@ZOS Fix Malubeth the Scourger Set

glavius

I just tried replicating the bugs with it, but can only replicate the double dipping on crits. But theres definitely something else weird going on since once in a while you get huge heals, 5k+ from a single tick, while its boosting your other heals to crazy values also...

hrothbern

A good investigation whether it is bugged and gives more heal as intended is I think needed.

But

IF in 1vs 1, somebody is using a lot of DOT's, the principle of this set is that it will proc a lot ! and the DPS per hit was low....
and IF in a 1 vs many, and IF those many deliver mediocre DPS per hit.....

So

Low DPS per enemy hit will be optimal for the Malubeth player.
The INTENTION of this set is EXACTLY to be the counter against multiple low DPS hits !!!
Nothing wrong with such a counter.

Against a Malubeth build you should use only hits that hit hard per cast.
never DOT's
and NO LA weaving

for example: hard cast your Frags etc

glavius

hrothbern wrote: »

A good investigation whether it is bugged and gives more heal as intended is I think needed.

But

IF in 1vs 1, somebody is using a lot of DOT's, the principle of this set is that it will proc a lot ! and the DPS per hit was low....
and IF in a 1 vs many, and IF those many deliver mediocre DPS per hit.....

So

Low DPS per enemy hit will be optimal for the Malubeth player.
The INTENTION of this set is EXACTLY to be the counter against multiple low DPS hits !!!
Nothing wrong with such a counter.

Against a Malubeth build you should use only hits that hit hard per cast.
never DOT's
and NO LA weaving

for example: hard cast your Frags etc

Good joke. If you do as you adviced, only a select few burst builds will be able to actually kill a malubeth wearer.
All other builds can pretty much be outhealed by vigor alone
"Hardcast fragments" Spoken like a true zerger. It's not often possible to hardcast a fragment i a real 1 vs 1 fight. Let alone if you're fighting more than one at a time....

hrothbern

glavius wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

A good investigation whether it is bugged and gives more heal as intended is I think needed.

But

IF in 1vs 1, somebody is using a lot of DOT's, the principle of this set is that it will proc a lot ! and the DPS per hit was low....
and IF in a 1 vs many, and IF those many deliver mediocre DPS per hit.....

So

Low DPS per enemy hit will be optimal for the Malubeth player.
The INTENTION of this set is EXACTLY to be the counter against multiple low DPS hits !!!
Nothing wrong with such a counter.

Against a Malubeth build you should use only hits that hit hard per cast.
never DOT's
and NO LA weaving

for example: hard cast your Frags etc

Good joke. If you do as you adviced, only a select few burst builds will be able to actually kill a malubeth wearer.
All other builds can pretty much be outhealed by vigor alone
"Hardcast fragments" Spoken like a true zerger. It's not often possible to hardcast a fragment i a real 1 vs 1 fight. Let alone if you're fighting more than one at a time....

The OP example is against many, many enemies.
I reacted primarily on that.
So being myself a zerger or not, in that situation hardcast Frag should have been done.

glavius

The thing is, it procs alot even in a 1 vs 1 fight. If thats intended, it shouldn't heal you to full everytime it does.
Either lower proc chance or lower heal value (by alot)
Even without the heal, it's pretty powerful for the +30% on all your heals. It was actually banned in last patch in the EU tournament (for dk's and templars), due to being too powerful.

Mojmir

Justice31st wrote: »

Lenikus wrote: »

It's an item for a 'solo player" to have a change against "zergs'

Working as intended, either do NOT meele people, or learn to purge the beam

^This. The beam is broken when people roll dodge away or move away. It is simply a L2P issue.

This is now a nerf radiant thread

Julianos

This is now a nerf radiant thread

Thanks for heads up yes!

ZOS should nerf that too i have a build that relies on dodge rolls and these RD ruining my entire build and play style i am full impenetrable with %15 resistant still RD hits me 14k its hits too much it has too much range and its spammable !!! As all stam dps builds they all relies on dodge roll for defense that ability ruins it everyone spamming on me while fighting others and LOS is not option everywhere this ability ruins entire stam play. NERF !!!

MaxwellC

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
That's great but we need a tone down on them heals; no random should be able to sustain an onslaught of attacks from me which sets them entirely on the defensive. Also any ETA for it to be patched for XB1; I hope it's not going to be like July or something like that.

kadar

After a few days away from Cyrodiil proper, I came back for awhile yesterday. I was literally laughing out loud at the sheer number of saps wearing Malubeths. Purple beams left and right. That moment when enemies proc purple beams on each other... Absolutely comical.

The FOTM craze in this game is real.

Docmandu

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glavius wrote: »

I just tried replicating the bugs with it, but can only replicate the double dipping on crits. But theres definitely something else weird going on since once in a while you get huge heals, 5k+ from a single tick, while its boosting your other heals to crazy values also...

Sounds like the same issue that happens with Bahra's Curse.. normally it's a fairly low heal value, but ever so often it will heal tick for 4-6k.

Lore_lai

Docmandu wrote: »

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glavius wrote: »

I just tried replicating the bugs with it, but can only replicate the double dipping on crits. But theres definitely something else weird going on since once in a while you get huge heals, 5k+ from a single tick, while its boosting your other heals to crazy values also...

Sounds like the same issue that happens with Bahra's Curse.. normally it's a fairly low heal value, but ever so often it will heal tick for 4-6k.

