died a little inside...

AriokoSan

I'm out here everyday busting my buns in cyrodiil just like everyone else. But what I saw last night broke a brothers heart...

I spawn in on a castle and decide to go out to the front to see what's going on. And what do I see..

My teammate helping 6 nightblades into the inner part of the keep. He just stands there spamming vigor as they take turns ambushing on him. 1 by 1 taking there time so they don't accidently kill him.

I put my bow away and just stand there looking at my "teammate" thinking why man? He waves at me and runs inside with the other chumps that he just let it.

Since the new campaign started my alliance have been getting a wooping but I still try to help push forward even though every time I log in we only have 2-3 keeps.

Last night was a sad day for me comrades...

UltimaJoe777

AriokoSan wrote: »

I'm out here everyday busting my buns in cyrodiil just like everyone else. But what I saw last night broke a brothers heart...

I spawn in on a castle and decide to go out to the front to see what's going on. And what do I see..

My teammate helping 6 nightblades into the inner part of the keep. He just stands there spamming vigor as they take turns ambushing on him. 1 by 1 taking there time so they don't accidently kill him.

I put my bow away and just stand there looking at my "teammate" thinking why man? He waves at me and runs inside with the other chumps that he just let it.

Since the new campaign started my alliance have been getting a wooping but I still try to help push forward even though every time I log in we only have 2-3 keeps.

Last night was a sad day for me comrades...

Congratulations, you just saw your first spy!

AriokoSan

I recorded it. Any point sending it in?

Wollust

You could have slotted magnum shot and just shoot them out as they ambushed up

UltimaJoe777

AriokoSan wrote: »

I recorded it. Any point sending it in?

Well if it's officially an exploit then you can send it in to report them exploiting the exploit but otherwise it'd do no good. Feel free to try though

OGLezard

AriokoSan wrote: »

I recorded it. Any point sending it in?

since bypassing the siege mechanic IS an exploit then yes, send it in

DannyLV702

It's pointless. Every nightblade in Cyrodiil is doing it at the moment (console). They're not going to ban everyone

incognito222

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_AlanG

As thread starter explained above, exploiters abound still ... just more input for the team at ZOS to do something. The longer you keep silent, the more detrimental the effects to the community as a whole. We need to do our part to try and save the game by providing feedback.

I will not go into cheats as there is already a very long thread on that.

Reverb

incognito222 wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_AlanG

As thread starter explained above, exploiters abound still ... just more input for the team at ZOS to do something. The longer you keep silent, the more detrimental the effects to the community as a whole. Please save this game we all love !

I will not go into cheats as there is already a very long thread on that.

Gina is on family leave, and Alan is only a forum mod, your tags are meaningless. Better to give in game feedback, or better - tag @ZOS_BrianWheeler, the PvP dev, and @Wrobel , the lead combat designer, who are turning a blind eye to the gap closer issues in Cyrodiil right now. Exploiting into a keep with a gap closer is almost more common that using siege at this point, and there are dozens of threads on the forums. The only new info here is that OP identified someone in his faction contributing to it.

Sorry to hear that @AriokoSan, I advise you to report it, but not expect any action from the report. We have players like that in each alliance, on every platform. If something can be exploited, there will be people who will exploit it. It's the nature of things.

Elsonso

AriokoSan wrote: »

I recorded it. Any point sending it in?

I would not bother.

Even if they did consider it an exploit entry into the keep, they would not do anything based on your video. At best, it would demonstrate to them what they already know and they would simply dismiss it.

They seem to be taking the road that an exploit is something to fix (when they get around to it) but, in the mean time, it is something that happens. As Wrobel might phrase it, it provides players with "interesting options". It might even become a formal part of the game, if they decide they cannot fix it, or it costs too much to fix. Like Animation Canceling.

Cherryblossom

I've never been able to do this with my NB into a keep with Ambush. I've done it by accident with my DK using Crit Charge, although in some places you can do it with Take flight Ultimate due to distance.

lardvader

AriokoSan wrote: »

I recorded it. Any point sending it in?

