Winning a Campaign

Icy

Nilmot wrote: »

I was really hoping that IC was going to be the new Darkness Falls. Seemed like such a natural parallel, and makes logical sense that controlling the battlefield would grant access. Le sigh.

I think that failed for a couple of reasons.
1. Multiple campaigns - as above, people could jump out and go farm IC where there are less people
2. Paid DLC - if this area had been free with the game, they could have locked it off subject to controlling home keeps to open the doors (or what ever). Because people paid extra to get it, it seems unfair to say, no your faction isn't winning, you can't play here.

PosternHouse

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

Rohamad_Ali

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

Rohamad_Ali

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

Rohamad_Ali

DC has so many people come and try to help and then leave in frustration . It always leaves the faction in bits divided . You can only fracture a low pop faction so much until the drive to be competitive is all but washed away . For the first time I'm seeing loyalists just leave the faction now . People that never rolled another faction ever . That's how tired DC players are now . I know 2 guilds that came back and left the game all together again within 30 days of seeing the same non sense over and over in PvP .

I'm beginning to think the select few that still hold out with Us to this day are just fanatical and enjoy the abuse of war on the losing end . Like a crazy select bunch of special ed forces or something ...

Satiar

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

DC has so many people come and try to help and then leave in frustration . It always leaves the faction in bits divided . You can only fracture a low pop faction so much until the drive to be competitive is all but washed away . For the first time I'm seeing loyalists just leave the faction now . People that never rolled another faction ever . That's how tired DC players are now . I know 2 guilds that came back and left the game all together again within 30 days of seeing the same non sense over and over in PvP .

I'm beginning to think the select few that still hold out with Us to this day are just fanatical and enjoy the abuse of war on the losing end . Like a crazy select bunch of special ed forces or something ...

I mean, rerolling there was intersting. There's still people there that simply wont work with you or have anything to do with you if you arent original DC. It's an unwelcoming environment, might have something to do with the low pop.

pcar944

DC needs direction and more organization

sat all weekend, pocked at Roe and Ash, and literally full raid of AD would come out just to take a resource back - that just isn't fun at all

same thing going to EP side

you guys are basically forcing people to forge HUGE zergs, then go to forums and complain about zergs and zerglings and the lag in PVP

are you guys literally sitting at these keeps just waiting for something to light up on the map? I really don't get it, how are you having ANY fun doing that

and DC has his huge thing for going after EP, even though EP was in 3rd place and had NOTHING to do with winning the campaign - AD held our scroll, and AD had Emp, why does DC keep going to Chal? no idea

you are right, its tiresome, another campaign like this and I'm re-rolling a toon into AD and EP, because playing on DC side is just insanely frustrating

pcar944

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

not true at all, people tried to go South and it just didn't happen

2 bar vs pop locked, and who knows where those 1.5 bars of DC are

I see the same people playing every day, same people trying to do something, go for keep - just not happening

got your group of 10, maybe 15 people? mostly pugs? trying to siege? here come 2 AD/EP raids to wipe you off the face of the map with their HIGH ranks, not pugs - pretty much just pub stomping

in the end, people just sit on the wall, and try to protect what they have, its frustrating

sat all weekend staring at AD/Ash, DC keeps going to Chalamo - nobody listens - nobody playing to win the campaign, just come in and farm AP with mutagen to buy the monster item

Rohamad_Ali

pcar944 wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

not true at all, people tried to go South and it just didn't happen

2 bar vs pop locked, and who knows where those 1.5 bars of DC are

I see the same people playing every day, same people trying to do something, go for keep - just not happening

got your group of 10, maybe 15 people? mostly pugs? trying to siege? here come 2 AD/EP raids to wipe you off the face of the map with their HIGH ranks, not pugs - pretty much just pub stomping

in the end, people just sit on the wall, and try to protect what they have, its frustrating

sat all weekend staring at AD/Ash, DC keeps going to Chalamo - nobody listens - nobody playing to win the campaign, just come in and farm AP with mutagen to buy the monster item

I think we got signals crossed . I'm not saying nobody tries . I'm saying there's no momentum from the unorganized to even assist any small to mid sized groups giving it an effort . An even you said it yourself . Your ready to jump ship too on DC . I don't blame you at all . It's happening all around us now ...

Telel

Khajiit has a saying they use often to describe their reason for trying to win a campaign.

"if one is not playing to win the campaign (with your faction)4 then you're just playing with yourself."

After all if all Telel wanted to do was prove how 'got gud' khajiit was by racking up personal achievements this one could do any manner of activities that don't involve dozens or hundreds of other people this one should be cooperating with. Things done in a dimly lit room without to many others about to witness potential failures.

