for that amount of crowns alone. That technical makes everything else free for subscribers. Long before the crafting bag was applied...

Except it's no real incentive if you don't like cosmetic junk. I have more or less 25k crowns saved for the simple reason that none of the pets/costumes appeal to me much, mounts and motifs can be bought for gold in game, and consumables can be crafted with game stuff. Yes I have been a subscriber for a long time...

I was in the same boat. Subbed since Day 1 and all I've ever used Crowns for was to buy the DLC, just to "have" it.

Recently purchased the Assistants. As someone who plays 12 Toons....man I wish I would have done this sooner!

Lysette

nine9six wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

How many crowns do subscribers get a month ?

1500 crowns

Yes. Looks like enough incentive to me for someone whom needs incentive to purchase subs... Seeing as $14.99 is what we pay for that amount of crowns alone. That technical makes everything else free for subscribers. Long before the crafting bag was applied...

Except it's no real incentive if you don't like cosmetic junk. I have more or less 25k crowns saved for the simple reason that none of the pets/costumes appeal to me much, mounts and motifs can be bought for gold in game, and consumables can be crafted with game stuff. Yes I have been a subscriber for a long time...

I was in the same boat. Subbed since Day 1 and all I've ever used Crowns for was to buy the DLC, just to "have" it.

Recently purchased the Assistants. As someone who plays 12 Toons....man I wish I would have done this sooner!

Actually I was so against the assistants, due to their high price and because I think it is real greedy - nevertheless I have bought the banker now, with 10 characters it is quite useful, even it is too high priced. I have mixed feelings about my decision really, because I support greed with it, even I did not want to do it. But with 10 characters it makes sense to have the banker and it can be quite convenient on shopping tours as well.

technohic

If they sell it, I doubt it would be 4000 crowns. They can make that off you by having you sub 3 months to use it. Maybe they'd cut a deal and sell it outright for crowns equal to a year of subscription cost.

emily3989

Maybe they could unlock it after a certain number of crowns purchased (not spent).

Example:

Say you sub for 1 year = 18,000 crowns.

So, if I am a non-sub, and I accumulate 18,000 crowns through other means, it unlocks for me as well (or perhaps non-subs have to purchase a different total, like 25K)

Seems more fair, TBH, as having purchased 18,000 crowns + in any form is certainly supporting the game at least a significant amount.

Additionally, it would solve the issue of people who cannot sub anymore to lose this item, even though they may have supported the game for several years, once you cancel, poof, gone!

And say I am a non-sub who has purchased about 12,000 crowns during my tenure, this certainly might encourage me to continue buying.

Just a thought.

idk

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

Do you think they should put the crafting bag in the crown store for 4000 crowns ? I do, as I can't afford a sub. every month...

No. Zos made the correct choice when they made it an ESO+ exclusive. A sub pays more per month than someone who merely buys the DLCs.

If they were to see it to the crown store it could have to cost something like 100k-200k crown. Not a meager 4K.

Btw. The crafting bag is fabulous and worth the sub.

StormPoet

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

We all deserve to be Coppertops...

Only if you are willing to pay. Crafting bag is NOT NECESSARY to play the game. Sub or don't it's your choice. I live on a limited income as well and most people blow $15 a month on junk, smokes, booze or whatever. If you don't have it don't sub but don't expect them to give away their biggest win for getting subs. They said it won't happen so grow up, build a bridge and get over it already.

nine9six

Lysette wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »

How many crowns do subscribers get a month ?

1500 crowns

Yes. Looks like enough incentive to me for someone whom needs incentive to purchase subs... Seeing as $14.99 is what we pay for that amount of crowns alone. That technical makes everything else free for subscribers. Long before the crafting bag was applied...

Except it's no real incentive if you don't like cosmetic junk. I have more or less 25k crowns saved for the simple reason that none of the pets/costumes appeal to me much, mounts and motifs can be bought for gold in game, and consumables can be crafted with game stuff. Yes I have been a subscriber for a long time...

