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You got rid of Attack Speed Trait for THIS?

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  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    No, really. Did you accidentally scale a v15 to gold from your inventory thinking it was a v16, and now you are stuck using it?

    Why troll? Like seriously I know tons of overcappers who use v15 stuff still. Kids these days...do anything for attention.

    You cant give someone attention and then make fun of them for seeking attention... Well you can but It makes no sense.
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    susmitds wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Decisive > the other trait

    An extra 5% attack speed on a 1-handed weapon vs a 1/5 chance to gain 1 Ultimate per attack? I must respectfully disagree.
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    If you don't like decisive don't use it ... other players have use for it contrary to your beliefs ...

    It's not about using it or not. I have Decisive Swords because my Swords were Weighted because I wanted the Attack Speed, and I still do.

    Weighed used to increase light attack/heavy attack speed by 10% for two items. But that is useless if you were animation channeling which most people do as you were anyway clipping the animation instantly so the decrease in its animation time was literally useless.

    Not at all. It still speeds up the attacks regardless if you cancel out or not. Just means you cancel out a bit sooner after all. And for Light Attacks that was where it shined.

    For my Surprise Attack-LA weaves, you literally could not see the light attack. Same goes for the heavy weave for Wrecking Blow.
  • UltimaJoe777
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    Justice31st wrote: »
    Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    The same logic would apply to upgrading it to gold.

    This lol. That is like 80+ gold tempers only to be upgraded again. Sorry, but I have been playing since beta and never seen this before. I am curious, that is all.

    Only 32 since it was 8 per weapon. If it's any consolation though I do not have enough Dreugh Wax to do the new armor I will make lol
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  • jzholloway
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    Nénlindë wrote: »
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    Actually goes nicely with certain tank builds...

    As a tank, I can assure you.. 17% chance for 1 is low.

    Are you running Tava's and Blood Spawn where you already gain ultimate like its candy? If you are, then no, 1 is not low at all because you are gaining loads of ultimate all the time (250 in less then a minute). If you are not running Tava's and Blood Spawn, but say Armor Master, then yeah, decisive isn't going to do much for you.
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  • Semner
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    I'm a bit confused about why there's even a discussion about Weighted/Decisive when Nirnhoned, Sharpened, Precise and Infused are a thing? :)
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    Of course they cannot make it a flat ultimate gain rate, that would be a equivalent of dynamic ultimate gain which was OP.
  • UltimaJoe777
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    Semner wrote: »
    I'm a bit confused about why there's even a discussion about Weighted/Decisive when Nirnhoned, Sharpened, Precise and Infused are a thing? :)

    Because despite the majority not using them they are still used.
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  • Justice31st
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    The same logic would apply to upgrading it to gold.

    This lol. That is like 80+ gold tempers only to be upgraded again. Sorry, but I have been playing since beta and never seen this before. I am curious, that is all.

    Only 32 since it was 8 per weapon. If it's any consolation though I do not have enough Dreugh Wax to do the new armor I will make lol

    Oh light armor. That at least has a higher drop rate than tempers. But damn that still is more than I have left after making another full gold gear v16 gear set. Good luck.
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    Justice31st wrote: »
    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    No, really. Did you accidentally scale a v15 to gold from your inventory thinking it was a v16, and now you are stuck using it?

    Why troll? Like seriously I know tons of overcappers who use v15 stuff still. Kids these days...do anything for attention.

    You know v16 players using v15 full gold gear?

    I play with someone who got flawless using a V1 Kena helm in well fitted. And seriously 8 tempers are not hard to come by and worthy of trying to troll. Back to the bridge please.
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    susmitds wrote: »
    Of course they cannot make it a flat ultimate gain rate, that would be a equivalent of dynamic ultimate gain which was OP.

    If it said gain 1 Ultimate per Ultimate gain on a gold weapon I would accept that instead of it being a 17% chance to do so. That just makes the trait underwhelming, especially for someone that is normally unlucky.
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  • Justice31st
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    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    No, really. Did you accidentally scale a v15 to gold from your inventory thinking it was a v16, and now you are stuck using it?

    Why troll? Like seriously I know tons of overcappers who use v15 stuff still. Kids these days...do anything for attention.

    You know v16 players using v15 full gold gear?

    I play with someone who got flawless using a V1 Kena helm in well fitted. And seriously 8 tempers are not hard to come by and worthy of trying to troll. Back to the bridge please.

    Do you even read his post, or are you just trying to be a white knight? He said it cost him 32 gold tempers troll, and doesn't have enough druegh wax to make his v16 armor set, which he could of easily traded for that 32 gold tempers and had money left over to spend.
    Edited by Justice31st on June 15, 2016 5:23PM
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    Justice31st wrote: »
    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    No, really. Did you accidentally scale a v15 to gold from your inventory thinking it was a v16, and now you are stuck using it?