Like so? :
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3091746/#Comment_3091746

Electroheadz

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
That's great but we need a tone down on them heals; no random should be able to sustain an onslaught of attacks from me which sets them entirely on the defensive. Also any ETA for it to be patched for XB1; I hope it's not going to be like July or something like that.

^ That's a good example of inflated ego. People with your attitude are always first to complain. Just because you fight "some random guy" it does not mean he won't own your sorry ass. Learn some respect to others kid.

I admit that if there is a bug it has to be fixed no excuses. Simple fix idea - swap the flat 30% increase in healing for a Major Mending buff during proc. Instantly 2 of the most tanky classes will find useless (templar and dk) as they already have this buff in their arsenal and won't be able to stack them. Or go even further and swap the buff to Minor one.

I also can guarantee You the fix won't stop the "I can't burst someone down in 2 shots qq nerf please !" talk. Whiners will continue to spew salt when they loose against someone using malubeth. Not many people can admit they simply lost the battle.

Ashamray

I guess Malu will still be OP on classes with Major Mending despite bug fix.

olsborg

It should only be able to procc on direct hits, not dots aswell. The heal is too strong aswell.

Arthg

I guess we'll figure out by tonight if the set's been properly fixed.
If everyone and their dog keep wearing it - something'll still be wrong.

glavius

Not fixed, but slightly lower due to less value from crits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ-PUfOXbcg&feature=youtu.be

Julianos

glavius wrote: »

Not fixed, but slightly lower due to less value from crits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ-PUfOXbcg&feature=youtu.be

lol thats not %6 chance

Cinbri

Axorn wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Not fixed, but slightly lower due to less value from crits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ-PUfOXbcg&feature=youtu.be

lol thats not %6 chance

Shocke deal triple damage and thats why considered as 6*3=18% just like before for shuffle or scales.

Ep1kMalware

This is why we can't have nicd things. because scrubs will take to streets in forks and toeches demanding anything that kills them be OP, and removed. When they are UP, talentless, and sucking on purpose rather than discussing the armour/skills at hand to find effective countermeasures. ya'know, getgüd.

Vangy

6k weapon damage and no one bats an eye.... One dude takes longer then 30s to kill and people froth at the mouth. Yet we keep whining about wrobels instagib meta..... Gee... Wonder why....

Clarkieson

+140 tears collected

glavius

Vangy wrote: »

6k weapon damage and no one bats an eye.... One dude takes longer then 30s to kill and people froth at the mouth. Yet we keep whining about wrobels instagib meta..... Gee... Wonder why....

I havent been instakilled for a long time. I also run a sustain build with 3.4k weap dmg and do very well. Not sure what youre talking about...

Julianos

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

This is why we can't have nicd things. because scrubs will take to streets in forks and toeches demanding anything that kills them be OP, and removed. When they are UP, talentless, and sucking on purpose rather than discussing the armour/skills at hand to find effective countermeasures. ya'know, getgüd.

..or skilles players like to exploit broken mechanics and items because they can't kill or survive normal ways and they get mad because their exploit removed indeed gitgud

Mayrael

Heal of this set is to big, it shouldnt heal even from 50% to full not to mention 10% to full, I also think it shouldnt procc on dots (dot builds are already weak as you can easly cleanse or ignore dot damage - burst all the way). Well eventualy... If nothing going to happend I think its a good time to test Fasallas Guile set.

Ep1kMalware

Mayrael wrote: »

Heal of this set is to big, it shouldnt heal even from 50% to full not to mention 10% to full, I also think it shouldnt procc on dots (dot builds are already weak as you can easly cleanse or ignore dot damage - burst all the way). Well eventualy... If nothing going to happend I think its a good time to test Fasallas Guile set.

Why not? engine guardian does it >_>

Axorn wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

This is why we can't have nicd things. because scrubs will take to streets in forks and toeches demanding anything that kills them be OP, and removed. When they are UP, talentless, and sucking on purpose rather than discussing the armour/skills at hand to find effective countermeasures. ya'know, getgüd.

..or skilles players like to exploit broken mechanics and items because they can't kill or survive normal ways and they get mad because their exploit removed indeed gitgud

I'm not sure how it's an exploit, it seems to vary from mediocre to fairly powerful depending on the situation. Maybe you should try zerging if 1 build in particular is too muh burden to handle.

kylewwefan

I don't PvP much; but I saw a guy using the set last nite and he was un-kill able. Health bar didn't even drop with 10+ people wrecking blow.....whatever you got! The guy knew what he was doing for sure.

Lord_Eomer

Have you ever tried dodging?

My character may have died once due to this set..

olsborg

The fact that half of players are now running malubeth in pvp, and the fact that it proccs way too often and heals for way too much has made me not play eso-pvp the last couple of weeks. Shame. After playing in lagg and other bugs/exploits for the longest time, its time to take a hiatus from the game imo.

Averya_Teira

Zheg wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

it's a decent set that might make you have to work for a kill. so naturally we have to nerf it.

The 'decent' set is bugged and makes all of your heals bypass battle spirit while it's proc'd. Are you really trying to play off a bugged set as the usual people whining for nerfs? Really?

Are you sure your heals bypass battle spirit ? The set says healing increased by 30%. Maybe that's what you are seeing.

boldscot

So this set only works in pvp? I was testing it yesterday on the VMSA, didn't see it proc once in 2 stages.