You got rid of Attack Speed Trait for THIS?

UltimaJoe777

Emma_Overload wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Decisive > the other trait

An extra 5% attack speed on a 1-handed weapon vs a 1/5 chance to gain 1 Ultimate per attack? I must respectfully disagree.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you don't like decisive don't use it ... other players have use for it contrary to your beliefs ...

It's not about using it or not. I have Decisive Swords because my Swords were Weighted because I wanted the Attack Speed, and I still do.

If you think that Weighted trait was doing anything to make your attacks faster, I have a bottle of placebos I'd like to sell you! Sersiously, Weighted has been tested extensively, and there's a reason no DPS uses it: it does nothing of value. The only useful application ever found for this trait was with bow and Shield Breaker set, to get off a handful of light attacks a little faster than usual. It does NOTHING, however, to reduce the cooldowns that govern how quickly you can make attacks over any useful amount of time.

Just because the meta sees it that way doesn't mean everyone does you know.

Waffennacht

susmitds wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Decisive > the other trait

An extra 5% attack speed on a 1-handed weapon vs a 1/5 chance to gain 1 Ultimate per attack? I must respectfully disagree.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

If you don't like decisive don't use it ... other players have use for it contrary to your beliefs ...

It's not about using it or not. I have Decisive Swords because my Swords were Weighted because I wanted the Attack Speed, and I still do.

Weighed used to increase light attack/heavy attack speed by 10% for two items. But that is useless if you were animation channeling which most people do as you were anyway clipping the animation instantly so the decrease in its animation time was literally useless.

I literally forget there are players that don't animation cancel. Poor people

UltimaJoe777

Panth141 wrote: »

At 17% per sword, it comes out to 1 extra ultimate every three seconds.
Make of that as you will.

Unfortunately percentages don't work that fluently. The logical ratio is almost never maintained once RNGeebus steps in. For some it's better, for some it's worse, and for some it actually is that fluent.

susmitds

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...

Except a tank gets no benefit from attack speed - and yes, I do agree, decisive is really best for tanks. With these two sets we actually get ultimate from blocking and dodging attacks.

Well it's like I said I have no beef with them making an Ultimate gain trait but they made it so underwhelming and replaced a trait I actually liked using with it rather than just tack it on which would've been the best way to approach the change with it being done like this. Seems Zenimax is always putting us through the ringer somehow...

Think of this this way, on my Magicka Nightblade, I get 20 ultimate when drinking a potion, 9 ultimate per kill, 1 ultimate every couple of secs from using my Siphoning skills, 3 ultimate per second with Tava's Favor while dodging an attack which is natural due to Double Take, and 6% chance to get 15 ultimate when hit and all things on top of the natural 3 ultimate per second from LA/HA weaves. A 2H decisive weapon/ 2 DW weapons gives 33% chance to get 1 extra ultimate. On my already very high ultimate gain, the trait essentially increases my ultimate gain more than 12%.

TequilaFire

I find it amusing how many worry about upgrading to gold I have done weapons at far lower levels. lol
Then again I farm and refine a lot.

UltimaJoe777

susmitds wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

jzholloway wrote: »

Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...

Except a tank gets no benefit from attack speed - and yes, I do agree, decisive is really best for tanks. With these two sets we actually get ultimate from blocking and dodging attacks.

Well it's like I said I have no beef with them making an Ultimate gain trait but they made it so underwhelming and replaced a trait I actually liked using with it rather than just tack it on which would've been the best way to approach the change with it being done like this. Seems Zenimax is always putting us through the ringer somehow...

Think of this this way, on my Magicka Nightblade, I get 20 ultimate when drinking a potion, 9 ultimate per kill, 1 ultimate every couple of secs from using my Siphoning skills, 3 ultimate per second with Tava's Favor while dodging an attack which is natural due to Double Take, and 6% chance to get 15 ultimate when hit and all things on top of the natural 3 ultimate per second from LA/HA weaves. A 2H decisive weapon/ 2 DW weapons gives 33% chance to get 1 extra ultimate. On my already very high ultimate gain, the trait essentially increases my ultimate gain more than 12%.

I know people still find Decisive useful despite how underwhelming it is, I'm just saying we could do without that % chance is all and make it a guarantee. Just seems a good few traits are underwhelming and now so more than before... And I'm not a fan of luck-based tactics myself, mainly because I have generally bad luck lol

Luigi_Vampa

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

therrieur wrote: »

Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

Sorry, it is off topic but I'm curious. What do you mean by waiting until all styles are out? As far as I can tell they will keep adding styles until the servers are shut down. How long are you planning to wait?

Thornen

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Is that when you gain ultimate as in 1 or a batch? If on a NB you gain 20 a potion popped do you gain 20x 17% chances? A little unclear as usual.

No, it only gives you the chance when you gain ultimate, the amount gained has no effect.

For eg:
1. Nb pot gives 20 ultimate trait gives you 17% chance for +1
2. Your light attack generates ultimate over time the trait gives you 17% chance for +1 on every tick

UltimaJoe777

Typhoios wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

therrieur wrote: »

Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

Sorry, it is off topic but I'm curious. What do you mean by waiting until all styles are out? As far as I can tell they will keep adding styles until the servers are shut down. How long are you planning to wait?

They'll run out of DLCs eventually. Who knows though, I might find what I seek along the way lol

Bluepitbull13

lmaol I can't get past the gold vet 15 sword im really trying lolololol

UltimaJoe777

Bluepitbull13 wrote: »

lmaol I can't get past the gold vet 15 sword im really trying lolololol

Have fun with that

Bluepitbull13

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Bluepitbull13 wrote: »

lmaol I can't get past the gold vet 15 sword im really trying lolololol

Have fun with that

lol but yeah should be little bit more ult, only thing I can think of is that it got scaled down because NB's can generate ult so fast? <-- speculation tho

UltimaJoe777

Bluepitbull13 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Bluepitbull13 wrote: »

lmaol I can't get past the gold vet 15 sword im really trying lolololol

Have fun with that

lol but yeah should be little bit more ult, only thing I can think of is that it got scaled down because NB's can generate ult so fast? <-- speculation tho

No I'm quite certain the % chance to trigger it is what is based on weapon quality. It'll be 1 Ultimate regardless. Now if Zenimax wants to keep it at 1 Ultimate gain regardless of quality then they could at least up the % chance to proc drastically.

If you mean what it was or might've been on PTS or something though I wouldn't know lol

Wing

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Is that when you gain ultimate as in 1 or a batch? If on a NB you gain 20 a potion popped do you gain 20x 17% chances? A little unclear as usual.

someone answer this man! I want to know too.

EDIT: found answer

Danksta

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Is that when you gain ultimate as in 1 or a batch? If on a NB you gain 20 a potion popped do you gain 20x 17% chances? A little unclear as usual.

Gotta love those ESO tooltips!!

RedRoomGaming

Wait wait wait! There is another trait we have to research?

UltimaJoe777

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

Wait wait wait! There is another trait we have to research?

No Weighted changed to Decisive so if you had Weighted researched you have Decisive now instead.

RedRoomGaming

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

Wait wait wait! There is another trait we have to research?

No Weighted changed to Decisive so if you had Weighted researched you have Decisive now instead.

Thank you very much, I had palpitations for a second.

Waffennacht

Imo it would've been cool had they made it where the time for a heavy attack was reduced from approx 3 secs to approx 2 secs, prob would've been used then.