Magicka Temprar Too Stronk

Pallio

Stronk is a little ambiguous in reference to the effectiveness of the Templar class. I think slow or squishy would better describe them.

sluice

americansteel wrote: »

templar got damage nerf by 400 tool tip damage

dark flare is slow dodgable and many find it useless in pvp

stam builds wreck magplars all the time, stam builds put out higher dps, cc break i got no stam left im dead

now this patch caters to sorcs and toolblades

templar is far from OP

L2P?

seriously our dps is crap, no mobility, crap defense.

the vigor part its not OP L2P ppl, 2 ways for vigor to work tri stat recovery drink and max stats food keep vigor up, 27 blessed 10%quick recovery same for BoL or any heal in the game. l2p

What a load of crap!

Justice31st wrote: »

Dark Flare can be easily dodged. Magicka Templar have low stamina and are easily CC'ed.

Just like any Magicka class.

kaithuzar

Lexxypwns wrote: »

l3alls wrote: »

This is my opinion only from what I see in pvp. I think simply reverting harness magicka and lowering execute range of radiant destruction would be ok.

Radiant Destruction : almost guaranteed death if below 50% if hit by high spell power templar, and even a moderate player
**should be a 30% execute, or a slight damage reduction

Piercing javelin : fast cast times on a knock back CC with high dps, this is ok but a little op
** slightly lower damage and make the knock back CC more...compliant with CC immunity

Biting jabs and related : punishes anyone that tries to melee, sure.. dps is a little obsessive
**remove knockback

Breath of life : one hit heal wtf?
**good luck figuring that one out. still one hit heals with a 30% heal reduction

Harness Magicka: wtf.. revert this back
**revert this back. it makes no sense

There is a one bar winning combo!
boring

Are you crazy?

Radiant Destruction: This is a skill check, if you're a skilled player you can counter this ability unless its used deep into its execute range and is completely hard countered by keeping yourself out of execute range. This is only troublesome in 1vX situations.

Javelin: Perfectly balanced skill

Sweeps: This ability in no way counters melee builds, in fact, it is another templar ability that can be countered by skill, simply don't stand in the small cone area, since the templar is snared as soon as he starts casting and the snare from getting hit by the ability doesn't apply until the final hit of the channel you have ample opportunity to position yourself where you would like while still being able to DPS the templar, if you're having trouble dealing with this, try moving THROUGH the templar as opposed to running away.

Breath of life: While this is a VERY strong heal, there are plenty of heal debuffs available and you can always time your burst combo properly to eliminate any chance of them healing. Also, a templar turtling and spamming breath of life isn't gonna kill you.

Harness Magika: While the shield itself got buffed, the change in duration requires it to be used re-actively, which keeps it in balance, if we revert the duration then the ability to absorb all types of damage would indeed be broken

I'm not saying Templar isn't strong in some situation, but I honestly can't think of a single Templar skill that's too strong at present.

Just saying my problem is 2 things:
sweeps is supposed to be a conal, but in reality i feel like you can be dodge rolling, to the side, or even behind the templar & still be hit
breath of life wouldn't be a huge deal if it wasn't stacked with malabeth's, engine guardian would make it a more fair fight IMO
Even with poisons, 100 pts into befouled & soul harvest, sorry i'm not going to debuff a templar's healing, whether it's because of clense or b/c the heals are too strong with malabeth
And this doesn't just extend to magic templars, stam dk's & stam templars have better heals than sorc's & magic nb's
I wonder if stam nb's have better heals than magic nbs? My stam nb buddy gets 9k rally ticks, can't remember the last time my healing ward ticked for anything near that.

Lava_Croft

Pallio wrote: »

Stronk is a little ambiguous in reference to the effectiveness of the Templar class. I think slow or squishy would better describe them.

If your Templar is squishy you aren't doing it right.

acw37162

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Van_0S

CompactVirus wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Yea, dark flare OP & they can cleanse debuff's off of themselves
whatever the stabby stabby move is it's completely broken, I believe it's Puncturing Sweep - what is broken is that it will hit you no matter what even if you are at a different keep.
5 light kags impen + sword & board is strong enough but many are using malabeths monster set which is completely broken making them unkillable

pl0x fix,
kthxbye

This is hilarious. Templar OP now? Before last patch I bet you were moaning about sorc shields

Very true!

tplink3r1

kaithuzar wrote: »

Yea, dark flare OP & they can cleanse debuff's off of themselves
whatever the stabby stabby move is it's completely broken, I believe it's Puncturing Sweep - what is broken is that it will hit you no matter what even if you are at a different keep.
5 light kags impen + sword & board is strong enough but many are using malabeths monster set which is completely broken making them unkillable

pl0x fix,
kthxbye

Did you just "agree" your own post?

kaithuzar

Van_0S wrote: »

CompactVirus wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

Yea, dark flare OP & they can cleanse debuff's off of themselves
whatever the stabby stabby move is it's completely broken, I believe it's Puncturing Sweep - what is broken is that it will hit you no matter what even if you are at a different keep.
5 light kags impen + sword & board is strong enough but many are using malabeths monster set which is completely broken making them unkillable

pl0x fix,
kthxbye

This is hilarious. Templar OP now? Before last patch I bet you were moaning about sorc shields

Very true!