I was in the same boat. Subbed since Day 1 and all I've ever used Crowns for was to buy the DLC, just to "have" it.

Recently purchased the Assistants. As someone who plays 12 Toons....man I wish I would have done this sooner!

Actually I was so against the assistants, due to their high price and because I think it is real greedy - nevertheless I have bought the banker now, with 10 characters it is quite useful, even it is too high priced. I have mixed feelings about my decision really, because I support greed with it, even I did not want to do it. But with 10 characters it makes sense to have the banker and it can be quite convenient on shopping tours as well.

Same exact boat. I didn't want to pay "full price" for them. Took the plunge and I wish I'd have done it sooner. Now I'm back at the "there's nothing to spend Crowns on" mindset.

Eventually, with housing and whatnot...

Khenarthi

emily3989 wrote: »

Maybe they could unlock it after a certain number of crowns purchased (not spent).

Example:

Say you sub for 1 year = 18,000 crowns.

So, if I am a non-sub, and I accumulate 18,000 crowns through other means, it unlocks for me as well (or perhaps non-subs have to purchase a different total, like 25K)

Seems more fair, TBH, as having purchased 18,000 crowns + in any form is certainly supporting the game at least a significant amount.

Additionally, it would solve the issue of people who cannot sub anymore to lose this item, even though they may have supported the game for several years, once you cancel, poof, gone!

And say I am a non-sub who has purchased about 12,000 crowns during my tenure, this certainly might encourage me to continue buying.

Just a thought.

Seems like a great idea to me, but I do not think this would be implemented because this would mean that there would again be little incentive to subscribe or buy a ton of crowns after the threshold is reached. I would love this idea though.

Sorry for the thread hijack - @Lysette and @nine9six do you find the banker really useful? I am on the fence about getting it... my 12 characters usually get parked near the stables in towns so it would save only a quick jog and a loading screen. Admittedly that can take 5 minutes or more for each... for a total of one hour when I want to gather provisioning writ money or recipes. So for now I held back buying it but it may be a worthwhile crown sink.

Also, for people with no crafting bags, you could use the bankers to keep the crafting materials in bank (stacks up to 200) and distribute the rest in less-played alts like I did up until last month with the normal bank NPCs.

idk

emily3989 wrote: »

Maybe they could unlock it after a certain number of crowns purchased (not spent).

Example:

Say you sub for 1 year = 18,000 crowns.

So, if I am a non-sub, and I accumulate 18,000 crowns through other means, it unlocks for me as well (or perhaps non-subs have to purchase a different total, like 25K)

Seems more fair, TBH, as having purchased 18,000 crowns + in any form is certainly supporting the game at least a significant amount.

Additionally, it would solve the issue of people who cannot sub anymore to lose this item, even though they may have supported the game for several years, once you cancel, poof, gone!

And say I am a non-sub who has purchased about 12,000 crowns during my tenure, this certainly might encourage me to continue buying.

Just a thought.

No one will buy and spend that much crown. Those that buy the DLC instead of sub are trying to save money. Not spend more. It would be pointless for the Devs to even consider this.

nine9six

@Khenarthi

I know everyone's gaming habits are different and thus their priorities are different...but for me...I'd buy the Banker even if I had to buy it on a Per-Toon basis. That's how much use I get out of it.

I actively play all of my Toons. Never needing to "go to the bank" is amazing.

Also, I recently ground 4 new Toons (thanks for the slots, ZOS!) and I made 9 sets of 5/5 Willows Path & 4/5 Eternal Hunt (Training, Max Stam for Steel Tornado Spamming, Upgrade to Blue) set apart every 5 levels. That takes a lot of space (81 pieces to be exact)!

I would carry 3 full sets on my persons. Once I leveled through those sets I would get the Banker out, deposit all of those set pieces + all the crap I've looted and then I'd retrieve 3 more sets of my pre-crafted gear. Grab a few more Ambrosia and Food if needed and go back at it.

