Winning a Campaign

JDar

Wiining a campaign and holding Elder Scrolls are meaningless. The benefits for winning a campaign while holding the Elder Scrolls pale in comparison to the individual rewards people get from getting tons of AP. They get top of the leaderboard, they get to sell AP loot (what little there is that compares well to PvP loot), and they get higher alliance ranks.

You can farm a bunch of AP on a campaign where your faction is hopelessly outnumbered by zerglings. That is dumb. We all know the people who do this and have high alliance ranks. Meanwhile people who like to play on balanced campaigns and play solo while also playing the alliance war get little reward.

Let's stop this. Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day while also making accounts faction-bound. With One Tamriel coming up, there is no reason not to.

Give spoils to the victors, not just the selfish AP hogs. Make PvP a team game again. Make the Elder Scrolls worth something. Isn't that what this game is about? Nobody cares about them except to farm AP?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler #changetherules

JDar

Make that 2 million AP and gold. Raise the stakes for winning a campaign and the game will be better for it. Be bold Brian. I get that we want everyone to get a participation trophy, every scrub that participates gets the same reward, but is the game better for it? Please stop with the everyone gets a trophy mentality. Make winning a campaign more important than tower farming and fooling pugs into chasing you into choke points. The game will be better.

Roechacca

You want campaigns to mean something again for a faction? I feel for you but that boat long sailed after Wheels went ahead and lifted campaign restrictions. I don't even think he's looked in the rear view mirror since.

JDar

Make that 5 million gold/AP for the winning faction, and 1m gold in bounty for the losing faction.

Remember buff campaigns? Well my idea is like that except it has teeth. Make losing a campaign painful. Remember how proud we were to win Wabbajack back in the day? That's gone. Bring back the magic.

Jules

JDar wrote: »

Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day

Sure.

JDar wrote: »

while also making accounts faction-bound.

Never going to happen, and never should.

bitaken

Betting the OP plays AD.

Chilo

JDar wrote: »

Make that 5 million gold/AP for the winning faction, and 1m gold in bounty for the losing faction.

That's unreasonably high and most likely will not happen due to re-rolls and everyone would probably just pile onto the winning faction making it more zergball/laggy..

Turelus

The only reason to even fight for a win is epeen. It's never been something worth fighting for reward wise.

Also I really don't like the idea of monetary rewards to drive people to win, then it's just about farming for items/gold/AP rather than fighting to win for you faction.

Not sure what they can really add to drive that though.

PhatGrimReaper

bitaken wrote: »

Betting the OP plays AD.

He's DC

Chilo

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Betting the OP plays AD.

He's DC

He used to be AD.

Esgameplaya1

Looks like the overpopulated overzealus mega zerg faction is trying so hard to win this one.


Ep should take their whole faction zerg to the other 3 keeps one at a time and get emp!! Cause that's how its done now!!

ataggs

What was up with EP last night? They had every guild stacked with each other and look outs at every keep. We couldn't sneeze in a field and not get swarmed. Quite a one day comeback.

vamp_emily

Let me guess you guys must be from Trueflame?

I've been hearing some silly suggestions come from the players in that campaign.

*rolls my eyes*
Oh ya, lets give more AP to the players that just like to flip to the winning side. Nice suggestion!

Ghostbane

And everyone who is runner up gets a Sundae.

Zheg

vamp_emily wrote: »

Let me guess you guys must be from Trueflame?

I've been hearing some silly suggestions come from the players in that campaign.

*rolls my eyes*
Oh ya, lets give more AP to the players that just like to flip to the winning side. Nice suggestion!

I'm picturing you rocking yourself in a corner with a helmet made from aluminum foil staring at a cork-board filled with newspaper clippings of conspiracy theories.

My favorite is when certain people that post FTC recaps after every fight they lose and chalk up every loss to 'stacking' embed themselves in 3 raids of pact militia to fight at the one objective the zerg has decided to trample to.