As long as we're talking 'truth', lets be honest & say that your guys opinions of yourselves being "OP" are SOLELY based on you rocking FOTM, just because you gotta try a little harder on your sorc nowadays (after bringing it into balance) it doesn't interest you anymore regardless of the fact that sorc's like reddington james & methusaleh would've r3kt you back then & would still wreck you now.
Tell me more about why you rolled a templar...

Van_0S

acw37162 wrote: »

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Stronk was a typing error by @Master_Kas , when he was an empress in EP faction.

Kas

Van_0S wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Stronk was a typing error by @Master_Kas , when he was an empress in EP faction.

no, stronk is kind of an internet meme and has been for many years.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stronk

WillhelmBlack

Magicka and OP in the same sentence xD

Van_0S

Kas wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Stronk was a typing error by @Master_Kas , when he was an empress in EP faction.

no, stronk is kind of an internet meme and has been for many years.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stronk

Master_Kas

olsborg wrote: »

radiant destruction should not scale from 50% an d down, 30% would be much better

Agreed. Tough they would still beam you since they do it at 100% hp.

Master_Kas

Van_0S wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Stronk was a typing error by @Master_Kas , when he was an empress in EP faction.

Stronk has been used way before me. No h8 m8

Pact is stronk!

sluice

Master_Kas wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

radiant destruction should not scale from 50% an d down, 30% would be much better

Agreed. Tough they would still beam you since they do it at 100% hp.

I think it's fine at 50%.

1-It scales from 50%. It barely does any damage over 40% health.
2- You are ridiculously vulnerable, compared to other execute, it needs some kind of advantage. (scaling from 50%, being undodgeable)

You are so vulnerable with RD, that I strongly suggest using Radiant Glory over Radiant Destruction if you are a small scale pvp player.

KoreanAwtamatic

https://youtu.be/f-JXCCTiAHM

No malubeth, I'm not strong I'm just unkillable

Makkir

99 badplars in Cyrodiil, 99 radiant badplars
Knock one down for not stacking on crown
98 badplars in Cyrodiil...

RebornV3x

Magicka Templars are really nice probably my second favorite class I just destroy people in PVP with my Templar its brutal and people think Sorcs were OP or NBs yeah its nice.

Van_0S

Master_Kas wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Stronk was a typing error by @Master_Kas , when he was an empress in EP faction.

Stronk has been used way before me. No h8 m8

Pact is stronk!

@Master_Kas

Yea! I did a research on that word and it exists!!.
Also,I did manage to defeat you and your band of traitors in that brainless banana squad group!( EP and DC worst nightmare!!!)
I also wanted to see "how stronk you where" and I got my answer! ( your stronk and it was a good fight!)

Azurethe

Dark Flare OP in PvP?

The skill hits very hard, but it has to be one of the hardest things to land on someone in the game imo

"whatever the stabby stabby move is it's completely broken, I believe it's Puncturing Sweep - what is broken is that it will hit you no matter what even if you are at a different keep."

Whats actually broken about this skill to you? It looks like a completely troll comment so if there is actually something "overpowered" about sweeps I would love to know. To me its around the same power as Dizzying Swing, DS being a lot more bursty and sweeps being more sustain pressure. The snare that was put on it made it a little harder to counter by just moving around the player, but with shuffle that isn't a problem, so it just takes skill to counter but possible

Putting Malubeth on pretty much any class makes it overpowered, because its an overpowered item, not just the class

IMO there are a lot of misconceptions about magplars being overpowered in PvP, besides all the QQ about Breath of Life, which was not mentioned in this thread. If you actually played one and didn't go on the forums to make a thread about how OP they are, your opinion may be a bit different

Please leave a response, I would love to hear your opinion on what I have said

Master_Kas

Van_0S wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

Is stronk a new word designating something. I checked urban dictionary and can not post what found there.

Stronk was a typing error by @Master_Kas , when he was an empress in EP faction.

Stronk has been used way before me. No h8 m8

Pact is stronk!

@Master_Kas

Yea! I did a research on that word and it exists!!.
Also,I did manage to defeat you and your band of traitors in that brainless banana squad group!( EP and DC worst nightmare!!!)
I also wanted to see "how stronk you where" and I got my answer! ( your stronk and it was a good fight!)

Who are you in game? Name does not seem familiar xD

Lexxypwns

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Breath of life: While this is a VERY strong heal, there are plenty of heal debuffs available and you can always time your burst combo properly to eliminate any chance of them healing. Also, a templar turtling and spamming breath of life isn't gonna kill you.