It also seems odd to Telel that one would go somewhere where the point of the thing is to do a thing that gets everyone things , only to then do another thing that's counter to accomplishing the one thing that that thing is there for.

This one does not go off to kill elves in the name of political stability (Razum-dar said to) only to then run off to set orphanages on fire. No, this one finds the meaner elves and sets them on fire. Possibly after mauling and eating one of their leaders in a dramatic encounter.

It also ends in fewer people refusing to give khajiit more moon sugar brownies and permission to kill more elves.

Telel

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

This one suggests you check out Telel's twitch archives from the last few days. Just..turn off the volume because Khajiit has been having a serious case of elf face due to illness and frantically trying to teach new players the basics of fighting prox-blobs.

Aside from the rather...efficient tactic..the pacters have taken of posting sentries in every keep to give their 'small man' group time to rush to a defense there's also been the issue of DC groups showing up just ahead of or to the side of the pacters when they begin to gain momentum.

Then as all the EP and AD in the entire universe of evar once more fight over the most useless bridge on Nirn there always seems to be a sizeable blooper contingent attacking fare or brindle. Sometimes Blood Mayne too if they really want to make khajiit grind their fangs.

This means that until Vehemence shows up in the evening most of the Dumbminion is just helping level up pact players. That leaves a relative handful of us to try and give an elf about the map, and it often feels like the best we can do is hold the line as we rush from one double teamed keep to the next.

However rather than be very open about blaming team purple knobs for their balding fur Telel is going to mostly blame a lot of this on the selfishness of the average gamer.

Most just wish to be spoon fed free points and refuse to learn the basics, help others, or even spend the few poitns that'd insure they get more points in return. They also refuse to lead groups, even as they make demand after demand of the people trying to keep a grip on things.

Rohamad_Ali

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

This one suggests you check out Telel's twitch archives from the last few days. Just..turn off the volume because Khajiit has been having a serious case of elf face due to illness and frantically trying to teach new players the basics of fighting prox-blobs.

Aside from the rather...efficient tactic..the pacters have taken of posting sentries in every keep to give their 'small man' group time to rush to a defense there's also been the issue of DC groups showing up just ahead of or to the side of the pacters when they begin to gain momentum.

Then as all the EP and AD in the entire universe of evar once more fight over the most useless bridge on Nirn there always seems to be a sizeable blooper contingent attacking fare or brindle. Sometimes Blood Mayne too if they really want to make khajiit grind their fangs.

This means that until Vehemence shows up in the evening most of the Dumbminion is just helping level up pact players. That leaves a relative handful of us to try and give an elf about the map, and it often feels like the best we can do is hold the line as we rush from one double teamed keep to the next.

However rather than be very open about blaming team purple knobs for their balding fur Telel is going to mostly blame a lot of this on the selfishness of the average gamer.

Most just wish to be spoon fed free points and refuse to learn the basics, help others, or even spend the few poitns that'd insure they get more points in return. They also refuse to lead groups, even as they make demand after demand of the people trying to keep a grip on things.

If there's coercion between DC and EP ... I'm out of the loop . I get Teabagged by red and yellow , although yellow usually says hi in a whisper while red no doubt really just enjoys it . Granted I maybe PvP an hour or two around 1pm pacific time after work . But then again these days I can count on my hands how many pure DC players are left . Half of zone chat is on my ignore list because I don't feel like listening to how great other factions are ...

The score certainly doesn't reflect any coercion for DC unless it's just EP playing DC again because they're pop locked and willing to screw off in DC instead of going to another campaign . But that's just speculation and I'm too old and tired to care anymore .

I stay DC no matter how many quit . No matter how many get salty and leave . No matter the infighting and no matter the score . I'm sick like that . I'll still get kills no matter the numbers or lack of friends . I don't flip flop for greener pastures . I don't help other factions and I don't care who thinks that's silly or not . It's my play style and loyalty is my favorite flavor of KoolAid .

So if shenanigans are afoot , it's never from me or the people I play with . We'll go play some other game before all that drama .

Telel

@Roehamad_Ali This is why khajiit never said there was some vast elf faced conspiracy to be all purpley.

While obviously there are players willing to use 'grey areas' to circumvent pop caps by using alts this one is mostly just seeing a faction that suddenly finds itself in an untenable position taking advantage where they can.

Telel has been there once or twice as well when a few major AD guilds vaminosed after the release of TG, and left a gaping hole in our available players. This led to the pack moving over to Haderus from Trueflame for a few weeks.