We went over 3 hours with not a single sword popping on the map between ales and bleaks, with all of blue and all of red stacked in one festering zerg and still held our stuff, even with all of the moronic nerfs we've gotten between the TG and DB patch. I'm pretty happy about that. Nothing anyone can do after looking at that map and the time. What a well earned campaign win

Nilmot

Prorate the reward based on percentage of time spent on winning side, or disable it for people who switch alliance mid campaign, or lock reward eligibility during final week. Plenty of solutions to address people swapping just for the reward.

Hektik_V

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

vamp_emily

Zheg wrote: »

I'm picturing you rocking yourself in a corner with a helmet made from aluminum foil staring at a cork-board filled with newspaper clippings of conspiracy theories.

Oh it's you again.

Your post was pretty funny, made me laugh, kind of like some of your other suggestions you made around here.

Rohamad_Ali

Is this the thread we make fun of each other on True Flame ? I've got some notes saved up here somewhere ..

NACtron

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this the thread we make fun of each other on True Flame ? I've got some notes saved up here somewhere ..

Don't all forum posts on the Allaince War devolve into this if they go on to long?

I always have some special popcorn with a lot of salt saved up for these occasions.

Rohamad_Ali

NACtron wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this the thread we make fun of each other on True Flame ? I've got some notes saved up here somewhere ..

Don't all forum posts on the Allaince War devolve into this if they go on to long?

I always have some special popcorn with a lot of salt saved up for these occasions.

Why yes , yes you're right !

Not sure if I should start in alphabetical order or just wing it .

PREFACE

AD-lol
EP-LOL
DC-WTF ?!

To be continued ...

Recremen

Nope nope nope, no faction-based accounts. Not ever.

Junipus

JDar wrote: »

Wiining a campaign and holding Elder Scrolls are meaningless. The benefits for winning a campaign while holding the Elder Scrolls pale in comparison to the individual rewards people get from getting tons of AP. They get top of the leaderboard, they get to sell AP loot (what little there is that compares well to PvP loot), and they get higher alliance ranks.

You can farm a bunch of AP on a campaign where your faction is hopelessly outnumbered by zerglings. That is dumb. We all know the people who do this and have high alliance ranks. Meanwhile people who like to play on balanced campaigns and play solo while also playing the alliance war get little reward.

Let's stop this. Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day while also making accounts faction-bound. With One Tamriel coming up, there is no reason not to.

Give spoils to the victors, not just the selfish AP hogs. Make PvP a team game again. Make the Elder Scrolls worth something. Isn't that what this game is about? Nobody cares about them except to farm AP?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler #changetherules

You know that end of campaign rewards scale from your campaign ranking right? Giving everyone a random number gold and AP on the winning side won't mean *** if they happen to be on that winning side but still farming regardless. Just because some players farm others for AP doesn't mean they'll lose out, especially since they can easily gain a million or two AP in the course of a month from farming zerglings. Adding in an exorbitant amount of gold to the mix as well will completely decimate the economy and lead to ridiculous inflation within the game, which never ends up well.

frozywozy

JDar wrote: »

Wiining a campaign and holding Elder Scrolls are meaningless. The benefits for winning a campaign while holding the Elder Scrolls pale in comparison to the individual rewards people get from getting tons of AP. They get top of the leaderboard, they get to sell AP loot (what little there is that compares well to PvP loot), and they get higher alliance ranks.

You can farm a bunch of AP on a campaign where your faction is hopelessly outnumbered by zerglings. That is dumb. We all know the people who do this and have high alliance ranks. Meanwhile people who like to play on balanced campaigns and play solo while also playing the alliance war get little reward.

Let's stop this. Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day while also making accounts faction-bound. With One Tamriel coming up, there is no reason not to.

Give spoils to the victors, not just the selfish AP hogs. Make PvP a team game again. Make the Elder Scrolls worth something. Isn't that what this game is about? Nobody cares about them except to farm AP?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler #changetherules

You know someone has been worthless to its faction by the amount of APs he's got. I've been under 500k APs for almost 2years. Recently passed over one million and that all the way to rank 49. Been using all of it in siege weaponry to capture objectives and contribute to my faction to win the war. Sold only one item with AP worth 250k.