I like this argument. Everyone and their mother uses it and just ignores the implications.
Yes, they can kill you. They have solid dps moves and a bit burst and only need to bring you to 50% health. Spamming heals negates your offense and is even more efficient, draining your resources. And while they live through everything you're throwing at them, they might build up that fatal ultimate.
That's 1v1.
But, if you're not living under a stone in Cyro, you should be well-aware how painful fighting a zerg already is. Healing through everything, while also healing allies just contributes to this big problem with zergs we've been experiencing since... ever. While you're busy hacking on that templar who just shrugs you off, his buddies are bound to arrive and 1vX you to death. I know it happens all the time, you know it happens all the time, Wroebel and ZOS know it happens all the time. Don't defend this bull, buddy.
Would healing not be this strong, you could actually kill a zergling, pause shortly and go for the next. But as it stands, zergs only need to keep you busy. Until all members have arrived and just crush you.
It's a big problem, and it is well-exploited in Cyro, every single day.

Lol, stop. I main a mag DK, arguably the second worst class(behind mag sorc) to try to burst a Templar with and I have 0 problems killing a Templar that wants to turtle and heal

Cinbri

Before every pts someone creating threads about "templars OP". I starting to be suspicious about it.

a1i3nz

Nerf Jesus beam so us good Templars don't have our reps sullied by crappy spammers. Make it just an execute again.

I main a magplar and get killed by a Jesus beam almost every time a zerg approaches now. Gotta purify every 2 seconds.

Mayrael

Heh... Magica to strong suuuure. The most squishy armor that gives less buffs than medium, less spell dmg to stack, less penetration (20% of blunt weapons > light armor passive), no class or race resistances to physical as breton or temp&dk has to spell dmg, weapon skills triggering enchants/poisons, smoother animation cancel...mhm... Yesterday I was wrecked on my "unkillable" magplar by stamplar. Usualy i get hits arround 3,5k-4k (26k armor +8 % less dmg from rune, 7 impen, 22% physical ress from hardy and 10% crit damage reduction also from cp) but he was hittin me with 7k dyzing swings + 2k jabs and me? Like 2k aurora javelin at full distance with 2,6k spell damage and 31k magica full cp into spell dmg rest in penetration, with sharpened staff (i know these numbers arent big but im a tank, well i used to thing but when i was wrecked like i would wear no armor im not so sure anymore)... If you say magica is op, go to cyrodiil and see how many magica users is there? TBH only magplars left and few hardcore sorcs... Yeah lets nerf magplar so we all will run stamina, why not? Im not saying magica classes cant do well in pvp but stamina ones do better so why even try?

cokris

I'm finding myself laughing while reading that Magicka Templars are OP due to their heals. Especially after the nerf 2 dlcs ago where bol became more or less useless and you can pick up a restostaff as any class and heal better in a group than me, while I am suppose to be the healing class.
Can we be tanky and put out decent heals at the same time? Yes.
Can we selfsustain for some time, kill some enemies and be annoying as ***? Yes.
Can we selfsustain, cleanse and keep a raid alive on our own as we used to back in the days? No.

While you guys tell me how op my nerfed healing class is, I'll sit over here and be annoyed about the fact that I need to pick up a restostaff to be the most efficient as a heal in a raid, and hope that you guys might see this when you're out in field. Cause it's that *** weapon keeping zergs alive, not the healing of templars.

Edit: No, I'm not saying that we are useless as a class etc. I just hate the fact that a restostaff is needed when healing groups nowadays, at least if you want to do it the most efficient way there is.

Francescolg

99,99% of this nurf-Templar threads are edited by people who do not understand that in ESO PvP heal-debuffs are a necessity and, if possible, not only disease damage on weapon! (heal debuff nurf from last year).

Most Templar builds that seem OP are either strong mitigation/block/sta-builds, or they practice good team play (you will find much less solo-Templar stuff, 1vx), not to the class itself. Because anyone, with a little knowledge about Templars, knowns well how easily the class can be INTERRUPTED or even trapped :-( (no other class has so many channeled, casted skills! Magicka Templars will cry if you spam crushing shock, venom arrow or simply right click-left click..)

No further comment..

Orchish

Remove radiant destruction from the game. Replace with a f*** you emote.

sluice

Nerf me already!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=do0V8SAyDFs

KoreanAwtamatic

Lol I just realized your part of the AD we battle in the tower at ASH haha. That was a crazy battle with both of us getting hit by siege. https://youtu.be/f-JXCCTiAHM


-KoreanZombie636

a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »

Nerf Jesus beam so us good Templars don't have our reps sullied by crappy spammers. Make it just an execute again.

I main a magplar and get killed by a Jesus beam almost every time a zerg approaches now. Gotta purify every 2 seconds.