4 Toons to 50 in less than a week thanks in part to the Banker. I didn't play every day, either.

I also make use of the Banker for Crafting Writs (and I got my Banker *after* the Survey Cheating BS so no accusations!). Complete & Turn In Writs. Open Containers. Dump contents with Banker. Hop on my "main gatherer" and pull all of the Surveys out. No worries if there are any Duplicates because I don't need to go back to the Bank to get it out after I've gathered the Materials from said Survey. Get on one of my new Toons and Decon all the crap from the Writ Containers.

I'm also running around getting *all* of the Skyshards on these 4 new Toons. "Oh, my bag is almost full..." Banker!! Once I clear a few Maps of their Sky Shards, I return to Mournhold and Decon all of the crap I've collected as to level my Crafting. This will eventually get me to where I have 4 more Toons doing Writs...so, even more use for the Banker.

So, for me, Banker + Merchant (seldom used by me but Group Members love using him) + Crafting Bags = AWESOME.

I, personally, wouldn't be able to go back after developing these tendencies.

Khenarthi

nine9six wrote: »

@Khenarthi

I know everyone's gaming habits are different and thus their priorities are different...but for me...I'd buy the Banker even if I had to buy it on a Per-Toon basis. That's how much use I get out of it.

I actively play all of my Toons. Never needing to "go to the bank" is amazing.

Also, I recently ground 4 new Toons (thanks for the slots, ZOS!) and I made 9 sets of 5/5 Willows Path & 4/5 Eternal Hunt (Training, Max Stam for Steel Tornado Spamming, Upgrade to Blue) set apart every 5 levels. That takes a lot of space (81 pieces to be exact)!

I would carry 3 full sets on my persons. Once I leveled through those sets I would get the Banker out, deposit all of those set pieces + all the crap I've looted and then I'd retrieve 3 more sets of my pre-crafted gear. Grab a few more Ambrosia and Food if needed and go back at it.

4 Toons to 50 in less than a week thanks in part to the Banker. I didn't play every day, either.

I also make use of the Banker for Crafting Writs (and I got my Banker *after* the Survey Cheating BS so no accusations!). Complete & Turn In Writs. Open Containers. Dump contents with Banker. Hop on my "main gatherer" and pull all of the Surveys out. No worries if there are any Duplicates because I don't need to go back to the Bank to get it out after I've gathered the Materials from said Survey. Get on one of my new Toons and Decon all the crap from the Writ Containers.

I'm also running around getting *all* of the Skyshards on these 4 new Toons. "Oh, my bag is almost full..." Banker!! Once I clear a few Maps of their Sky Shards, I return to Mournhold and Decon all of the crap I've collected as to level my Crafting. This will eventually get me to where I have 4 more Toons doing Writs...so, even more use for the Banker.

So, for me, Banker + Merchant (seldom used by me but Group Members love using him) + Crafting Bags = AWESOME.

I, personally, wouldn't be able to go back after developing these tendencies.

Thank you for the review - I think you convinced me to get it now. It's not like there's better things to put crowns on anyway, either...

nine9six

Khenarthi wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

@Khenarthi

I know everyone's gaming habits are different and thus their priorities are different...but for me...I'd buy the Banker even if I had to buy it on a Per-Toon basis. That's how much use I get out of it.

I actively play all of my Toons. Never needing to "go to the bank" is amazing.

Also, I recently ground 4 new Toons (thanks for the slots, ZOS!) and I made 9 sets of 5/5 Willows Path & 4/5 Eternal Hunt (Training, Max Stam for Steel Tornado Spamming, Upgrade to Blue) set apart every 5 levels. That takes a lot of space (81 pieces to be exact)!

I would carry 3 full sets on my persons. Once I leveled through those sets I would get the Banker out, deposit all of those set pieces + all the crap I've looted and then I'd retrieve 3 more sets of my pre-crafted gear. Grab a few more Ambrosia and Food if needed and go back at it.