Lot of people nowadays brag that they are sitting at 20millions APS+. Just make me laugh really!

_Chaos

frozywozy wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wiining a campaign and holding Elder Scrolls are meaningless. The benefits for winning a campaign while holding the Elder Scrolls pale in comparison to the individual rewards people get from getting tons of AP. They get top of the leaderboard, they get to sell AP loot (what little there is that compares well to PvP loot), and they get higher alliance ranks.

You can farm a bunch of AP on a campaign where your faction is hopelessly outnumbered by zerglings. That is dumb. We all know the people who do this and have high alliance ranks. Meanwhile people who like to play on balanced campaigns and play solo while also playing the alliance war get little reward.

Let's stop this. Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day while also making accounts faction-bound. With One Tamriel coming up, there is no reason not to.

Give spoils to the victors, not just the selfish AP hogs. Make PvP a team game again. Make the Elder Scrolls worth something. Isn't that what this game is about? Nobody cares about them except to farm AP?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler #changetherules

You know someone has been worthless to its faction by the amount of APs he's got. I've been under 500k APs for almost 2years. Recently passed over one million and that all the way to rank 49. Been using all of it in siege weaponry to capture objectives and contribute to my faction to win the war. Sold only one item with AP worth 250k.

Lot of people nowadays brag that they are sitting at 20millions APS+. Just make me laugh really!

I've got 20m+ AP and use anywhere from 10-20 trebs a night, a couple of fire ballista, as well as a camp here and there.
Da fahq are you talking about man

Skitttles

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Is this the thread we make fun of each other on True Flame ? I've got some notes saved up here somewhere ..

Haderus kidz rool, TF kidz drool.

Astanphaeus

_Chaos wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wiining a campaign and holding Elder Scrolls are meaningless. The benefits for winning a campaign while holding the Elder Scrolls pale in comparison to the individual rewards people get from getting tons of AP. They get top of the leaderboard, they get to sell AP loot (what little there is that compares well to PvP loot), and they get higher alliance ranks.

You can farm a bunch of AP on a campaign where your faction is hopelessly outnumbered by zerglings. That is dumb. We all know the people who do this and have high alliance ranks. Meanwhile people who like to play on balanced campaigns and play solo while also playing the alliance war get little reward.

Let's stop this. Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day while also making accounts faction-bound. With One Tamriel coming up, there is no reason not to.

Give spoils to the victors, not just the selfish AP hogs. Make PvP a team game again. Make the Elder Scrolls worth something. Isn't that what this game is about? Nobody cares about them except to farm AP?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler #changetherules

You know someone has been worthless to its faction by the amount of APs he's got. I've been under 500k APs for almost 2years. Recently passed over one million and that all the way to rank 49. Been using all of it in siege weaponry to capture objectives and contribute to my faction to win the war. Sold only one item with AP worth 250k.

Lot of people nowadays brag that they are sitting at 20millions APS+. Just make me laugh really!

I've got 20m+ AP and use anywhere from 10-20 trebs a night, a couple of fire ballista, as well as a camp here and there.
Da fahq are you talking about man

Only 10-20 trebs, what a joke.

Defilted

Not that this is really possible in the current state of PVP becasue of lag.

The best thing for PVP would be as a competition would be one campaign and not multiple campaigns. Bring a zone that is only is unlocked when you are the majority keep or scrolls holder. This zone could have all kinds of goodies and fun things to get or do.

Some of this might sound familiar becasue it has already been done by the same company in a earlier game they designed and ran. DAOC.

You had to participate in PVP all the time DAOC if you wanted in this zone and it was so fun. I am not a hard core PVPer by any means, but PVP is fun. This made the PVP map mean something because you wanted in that content for the drops and other activities the zone had. It made you check in and defend keeps becasue you did not want to have to take them all over again. I thought it was a great PVP experience. Sure it had it negatives, but I would take that environment over this one any day of the week.