We then moved back when it became apparent that our own side wasn't after sporting fights, and the opponents we respected politely asked us if we could od anything to balance things out. Though some of the pack, including this one, did make appearances to also help out the bloopers we're not the kind of people who go for faction re rolling.

Dumbminion fo' leaf! and all that stuff Bosmer love to hear.

Now this one hates to admit it but Telel honestly thinks it was a combination of you bloops suddenly experiencing a dramatic loss of population, and a sudden return of a lot of people to the eagle's nest of awesome that is Telel's side. Certainly it seemed DC was looking at a lock on first place up until a bit over a week ago.

Now we also have a sudden surge in the pacter ranks. With many many many of them suddenly being able to play at hours most inconvenient to the AD guilds that can match them in sheer numbers and or skill. This has actually been a surprise most amusing...but also SUPER FRUSTRATING for Telel.

Mostly because they find it hard to dodge roll through 10 newb beams, 12 prox rings, and a kabillion shards. In every fight.

Now back to you daggets.

You've still got some guilds that seem to be trying their dangdest to fight the ...not good for khajiit fight.

Blood Of Daggerfall is about on the same level as Telel's pack in many ways. They certainly seem to be at just about every fight this one and their pups have had against DC in the last month or so, and they've trounced us often enough that we consider them worth keeping an eye on.

Though they do share a guild name that's awful close to Blood Of the Pact.....

Half Life 3 confirmed?

Zheg

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

This one suggests you check out Telel's twitch archives from the last few days. Just..turn off the volume because Khajiit has been having a serious case of elf face due to illness and frantically trying to teach new players the basics of fighting prox-blobs.

Aside from the rather...efficient tactic..the pacters have taken of posting sentries in every keep to give their 'small man' group time to rush to a defense there's also been the issue of DC groups showing up just ahead of or to the side of the pacters when they begin to gain momentum.

Then as all the EP and AD in the entire universe of evar once more fight over the most useless bridge on Nirn there always seems to be a sizeable blooper contingent attacking fare or brindle. Sometimes Blood Mayne too if they really want to make khajiit grind their fangs.

This means that until Vehemence shows up in the evening most of the Dumbminion is just helping level up pact players. That leaves a relative handful of us to try and give an elf about the map, and it often feels like the best we can do is hold the line as we rush from one double teamed keep to the next.

However rather than be very open about blaming team purple knobs for their balding fur Telel is going to mostly blame a lot of this on the selfishness of the average gamer.

Most just wish to be spoon fed free points and refuse to learn the basics, help others, or even spend the few poitns that'd insure they get more points in return. They also refuse to lead groups, even as they make demand after demand of the people trying to keep a grip on things.

If there's coercion between DC and EP ... I'm out of the loop . I get Teabagged by red and yellow , although yellow usually says hi in a whisper while red no doubt really just enjoys it . Granted I maybe PvP an hour or two around 1pm pacific time after work . But then again these days I can count on my hands how many pure DC players are left . Half of zone chat is on my ignore list because I don't feel like listening to how great other factions are ...

The score certainly doesn't reflect any coercion for DC unless it's just EP playing DC again because they're pop locked and willing to screw off in DC instead of going to another campaign . But that's just speculation and I'm too old and tired to care anymore .

I stay DC no matter how many quit . No matter how many get salty and leave . No matter the infighting and no matter the score . I'm sick like that . I'll still get kills no matter the numbers or lack of friends . I don't flip flop for greener pastures . I don't help other factions and I don't care who thinks that's silly or not . It's my play style and loyalty is my favorite flavor of KoolAid .

So if shenanigans are afoot , it's never from me or the people I play with . We'll go play some other game before all that drama .

Certain blue groups have had a big ol' hankering for pushing yellow because of salt. I wasn't kidding when I said there wasn't a single sword on the ales/chal corridor for ~3 hours the other night. If blue is upset that yellow responds to defend ash/roe/brindle when it's just 1-2 taking a resource, maybe you should go push red. As soon as there isn't an organized group waiting on the ash side of the map to defend, blue will pvdoor a keep and then push as far south as possible. They had ample opportunity to grab their scroll back from red tonight but only wanted to push yellow because reasons.

As Steve said, our thoughts were that if red had to fight both blue and yellow, they couldn't do the insane stacking we were so used to seeing on the chal corridor every night last campaign. They'd have to split themselves up and actually fight on 2 fronts instead of being able to just focus blue all night long. Maybe lag would be slightly better because we wouldn't have as many fights where one side brings 60+ people. Instead the opposite happened, blue just pushes yellow, brings multiple raids while doing it, and because there's little significant pressure up north red does the same stacking. It's ludicrous. You may still see pugs pushing chalamo, but all during primetime I see your organized pvp guilds bounce from one push on yellow to the next, even if you're missing dragonclaw and ales. You should take telel up on his offer to watch his old streams, it's not like the map during primetime paints a different picture than the one I just described.