I'd say yes - it might not get you anywhere but this is the only thing we can do and should be done. This is an exploit and close to "social hacking" if anything.

kevlarto_ESO

Collusion in this game is really bad, that goes beyond spy, being able to house all your different faction toons in the same campaign worst idea ever in this game when it comes to pvp, all this willy nilly faction swapping just sucks and kills the spirit of the three faction warfare, no faction pride no campaign pride, oh look ep is winning today lets play on our red toons oh look some other faction is now winning lets switch back. /facepalm

DRXHarbinger

Then get down from the walls and fight. Sick of people spamming poison injection over and over from up top. This gap closer malark needs to stay. Or siege back. Not enough people siege when it comes to defending a keep. Just run around spamming bow attacks or mutagen.

Reevster

Account lock would help some, when you join a campaign you whole account is locked to that faction/campaign for the duration. So none of these players "toons" from another faction can be in said campaign.

*** players will still find a way around it though, with a second account etc etc..

Egonieser

Seems there are only extreme opposites:
Gapclosers broken beyond belief and failing to cast 50% of the time
OR
Gapclosers that work too well and allow people to reach out of bounds locations and angles.

If ZoS is forced to fix this, I have a nasty feeling they will break them again going back to square one. IMO I rather have a few scumbags scumbagging than having a very important skill permanently broken for everyone everywhere, small price to pay if you ask me.
People jumping into keeps is annoying, yes, but not nearly as annoying than having one of the most important skill types in PvP not working. (This is what caused me to quit my templar at one point as due to failed gapclosers made the enemy either to successfully retreat unharmed or finish me off, which caused many ragequits and me swearing at ZoS in a very nasty manner)


Alternatively ZoS could fix it to make sure it works as intended, but given their history at fixing skills, that will never happen. So I stopped hoping a long time ago.

vamp_emily

I am 100% against cheating, however, I personally don't mind if a DK jumps a wall or something like that. If it is not using some kind of cheat to do it. However, what I am really against is people helping them cheat.

I've seen it a few times where one of my alliance members would run a scroll to the enemy. I wish there was a way we could kill our cheating teammates. Or better yet, I wish we could boot them out of the alliance for cheating

FortheloveofKrist

This game is becoming an empty shell. No substance. Just hairstyles and hats and pure bullsh**.

GreenhaloX

Holy moly.. in-game espionage and betrayal. This game is going deep. What is next.. sheesh?!

Elsonso

Egonieser wrote: »

Seems there are only extreme opposites:
Gapclosers broken beyond belief and failing to cast 50% of the time
OR
Gapclosers that work too well and allow people to reach out of bounds locations and angles.

If ZoS is forced to fix this, I have a nasty feeling they will break them again going back to square one. IMO I rather have a few scumbags scumbagging than having a very important skill permanently broken for everyone everywhere, small price to pay if you ask me.
People jumping into keeps is annoying, yes, but not nearly as annoying than having one of the most important skill types in PvP not working.


Alternatively ZoS could fix it to make sure it works as intended, but given their history at fixing skills, that will never happen. So I stopped hoping a long time ago.

Well, from my chair it looks like they "fixed" the gap closers by making them fly rather than trying to get ground pathing to work, and this opened up the exploits. They really need to get the ground pathing to work, which will solve these abuse issues, but I suspect they will spend the bulk of their time putting "gap closer protection" on every keep.

(Edit: just want to add that the flying "superman" shield charge looks really pathetic.)

danno8

Send in the report and the link to the video that you can post on youtube.

Also, if you had account names turned on you can post the cheaters on a 3rd party site (not this one).

Cuyler

Send it in and report them so their UserID is on list when the ban hammer comes down eventually.

Egonieser

lordrichter wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

Seems there are only extreme opposites:
Gapclosers broken beyond belief and failing to cast 50% of the time
OR
Gapclosers that work too well and allow people to reach out of bounds locations and angles.

