Best way for Magicka NB self heal

Lord_Eomer

Stamina have vigor, magicka NB lacks healing especially in PVP

Why use Restro if other classes/stamina builds can heal using Vigor or Class skills..

Runs

Refreshing Path, Sap Essence, Funnel Health?

Wing

really?

all Maicka NB go to damage abilities have healing on them?

single target: swallow soul
pbaoe: sap
path: refreshing path (good when paired with wall of elements as well.)

on top of that resto heals, and on top of that the new light armor shield.


if your not able to heal as a magicka NB the fault lay with you.

(magicka NB for years, main pvp character as well)

Lord_Eomer

SAP or Funnel barely hit good in pvp

I tried my luck in PVP it's not good healing as Surge for sorcerers or green blood/ vigor

Funnel is no longer going for critical heal + it was good in PVE end trials but now it's no longer very good..Templar spears owns healing anyway..

Funnel healing is also very slow for pvp

code65536

LOL. If you're not healing as a magblade, then you need to L2P.

Azor_Ahaii

You have healing ward which is a resto staff skill.

Lord_Eomer

I have great magicka NB but yes I lack now good heal in PVP...

Lord_Eomer

Runs wrote: »

Refreshing Path, Sap Essence, Funnel Health?

Refreshing path slow and Sap essence good for pve

Lord_Eomer

code65536 wrote: »

LOL. If you're not healing as a magblade, then you need to L2P.

Lol, I am 600 CP.. try fighting some good Templar in PVP and u will see healing issue

They are good with cloak only..stamina is too much buff in PVP and Magicka nerf

Lord_Eomer

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

You have healing ward which is a resto staff skill.

No restro, Want to use destro + dual wield

Why vigor is not expanding stamina or magicka?

Assault skills are mostly Stamina focused only, have Detonation magicka skills which is also nerf..

Azor_Ahaii

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

You have healing ward which is a resto staff skill.

No restro, Want to use destro + dual wield

Why vigor is not expanding stamina or magicka?

Assault skills are mostly Stamina focused only, have Detonation magicka skills which is also nerf..

Well there's your problem, every mageblade uses a resto on their backbar in pvp. Healing ward is a must for magicka nbs.

Lord_Eomer

I have 45k Magicka poll and 1700 recovery,

Never felt to use retro..it will change my build..

Azor_Ahaii

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I have 45k Magicka poll and 1700 recovery,

Never felt to use retro..it will change my build..

What do you need the destro for in pvp?

arkansas_ESO

Really, all you've got is Healing Ward for a burst heal. Funnel and Sap are good HOTs but they won't help when you're being pressured. Also, why go destro/DW? I can't really see anything destro offers mag NB except for weaving with funnel, and then what's the point of DW if it's on your back bar?

Wing

1v1 a decent Templar will stall out just about anyone with heals, it is a frequent source of annoyance for anyone.

any NB heal alone may not be enough, but they can combine them all at the same time, funnel, then path, then proceed to sap on the path, add in something like rapid regen on top of that and your getting constant heal back, even their go to ult heals them.

also, don't claim they have bad healing if your refusing to use a restoration staff, that's on you. that's like saying my Templar cannot heal and I don't want to use breath of life. . .

next, they are not an easy stand and fight class such as DK or Temp, if your new and don't know how they play your going to suck. don't get yourself into an overwhelming position or go into a group alone. CLOAK! your a magicka NB, spam that stuff. your heals will tick you up whilst cloaked, you can reposition and go again.

make sure you have cleanse for piercing mark, make sure to dodge roll once or twice before you cloak, make sure you fake out what direction you are going before you cloak. consider becoming a vampire so you can mist from into cloak. detect pots will probably reck you, especially if its a group after you.

another good vampire combo is to consider clouding swarm, as its about to end spam cloak, your enemies should instinctively flee from the bats and if you go strait into cloak the bats simply end and you never reappear, and as mentioned mist form into cloak works very well too.

go in and out of combat, sit on the edge poking from range to generate ultimate, then lotus fan in with a proxy up, sap, bats or soul tether, mass hysteria, then GET OUT, cloak and run while they are recovering.

Shadow image can be fantastic if you are epic and know how to use it.

repeat as required.

its you not the class, I promise. and dual wield can be okay, but resto / destro can be more flexible and synergistic, sword and board is also a replacement option that can work.