Rhandee235

From Tell
"Blood Of Daggerfall is about on the same level as Telel's pack in many ways. They certainly seem to be at just about every fight this one and their pups have had against DC in the last month or so, and they've trounced us often enough that we consider them worth keeping an eye on.

Though they do share a guild name that's awful close to Blood Of the Pact.....

Half Life 3 confirmed?[/quote]"


Telel is most kind. And his group is seen often in opposition of our mission to win the campaign for our Covenant, providing noble resistance.

BoD runs 7 nights a week, primetime - and we play to win the campaign.

I really like the new guild names on nameplates feature. It is giving me a better sense of the opponents on the battlefield - beyond just recognizing a few senior opponents and assuming that everyone there is with that enemy guild.

I won't comment on the motivations of various leaders and guilds, but the bottom line is that we have a competitive campaign, that could go right to the wire. Every night has frustrating times, and every night has something to crow about.

Tylus Mirtis

Astanphaeus

Telel wrote: »

Though they do share a guild name that's awful close to Blood Of the Pact.....

It's BloodForThePact...

Rohamad_Ali

Telel wrote: »

@Roehamad_Ali This is why khajiit never said there was some vast elf faced conspiracy to be all purpley.

While obviously there are players willing to use 'grey areas' to circumvent pop caps by using alts this one is mostly just seeing a faction that suddenly finds itself in an untenable position taking advantage where they can.

Telel has been there once or twice as well when a few major AD guilds vaminosed after the release of TG, and left a gaping hole in our available players. This led to the pack moving over to Haderus from Trueflame for a few weeks.

We then moved back when it became apparent that our own side wasn't after sporting fights, and the opponents we respected politely asked us if we could od anything to balance things out. Though some of the pack, including this one, did make appearances to also help out the bloopers we're not the kind of people who go for faction re rolling.

Dumbminion fo' leaf! and all that stuff Bosmer love to hear.

Now this one hates to admit it but Telel honestly thinks it was a combination of you bloops suddenly experiencing a dramatic loss of population, and a sudden return of a lot of people to the eagle's nest of awesome that is Telel's side. Certainly it seemed DC was looking at a lock on first place up until a bit over a week ago.

Now we also have a sudden surge in the pacter ranks. With many many many of them suddenly being able to play at hours most inconvenient to the AD guilds that can match them in sheer numbers and or skill. This has actually been a surprise most amusing...but also SUPER FRUSTRATING for Telel.

Mostly because they find it hard to dodge roll through 10 newb beams, 12 prox rings, and a kabillion shards. In every fight.

Now back to you daggets.

You've still got some guilds that seem to be trying their dangdest to fight the ...not good for khajiit fight.

Blood Of Daggerfall is about on the same level as Telel's pack in many ways. They certainly seem to be at just about every fight this one and their pups have had against DC in the last month or so, and they've trounced us often enough that we consider them worth keeping an eye on.

Though they do share a guild name that's awful close to Blood Of the Pact.....

Half Life 3 confirmed?

Like the OP said , all of this is a result of faction meaning nothing anymore ...

Rohamad_Ali

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

When I first joined the vision for PvP was spot on . If you read this thread you'll see some , not all of the consequences of changing the vision on faction . We still had these issues in the past but not at the level we are seeing today . We've been really lucky the players have been a little honorable and don't log in opposite faction toons and take scrolls back . It's not against the rules still and happens to console players more then PC now .

You like Baseball . Imagine if the best players switched from the Baltimore to New York in the 3rd inning and Baltimore had to get by on half a team the rest of the game . Would you stay an watch the game ?

booksmcread

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

DC has so many people come and try to help and then leave in frustration . It always leaves the faction in bits divided . You can only fracture a low pop faction so much until the drive to be competitive is all but washed away . For the first time I'm seeing loyalists just leave the faction now . People that never rolled another faction ever . That's how tired DC players are now . I know 2 guilds that came back and left the game all together again within 30 days of seeing the same non sense over and over in PvP .

I'm beginning to think the select few that still hold out with Us to this day are just fanatical and enjoy the abuse of war on the losing end . Like a crazy select bunch of special ed forces or something ...

I mean, rerolling there was intersting. There's still people there that simply wont work with you or have anything to do with you if you arent original DC. It's an unwelcoming environment, might have something to do with the low pop.