If there is always another campaign to go to, then believe me a person most of the time will choose the easiest path to victory and not stick it out and beat back the enemy. As long as there is a buff campaign to run to, then this will always be the case.

There needs to be a immediate reward for being the current winner/stake holder on the PVP map. Not waiting 30 days or 7 days (there can be an additional reward for this). Faction owns all the keeps/Scrolls or whatever the rules are and now I have instant access to get into the great content with awesome drops and fun bosses to smash. I have to be able to organize and get int there quickly becasue you know the other factions are hitting the keeps and taking them from the few people that stay behind to slow them down.

DAOC to me was way better at PVP and keeping it fun and I have never understood why the same group of people is not using some of what they already know.

Rohamad_Ali

_Chaos wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Wiining a campaign and holding Elder Scrolls are meaningless. The benefits for winning a campaign while holding the Elder Scrolls pale in comparison to the individual rewards people get from getting tons of AP. They get top of the leaderboard, they get to sell AP loot (what little there is that compares well to PvP loot), and they get higher alliance ranks.

You can farm a bunch of AP on a campaign where your faction is hopelessly outnumbered by zerglings. That is dumb. We all know the people who do this and have high alliance ranks. Meanwhile people who like to play on balanced campaigns and play solo while also playing the alliance war get little reward.

Let's stop this. Give a million AP and gold to everyone who has a toon on the winning side in a 30-day while also making accounts faction-bound. With One Tamriel coming up, there is no reason not to.

Give spoils to the victors, not just the selfish AP hogs. Make PvP a team game again. Make the Elder Scrolls worth something. Isn't that what this game is about? Nobody cares about them except to farm AP?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler #changetherules

You know someone has been worthless to its faction by the amount of APs he's got. I've been under 500k APs for almost 2years. Recently passed over one million and that all the way to rank 49. Been using all of it in siege weaponry to capture objectives and contribute to my faction to win the war. Sold only one item with AP worth 250k.

Lot of people nowadays brag that they are sitting at 20millions APS+. Just make me laugh really!

I've got 20m+ AP and use anywhere from 10-20 trebs a night, a couple of fire ballista, as well as a camp here and there.
Da fahq are you talking about man

<whisper> shhh He's got AP envy

Nilmot

Defilted wrote: »

Not that this is really possible in the current state of PVP becasue of lag.

The best thing for PVP would be as a competition would be one campaign and not multiple campaigns. Bring a zone that is only is unlocked when you are the majority keep or scrolls holder. This zone could have all kinds of goodies and fun things to get or do.

Some of this might sound familiar becasue it has already been done by the same company in a earlier game they designed and ran. DAOC.

You had to participate in PVP all the time DAOC if you wanted in this zone and it was so fun. I am not a hard core PVPer by any means, but PVP is fun. This made the PVP map mean something because you wanted in that content for the drops and other activities the zone had. It made you check in and defend keeps becasue you did not want to have to take them all over again. I thought it was a great PVP experience. Sure it had it negatives, but I would take that environment over this one any day of the week.

If there is always another campaign to go to, then believe me a person most of the time will choose the easiest path to victory and not stick it out and beat back the enemy. As long as there is a buff campaign to run to, then this will always be the case.

There needs to be a immediate reward for being the current winner/stake holder on the PVP map. Not waiting 30 days or 7 days (there can be an additional reward for this). Faction owns all the keeps/Scrolls or whatever the rules are and now I have instant access to get into the great content with awesome drops and fun bosses to smash. I have to be able to organize and get int there quickly becasue you know the other factions are hitting the keeps and taking them from the few people that stay behind to slow them down.

DAOC to me was way better at PVP and keeping it fun and I have never understood why the same group of people is not using some of what they already know.

I was really hoping that IC was going to be the new Darkness Falls. Seemed like such a natural parallel, and makes logical sense that controlling the battlefield would grant access. Le sigh.

Defilted

Yes that would have been nice to see the darkness falls type instance for ESO. Would be so easy with the realms of oblivion to pull off.