4 Toons to 50 in less than a week thanks in part to the Banker. I didn't play every day, either.

I also make use of the Banker for Crafting Writs (and I got my Banker *after* the Survey Cheating BS so no accusations!). Complete & Turn In Writs. Open Containers. Dump contents with Banker. Hop on my "main gatherer" and pull all of the Surveys out. No worries if there are any Duplicates because I don't need to go back to the Bank to get it out after I've gathered the Materials from said Survey. Get on one of my new Toons and Decon all the crap from the Writ Containers.

I'm also running around getting *all* of the Skyshards on these 4 new Toons. "Oh, my bag is almost full..." Banker!! Once I clear a few Maps of their Sky Shards, I return to Mournhold and Decon all of the crap I've collected as to level my Crafting. This will eventually get me to where I have 4 more Toons doing Writs...so, even more use for the Banker.

So, for me, Banker + Merchant (seldom used by me but Group Members love using him) + Crafting Bags = AWESOME.

I, personally, wouldn't be able to go back after developing these tendencies.

Thank you for the review - I think you convinced me to get it now. It's not like there's better things to put crowns on anyway, either...

100% agree.

emily3989

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Maybe they could unlock it after a certain number of crowns purchased (not spent).

Example:

Say you sub for 1 year = 18,000 crowns.

So, if I am a non-sub, and I accumulate 18,000 crowns through other means, it unlocks for me as well (or perhaps non-subs have to purchase a different total, like 25K)

Seems more fair, TBH, as having purchased 18,000 crowns + in any form is certainly supporting the game at least a significant amount.

Additionally, it would solve the issue of people who cannot sub anymore to lose this item, even though they may have supported the game for several years, once you cancel, poof, gone!

And say I am a non-sub who has purchased about 12,000 crowns during my tenure, this certainly might encourage me to continue buying.

Just a thought.

No one will buy and spend that much crown. Those that buy the DLC instead of sub are trying to save money. Not spend more. It would be pointless for the Devs to even consider this.

First off, not everyone that doesn't sub is pennyless or cheap. They just have their reasons.

Also, consider the guy that subbed for 1+ years then stops for whatever reason. He certainly has contributed more than the person that just started the game this month, but no crafting bag anymore. What this is more than an incentive to start subbing, it is a huge incentive to keep subbing more than anything, because who is going to want to lose their crafting bag once it has a ton of stuff in it.

Lastly:
I only subbed like 3 months, then gave it up: plus I bought crown package once when on sale. So with little effort, I have purchased around 10K already. Another 8-10K is nothing and would surely incentivize me to purchase more crowns than I have right now.

vyrusb23

NO ....................................................................... again.

DaniAngione

I think if it ever goes to the Store, it should go in the form of "licenses" that last a certain amount of time and cost just a little bit less than what this time would've costed in subs.

For example, "Crafting Bag 6-month voucher" for 80% of the price of a 6-month sub.

People complain the game is super easy - well, then just go and work harder to pay for a darn sub? It's not that expensive and the benefits like crafting bag or not having to pay for DLC are very worthy.

Subscribing NEEDS incentive. The game development, fixing, new content, server maintenance, customer service and all that costs money, you know? There are people working there and they eat, have families and sleep, too :P

People should be thankful we have crafting bags as a subscription incentive, not extra/increased drop chances, ultra-powerful items that only subscribers can pay, etc... That exists out there, and people think they're playing a free game, lol.

AlnilamE

OP, I understand where you are coming from, but that's what makes the crafting bag such a great incentive to subscribe.

Like other people, I have plenty of crowns saved up that I got from subscribing, even after having bought a couple of mounts, costumes and DLCs. So the crafting bag really makes me want to keep subscribing.

What you *can* do, though, is, when you have the means, subscribe for 1 month. All your crafting materials will go into the crafting bag and will stay there when your subscription runs out. You can still take them out when you need to use them, but you can't put any more in until you decide to subscribe again.

It's not ideal, but I think it's working quite well for the people who have tried it.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Well here comes another 20+ page thread of pointless arguing. The bags are going to stay sub only as they should. Either sub or get over it.

Wreuntzylla

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

The crafting bag is really amazing. A real game changer. Which is why it would be un-wise of them to allow people access to it without subbing.