LegacyDM

magebladies have a lot of utility and decent healing but against a magicka Templar and magicka dk it is seriously lacking. Templars have twice as good healing and can output the same damage if not better. Dks are Tanky as hell and get double benefit of elemental fire damage and magicka damage + healing. Mageblades just don't output the damage to take down a dk or Templar. Swallow soul is a projectile and Is always reflected. Talons and petrify will wreck you. Sap essence doesn't do much damage to single target. If you go dots with cripple, agony, refreshing paths its lackluster at best. People just soak up dot damage. So the best one can do is try to run your opponent out of stamina using fear but once you do, you don't have the burst to take them down before their cc immunity pops up.

Don't get me wrong mageblades own against stamina nbs and are pretty even against magicka sorcs (who isn't these days) and They also are amazing in pve. But one vs one against magicka Templars and magicka dks good luck.

laksikus

Im asking myself the same thing, Why need a destro?
DW is burst, concealed, destro is for sustain funnel.
Throw down a healing ward or even light armor ward and you are full health from funnel in seconds.
It sounds like a l2p issue to me. Your cp just show how much grinding you can do

Hundrets of nightblades before you were fine with funnel or healing ward. Just you decided to be a special snowflake

Lord_Eomer

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Really, all you've got is Healing Ward for a burst heal. Funnel and Sap are good HOTs but they won't help when you're being pressured. Also, why go destro/DW? I can't really see anything destro offers mag NB except for weaving with funnel, and then what's the point of DW if it's on your back bar?

My 1st Bar: Destro

Destructive Reach, Funnel, Force Shock, Inner Light, Siphoning Attacks

My 2nd Bar: Dual Wield Sword for Max Damage

Funnel, Cloack, Lotus Fan, Cripling Essence and Inner Light

Both bars using Shotting Star

Lord_Eomer

Wing wrote: »

1v1 a decent Templar will stall out just about anyone with heals, it is a frequent source of annoyance for anyone.

any NB heal alone may not be enough, but they can combine them all at the same time, funnel, then path, then proceed to sap on the path, add in something like rapid regen on top of that and your getting constant heal back, even their go to ult heals them.

also, don't claim they have bad healing if your refusing to use a restoration staff, that's on you. that's like saying my Templar cannot heal and I don't want to use breath of life. . .

next, they are not an easy stand and fight class such as DK or Temp, if your new and don't know how they play your going to suck. don't get yourself into an overwhelming position or go into a group alone. CLOAK! your a magicka NB, spam that stuff. your heals will tick you up whilst cloaked, you can reposition and go again.

make sure you have cleanse for piercing mark, make sure to dodge roll once or twice before you cloak, make sure you fake out what direction you are going before you cloak. consider becoming a vampire so you can mist from into cloak. detect pots will probably reck you, especially if its a group after you.

another good vampire combo is to consider clouding swarm, as its about to end spam cloak, your enemies should instinctively flee from the bats and if you go strait into cloak the bats simply end and you never reappear, and as mentioned mist form into cloak works very well too.

go in and out of combat, sit on the edge poking from range to generate ultimate, then lotus fan in with a proxy up, sap, bats or soul tether, mass hysteria, then GET OUT, cloak and run while they are recovering.

Shadow image can be fantastic if you are epic and know how to use it.

repeat as required.

its you not the class, I promise. and dual wield can be okay, but resto / destro can be more flexible and synergistic, sword and board is also a replacement option that can work.

Breath of Life is class ability and not depends on weapon type so they have freedom to choose weapon.
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Not using mark, may be good for solo fights. Swarm is a good option have not tried,


+1 for this, was not trying this together..

"and out of combat, sit on the edge poking from range to generate ultimate, then lotus fan in with a proxy up, sap, bats or soul tether, mass hysteria, then GET OUT, cloak and run while they are recovering."

Lord_Eomer

LegacyDM wrote: »

magebladies have a lot of utility and decent healing but against a magicka Templar and magicka dk it is seriously lacking. Templars have twice as good healing and can output the same damage if not better. Dks are Tanky as hell and get double benefit of elemental fire damage and magicka damage + healing. Mageblades just don't output the damage to take down a dk or Templar. Swallow soul is a projectile and Is always reflected. Talons and petrify will wreck you. Sap essence doesn't do much damage to single target. If you go dots with cripple, agony, refreshing paths its lackluster at best. People just soak up dot damage. So the best one can do is try to run your opponent out of stamina using fear but once you do, you don't have the burst to take them down before their cc immunity pops up.