If ZoS is forced to fix this, I have a nasty feeling they will break them again going back to square one. IMO I rather have a few scumbags scumbagging than having a very important skill permanently broken for everyone everywhere, small price to pay if you ask me.
People jumping into keeps is annoying, yes, but not nearly as annoying than having one of the most important skill types in PvP not working.


Alternatively ZoS could fix it to make sure it works as intended, but given their history at fixing skills, that will never happen. So I stopped hoping a long time ago.

Well, from my chair it looks like they "fixed" the gap closers by making them fly rather than trying to get ground pathing to work, and this opened up the exploits. They really need to get the ground pathing to work, which will solve these abuse issues, but I suspect they will spend the bulk of their time putting "gap closer protection" on every keep.

(Edit: just want to add that the flying "superman" shield charge looks really pathetic.)

Yeah, I reckon that as well. They can't for the life of them seem to fix gapclosers whatsoever. So either it will become like you said or they will make jumping into keeps a valid and legit "part of the game" the very same way ani-cancelling did.

Wonder how much lag would gapcloser protection contribute to the already laggy mess? One could only speculate.

ZOS_AlanG

AriokoSan wrote: »

I recorded it. Any point sending it in?

Yes. If you have footage that you believe demonstrates a violation of the Terms of Service you should send it in. http://help.elderscrollsonline.com/

It's helpful to explain the problem in your ticket, and name the people involved. For a lengthy video, it may be worth including a time stamp so it's easier for us to track down the issue. All of these help expedite any investigation.

willymchilybily

Cherryblossom wrote: »

I've never been able to do this with my NB into a keep with Ambush. I've done it by accident with my DK using Crit Charge, although in some places you can do it with Take flight Ultimate due to distance.

@Cherryblossom 2014 join date indicates you are on PC.

This is a problem on console. I personally believe consoles are an update behind what is live on PC. As previously discussed here

Refuse2GrowUp

ZOS doesn't give a rats arse about this stuff. PvP has been broken for a long time, with shenanigans like this being a contributing factor, and rather than taking action against it, the devs have made it easier to do. Really wish thay would make this an offense, but as it is right now, no action will be taken unfortunately

Lava_Croft

Hello dear console player, while the forum mod may make it seem like sending in a report to ZOS will get anything done, things like this have been happening since the start of the game and in over 2 years I've not heard of anyone getting banned over it. Don't get your hopes up.

Potenza

I am not fighting in Cyro until this junk is fixed. I'm on boycott.

Clerics1985

there's literally nothing they can do cuz he's technically not doing anything wrong ppl are allowed to talk to all alliances anywhere whenever they'd like including inside Cyradill ZOS created ESO so that this is Possible because ZOS are more so Griefers than the Griefers

Etchos

oh I'm torn. What's being described absolutely sucks but........

I love that gap closers are now letting people jump the keep walls. A couple of nights ago I was defending a keep and instead of just running the wall spamming my bow I was fighting the odd wall scaler. Epic battle. Epic fun. One of the best PVP experiences I have had in the 8 months I've been playing the game. I don't care if ZOS say this is an exploit its so much. And before anyone starts throwing mud i'll just repeat I was in the keep defending......not scaling the wall myself.

The downside seems to be that PVP guilds can create characters in the opposition alliance to be used as an exploit to get large amounts of people over the wall away from any siege. undetectable. That's bad.

Plus from reports some people have managed to get in and take scrolls without attacking the keep. Although I have mixed feelings about that.

In short I think there is an interesting mechanic here potentially but it needs to be thought out more. And directly to ZOS .....make a decision!!! Its either an exploit in which case get it sorted so its no longer possible. Or its not, in which case set some ground rules and programme so that cheaters cant cross aliances and let their mates in.

Darkestnght

I feel your pain as I have seen similar situations and it really takes the fun out of PvP when you are working so hard to keep your KEEPS. It just puts an even more sour taste in my mouth when you pile one all the problems since DB as come out.