As a subscriber though, I would not be against a version that can be bought outright.

This is why I am torn. I didn't realize how tedious and painful inventory management had become until it was gone... The game is so much more enjoyable for me now.

ZoS makes money from selling the inventory slots. If I had the crafting bag earlier I probably would not have spent crowns on maxing inventory. At the same time, inventory management sucks and relieving that pain could act to increase overall population.

So, sell a limited crafting bag in the crown store that still pressures you to buy inventory slots. Maybe a bag that only holds trait and style material. Or perhaps sell individual bags for each type of mat (one for traits, one for provisioning material, etc.) to make up for the loss of crown store sales.

Make each bag cost 5k crowns.

Miszou

I love these threads.

Anyway, true story... my son started playing ESO last night (with me) and after about an hour he started complaining that his inventory was full. He would dump some stuff, throw away some more stuff, and then 10 minutes later - full again.

So I bought him an ESO sub. I told him "even if you only play for a week and get bored, this is worth it. don't worry about it, I'll cancel it if you stop playing, but I'm not gonna watch you hate the game while I run around vacuuming everything up with impunity".

3 minutes later...

"OMG this thing is so OP! It's amazing!!"

30 minutes later...

"Woah! Look at all this stuff in my bag! And I still don't have to go town yet!"

Moral of the story: Craft bag is worth it. Subscribing is worth it.

This thing will never appear in the crown store, because it is simply too good for a one-time purchase. ZOS knows this, and they know that people (like me) will gladly pay for it every month.

technohic

I suppose they could make a temporary one that expires every 30 days from use for half the sub price.

Mureel

Epona222 wrote: »

No. You can buy it for $15 a month (£7 in the UK), that is the price.

8.99 UK but yes.

Lysette

Khenarthi wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Maybe they could unlock it after a certain number of crowns purchased (not spent).

Example:

Say you sub for 1 year = 18,000 crowns.

So, if I am a non-sub, and I accumulate 18,000 crowns through other means, it unlocks for me as well (or perhaps non-subs have to purchase a different total, like 25K)

Seems more fair, TBH, as having purchased 18,000 crowns + in any form is certainly supporting the game at least a significant amount.

Additionally, it would solve the issue of people who cannot sub anymore to lose this item, even though they may have supported the game for several years, once you cancel, poof, gone!

And say I am a non-sub who has purchased about 12,000 crowns during my tenure, this certainly might encourage me to continue buying.

Just a thought.

Seems like a great idea to me, but I do not think this would be implemented because this would mean that there would again be little incentive to subscribe or buy a ton of crowns after the threshold is reached. I would love this idea though.

Sorry for the thread hijack - @Lysette and @nine9six do you find the banker really useful? I am on the fence about getting it... my 12 characters usually get parked near the stables in towns so it would save only a quick jog and a loading screen. Admittedly that can take 5 minutes or more for each... for a total of one hour when I want to gather provisioning writ money or recipes. So for now I held back buying it but it may be a worthwhile crown sink.

Also, for people with no crafting bags, you could use the bankers to keep the crafting materials in bank (stacks up to 200) and distribute the rest in less-played alts like I did up until last month with the normal bank NPCs.

If you tend to park them at the stables, it might not be that useful for you to buy the banker - but if you are out in the field and leave characters there, it can be quite helpful - depends basically on your daily routine. But when you trade a lot at different guild traders - as well those, which are not near a bank, it can be quite useful - it really depends on what you do.

Or think about when your inventory gets too full and you are out in the field - you can drop off into the bank anytime basically with the banker - and if you switch to a character, who is near a merchant, you can as well sell that stuff from the banker to the merchant - you do not really need the merchant assistant in this case, but just use an alt, who is near a merchant, to sell it off - and then back to your character out in the field, who has now space in his inventory again.

And as far as mule alts go - forget about them, get ESO+, there is nothing as convenient for crafting than the crafting bag, it is totally worth the subscription. That bag is not just additional space, it is like a portable bank for crafting materials which is automated - so it feels like you get a manager for this with it as well. You have all your crafting materials from all characters all the time with you and as well all the bait they might have gathered - you never have to think about who has it, everyone of your characters has it ready to use in the crafting bag.