Don't get me wrong mageblades own against stamina nbs and are pretty even against magicka sorcs (who isn't these days) and They also are amazing in pve. But one vs one against magicka Templars and magicka dks good luck.

Hi,

Fear is good occasionally in PVP. PVE was awesome before DB. I am not sure if my CP are not applying or what...I am with 15K spell rsitance + 20% Mage Damage Reduction but still take lot of magic (was forced to use harness magicka, was not before) damage with boss especially last time while doing Crypt of Hearts..before this was not the case and Funnel + SAP Essence was awesome..

Ep1kMalware

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Stamina have vigor, magicka NB lacks healing especially in PVP

Why use Restro if other classes/stamina builds can heal using Vigor or Class skills..

uhm...... uh... all a magicanightblade is is heals. This screams l2p all over the damned place -.-.

I can drop some suggestions tho. Use major sorcery buffs, get a proper armour set and upgrade it. Increase your max magica however youd can. you can make good use from soul harvest/soul teather. What jewelru you have? How is it enchanted? A magica nightblade is a selfheal factory, if you have to complain about it, you're probab;y doing something very very wrong.

Lord_Eomer

I am running Julian 5 Piece Legendrt + 3 Willpower + 1 Kena + 1 Piece Blood Spawn

I have 45K Magica, 10 K Stamina + 25k Health in Cryodil and..600 CP

brandonv516

Unfortunately resto is just too valuable to give up, especially if you use the lich set for the bonus magicka recovery. For pvp, healing ward is the only heal I ever need other than funnel health.

Then again it has to work for your play style.

ssewallb14_ESO

Healing ward, harness, mist form, and shadow image are you main choices for dealing with burst. Anyone competent will drop you in 2 seconds if you rely on the sap abilities.

UrQuan

Wait, so this thread is basically:
"Tell me the best way for my magicka NB to self-heal, but I'm not willing to change anything about my setup"

Bashev

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

SAP or Funnel barely hit good in pvp

I tried my luck in PVP it's not good healing as Surge for sorcerers or green blood/ vigor

Funnel is no longer going for critical heal + it was good in PVE end trials but now it's no longer very good..Templar spears owns healing anyway..

Funnel healing is also very slow for pvp

Make my day. I guess that one tick from funnel is bigger than dragon blood.

LegacyDM

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Really, all you've got is Healing Ward for a burst heal. Funnel and Sap are good HOTs but they won't help when you're being pressured. Also, why go destro/DW? I can't really see anything destro offers mag NB except for weaving with funnel, and then what's the point of DW if it's on your back bar?

My 1st Bar: Destro

Destructive Reach, Funnel, Force Shock, Inner Light, Siphoning Attacks

My 2nd Bar: Dual Wield Sword for Max Damage

Funnel, Cloack, Lotus Fan, Cripling Essence and Inner Light

Both bars using Shotting Star

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

I am running Julian 5 Piece Legendrt + 3 Willpower + 1 Kena + 1 Piece Blood Spawn

I have 45K Magica, 10 K Stamina + 25k Health in Cryodil and..600 CP

First off ditch the dual wield or ditch the destro. Resto like others have said is mandatory. I prefer dual wield and resto on back bar. However, some really like destro and resto. I also like resto,resto because I can light attack weave using animation cancel with a resto. If done correctly the light attack beam will auto connect with target.

Secondly, ditch julianos for pvp. Use krags hope. You may have 45k magicka but you have no sustain. You need more magicka recovery. I find siphoning attacks too cumbersome to micro manage and it takes up a slot. Go with more regen/sustain and then you don't need to worry about siphoning.

Thirdly, your gimping yourself by spliting up your monster helms. Pick a set of one or the other. There is no reason to take the extra spell damage from Kena when you could go 4 piece Magnus with dual wield swords. Alternatively, Malubeth is a good healing choice. skoria is awesome for the dot proc chance. Kena is good if your adept enough to fire off two light attacks.

Fourthly, if your a vamp ditch the shooting star and get devouring swarm. The heals are amazing while outputting good damage. It will save your life and is a dot so it procs skoria. It's also non reflectable and costs much less.

Fifth, why are you running funnel health on both bars. Learn to bar swap. Also, no reason to use both force shock and funnel health. The cost decease of funnel and health regain is to much to ignore. Pick one ranged damage spell to spam and stick to it. Destructive reach is ok because it provides a cc but fear would be better.