There are people there that won't work with you even if you've been DC since beta. It's not a welcoming environment period. Zone chat is toxic and the players hate on each other. If it weren't for the two stand-up PVP guilds I played with on DC over the past two years, I would have re-rolled or left the game a long time ago. It's hard to have faction loyalty when people just want to *** all over each other.

PrinceFabious

Telel wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

This one suggests you check out Telel's twitch archives from the last few days. Just..turn off the volume because Khajiit has been having a serious case of elf face due to illness and frantically trying to teach new players the basics of fighting prox-blobs.

Aside from the rather...efficient tactic..the pacters have taken of posting sentries in every keep to give their 'small man' group time to rush to a defense there's also been the issue of DC groups showing up just ahead of or to the side of the pacters when they begin to gain momentum.

Then as all the EP and AD in the entire universe of evar once more fight over the most useless bridge on Nirn there always seems to be a sizeable blooper contingent attacking fare or brindle. Sometimes Blood Mayne too if they really want to make khajiit grind their fangs.

This means that until Vehemence shows up in the evening most of the Dumbminion is just helping level up pact players. That leaves a relative handful of us to try and give an elf about the map, and it often feels like the best we can do is hold the line as we rush from one double teamed keep to the next.

However rather than be very open about blaming team purple knobs for their balding fur Telel is going to mostly blame a lot of this on the selfishness of the average gamer.

Most just wish to be spoon fed free points and refuse to learn the basics, help others, or even spend the few poitns that'd insure they get more points in return. They also refuse to lead groups, even as they make demand after demand of the people trying to keep a grip on things.

Oh I watched your stream. You should go ask another guild to teach you how to lead lol. AD needs help desperatley

Satiar

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AD is too weak to even capture a resource heavens to Betsy.

>whines when "zerged"
>makes lols when the beneficiary of Pact Militia (read: zerg) night/day cap

If every EP guild on TF and every DC guild on TF salt-aggroing AD is what it takes, AD deserves serious accolades. They've managed to squeak out being in the lead against two factions and 2 to 1 (at best) odds.

You've got to be joking . DC has been assaulted on all fronts and the score reflects that . DC is last to pop lock as always on a competitive campaign and still puts up a fight regardless of everyone's salt levels .

DC has focused AD to the exclusion of EP.

It is what it is, but it's kinda funny. I rerolled AD to see if having a strong Southern force would split up the EP megazerg. It probably would have worked, but DC almost entirely stopped pressuring EP at all, which is how we end up with 2 DC raids and 2 EP raids attacking Fare on three separate occasions in two weeks.

Aleswell - Chalman as quiet as I have seen it in two years of PVP lol

I watched pugs faceroll Chalman all day today or sit at bleakers waiting for a fight , completely uninterested in going south . I think this must be happening at night or something because it's not happening while we are on .

This one suggests you check out Telel's twitch archives from the last few days. Just..turn off the volume because Khajiit has been having a serious case of elf face due to illness and frantically trying to teach new players the basics of fighting prox-blobs.

Aside from the rather...efficient tactic..the pacters have taken of posting sentries in every keep to give their 'small man' group time to rush to a defense there's also been the issue of DC groups showing up just ahead of or to the side of the pacters when they begin to gain momentum.

Then as all the EP and AD in the entire universe of evar once more fight over the most useless bridge on Nirn there always seems to be a sizeable blooper contingent attacking fare or brindle. Sometimes Blood Mayne too if they really want to make khajiit grind their fangs.

This means that until Vehemence shows up in the evening most of the Dumbminion is just helping level up pact players. That leaves a relative handful of us to try and give an elf about the map, and it often feels like the best we can do is hold the line as we rush from one double teamed keep to the next.

However rather than be very open about blaming team purple knobs for their balding fur Telel is going to mostly blame a lot of this on the selfishness of the average gamer.

Most just wish to be spoon fed free points and refuse to learn the basics, help others, or even spend the few poitns that'd insure they get more points in return. They also refuse to lead groups, even as they make demand after demand of the people trying to keep a grip on things.

Oh I watched your stream. You should go ask another guild to teach you how to lead lol. AD needs help desperatley

Say what you will for Telel, he leads groups on a competitive server regardless of the difficulty of that task, which is more than I can say for you.

Telel

Maybe this one could take lessons from certain people on hiding behind doors and using a dozen friends to kill new players as they walk through them. Certainly this does seem to be the height of skill for some people who are quite proud of themselves.

But then Telel would have to take time out of their schedule on going up against the best the other factions have to offer with little more than a grab bag of players and their own incompetence.

A grab bag that wins often enough that some people must be quite the spreadable fruit paste on the matter.