Acrolas

Now that all my characters are max level, I've just stopped saving as much.
Focus does wonders to squash the collecting bug.

But I might reconsider if I can use the bottomless bag to murder people. Blade of Woe is so... uncivilized.
The secret behind my sweeping and orderly killings is that my bottomless bag is made from the legendary Sham of Wow.

idk

emily3989 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

Maybe they could unlock it after a certain number of crowns purchased (not spent).

Example:

Say you sub for 1 year = 18,000 crowns.

So, if I am a non-sub, and I accumulate 18,000 crowns through other means, it unlocks for me as well (or perhaps non-subs have to purchase a different total, like 25K)

Seems more fair, TBH, as having purchased 18,000 crowns + in any form is certainly supporting the game at least a significant amount.

Additionally, it would solve the issue of people who cannot sub anymore to lose this item, even though they may have supported the game for several years, once you cancel, poof, gone!

And say I am a non-sub who has purchased about 12,000 crowns during my tenure, this certainly might encourage me to continue buying.

Just a thought.

No one will buy and spend that much crown. Those that buy the DLC instead of sub are trying to save money. Not spend more. It would be pointless for the Devs to even consider this.

First off, not everyone that doesn't sub is pennyless or cheap. They just have their reasons.

I could not have said it better. It is a choice to sub or not.

it is also a choice for Zos to ONLY provide the bag to subs. It's a smart choice they made. The rest of your argument if moot since it would not be a smart choice for Zos to consider them.

Subscription is the strongest source of repeated revenue and more costly than merely buying the DLC. Additionally, subscriptions also increase value of the business to investors significantly more than mere crown sales.

Again, it's a choice to sub or not.

IrishGirlGamer

Crafting bags argument again? Yeah. Thing is: I can see why it keeps coming up.

The crafting bag IS a game breaker. I mean, it's huge. I went from a maxed-out inventory with all my banking slots purchased to less than 40 in use. Had I started playing today instead of two years ago, I might just sub for the crafting bag and never max my inventory.

So it is a big deal. But I feel Zeni has made it useable for people who may not want a continuous sub.

Say you just want to play this summer. Three months sub is about $45. Sub up. When school starts in the fall and you can't play as much, unsub. Your stuff is still there. You can take stuff out as needed. When you can play steady again, sub up. Someone on a serious academic schedule might sub up for 5 months out of 12 and save themselves $100 bucks.

Really, I've read and heard a number of arguments on this. On the forums, on Reddit, in zone chat, in guild chat. I remain unconvinced that this either (1) should be a crown store purchase or (2) is a huge inconvenience for people who don't want to sub.

I understand it's not about the money. Some people don't want to sub. Fine. But then why does Zenimax owe you an item of value for the price YOU want. I mean, really?

I get it. This is crazy valuable. And they locked it behind a sub. Because Zeni is a business, not a charity or a benevolent organization. And if they ever did sell it in the crown store, I'd just buy it and cancel my sub because I own all the DLC. And if Zenimax knows that and I think they do, then guess what?

You're not going to see it in the crown store - not until the game is dead.

Kalifas

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/18/world_of_warcraft_upkeep_200m/

It cost WoW on average to upkeep 200 million over a period of four years.(that's including salaries and servers,etc)
They had about 10,000,000 subscribers bringing in 1.35 billion a year.
So in that time they made on average 540 billion dollars.

ESO doesn't have as many employees or number of players or number of servers. So the upkeep is highly unlikely to top 200mil in upkeep cost over 4 years.


Subs income Avg for a year:

• 100k=1.5mil
• 200k=3mil
• 300k=4.5mil
• 400k=6mil
• 500k=7.5mil
• 600k=9mil
• 700k=10.5mil
• 800k=12mil
• 900k=13.5mil
• 1mil=15mil
• 2mil=30mil
• 3mil=45mil
• 4mil=60mil
• 5mil=75mil
• 6mil=90mil
• 7mil=105mil

An average DLC cost 30 dollars or 3000 crowns sales profit estimate:

• 100k=3mil
• 200k=6mil
• 300k=9mil
• 400k=12mil
• 500k=15mil
• 600k=18mil
• 700k=21mil
• 800k=24mil
• 900k=27mil
• 1mil=30mil
• 2mil=60mil
• 3mil=90mil
• 4mil=120mil
• 5mil=150mil
• 6mil=180mil
• 7mil-210mil

You can get the base game for 20 bucks.

• 100k=2mil
• 200k=4mil
• 300k=6mil
• 400k=8mil
• 500k=10mil
• 600k=12mil
• 700k=14mil
• 800k=16mil
• 900k=18mil
• 1mil=20mil
• 2mil=40mil
• 3mil=60mil
• 4mil=80mil
• 5mil=100mil
• 6mil=120mil
• 7mil=140mil

ZoS says they have had 7 million players not stating whether subbed or not.
That's 140 million dollars just off base game sales.
I am assuming each of those 7 million at least bought one DLC, that's 210 million.
I am going to assume ZoS has about 1-2 million subscribers, that's 15-30 million per year for four years and that is being optimistic.

$140,000,000
$210,000,000
$60,000,000-$120,000,000
-$200,000,000 upkeep

That's 270 million profit after upkeep.
That doesn't include all the other micro transactions or take into account that other DLC were bought.

Even if ZoS had 7 million subscribers, that doesn't even barely equal half of the profit they make via DLC purchases if you buy at least one DLC per year. And any purchases subscribers make with the cash back crowns they receive doesn't count towards the main profit because they already got your money with the subscription. ZoS actually loses money by offering crowns as part of the subscriber package.

Seems to me they would want players to buy their DLC and give subscribers some incentive for subscribing. But if the DLC buyers feel like peasants and can't be offered conveniences because they don't subscribe. Can you blame them for not buying DLC? What would hurt ZoS the worst? When players leave the game and never come back. Because then they have no chance of getting your money via DLC.

So why are major features getting locked behind a monthly paywall? Crafting bags and infinite dyes is a major feature because of the infinite access. A minor convenience would be subscribers getting 10-20 additional craft slots or 10-20 dye slots.

The subscription does offer a more sustained income depending on how many people subscribe. But how can it be guaranteed players won't unsubscribe. Even if the game was almost perfect, I don't see most players staying subscribed over the duration of this mmos lifecycle. And this game is far from perfect as evidenced by the constant cries of imbalance, the constant cries of game performance, the constant cries for players feeling like *** childs when they don't subscribe.

A quality mmo is one that has superb performance, lots of content, making UI or features as accessible as possible to the players who pay any amount of money towards the game. And gives extra not exclusive bonuses to people who subscribe.

With the way the crafting bag and new dyeing systems is being done and the DLC getting smaller, and making non subscribers
fiddle over and over with the crown store and wondering what is accessible and what is not is a disservice to the community as a whole. The change to making Champion account wide and the introduction of Tamriel One lives up to that notion of a high standard for Elder Scrolls.But this recent upcoming update is not up to the standards of an Elder Scrolls game, and it's not up to standards for a developer the caliber of Zenimax.

And before the free rider or want things free crap comes up. I am willing to pay 7-10k crowns for infinite access so I could stop looking at the crown store less and continue enjoying a high quality Elder Scrolls game.

Sylveria_Relden

They won't put it up in the Crown Store, no matter what people offer to pay.

One-time purchases make them money in the short term, but subscriptions are easier for them to forecast budgets with- they can't "count on" single purchases when deciding what they're going to spend money on for future projects.

They want residual income from subscriptions, hence the reason they locked it behind paywall to begin with. Personally, I'm glad they did it and hope they stick to their guns on such choices- perhaps even expand it to include other frequently-used items in the game so that more people have incentive to subscribe. I never did agree with their choice to drop mandatory subs to begin with, but I completely understand the reason why they did it. (every business likes more customers)