    Why troll? Like seriously I know tons of overcappers who use v15 stuff still. Kids these days...do anything for attention.

    You know v16 players using v15 full gold gear?

    I play with someone who got flawless using a V1 Kena helm in well fitted. And seriously 8 tempers are not hard to come by and worthy of trying to troll. Back to the bridge please.

    Do you even read his post, or are you just trying to be a white knight? He said it cost him 32 gold tempers troll, and doesn't have enough druegh wax to make his v16 armor set, which he could of easily traded for that 32 gold tempers and had money left over to spend.

    For all 4 Swords yes and then the 56 Dreugh Wax for the Medium Armors.
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  • Justice31st
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    DRXHarbinger wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    No, really. Did you accidentally scale a v15 to gold from your inventory thinking it was a v16, and now you are stuck using it?

    Why troll? Like seriously I know tons of overcappers who use v15 stuff still. Kids these days...do anything for attention.

    You know v16 players using v15 full gold gear?

    I play with someone who got flawless using a V1 Kena helm in well fitted. And seriously 8 tempers are not hard to come by and worthy of trying to troll. Back to the bridge please.

    Do you even read his post, or are you just trying to be a white knight? He said it cost him 32 gold tempers troll, and doesn't have enough druegh wax to make his v16 armor set, which he could of easily traded for that 32 gold tempers and had money left over to spend.

    For all 4 Swords yes and then the 56 Dreugh Wax for the Medium Armors.

    ^This DRXHarbringer. You must be rich if you think that isn't a lot of money for v15 armor. No you are just a reverse troll.
    Edited by Justice31st on June 15, 2016 5:25PM
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    LMFAO GOLD v15
  • Justice31st
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    Anyways sorry to derail your topic. I agree, the ultimate is way too low. @Wrobel please explain.
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  • jzholloway
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    Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

    If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.
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  • heystreethawk
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    Justice31st wrote: »
    heystreethawk wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    therrieur wrote: »
    Real question is why would you golden out a V15 sword

    Because I'm not making V16 stuff until all styles are out so I know what I want. Let's keep this on topic though ok? Ok.

    Oh! To conserve crafting mats? Gotcha. I was curious too.

    LOL, to conserve crafting mats. 8 gold tempers. :p

    Judge all you want but this WAS to be my permanent weapon until all styles were released. I will have to make new ones now... Armor too, due to all the trait changes. Can't win for losing eh? :/

    Listen, don't sweat the ingots. The mats to upgrade the sword to gold are worth like... 64k maybe? If you were on PC, I would happily trade you 160 ingots in exchange for a carapace. If you were in a different faction, we could still meet up in a Veteran or Non-Veteran Dungeon and I would also share my Jubilee Cake.

    If you have enough ingots but are worried about the scarcity of future style mats and didn't want to potentially triple dip into valuable mats when you might find a cooler looking sword later on, I just wanna say that you can't worry about the future because it hasn't happened yet. You only live once, and life is a journey, and it's the journey, not the destination, with regard to what matters. Carpe diem, brother.
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    You gain ultimate through pretty much every good combat interaction.
    Between good form and luck, you're getting good bonus ultimate, possibly up to a third faster than usual.

    I see it as a hedge against cheating. You get some gain but not a full armor set worth of it.
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    jzholloway wrote: »
    Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

    If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

    With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...
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  • Justice31st
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    jzholloway wrote: »
    Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

    If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

    With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...

    ^This. Only sharpened and nirnhoned for me this update. The other traits still don't look worth while for end game.
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  • Sunburnt_Penguin
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    Holy ***, on my platform that's like 450k for the 7 pieces of armour and 360k for 3 weapons just to gold them. That's A LOT of gold to be used as a stop-gap regardless of your bank balance.
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  • jzholloway
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    jzholloway wrote: »
    Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

    If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

    With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...

    Except a tank gets no benefit from attack speed - and yes, I do agree, decisive is really best for tanks. With these two sets we actually get ultimate from blocking and dodging attacks.
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  • Justice31st
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    Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »
    Holy ***, on my platform that's like 450k for the 7 pieces of armour and 360k for 3 weapons just to gold them. That's A LOT of gold to be used as a stop-gap regardless of your bank balance.

    And that is the sale price after the survery node exploit.
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    jzholloway wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    jzholloway wrote: »
    Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

    If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

    With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...

    Except a tank gets no benefit from attack speed - and yes, I do agree, decisive is really best for tanks. With these two sets we actually get ultimate from blocking and dodging attacks.

    Well it's like I said I have no beef with them making an Ultimate gain trait but they made it so underwhelming and replaced a trait I actually liked using with it rather than just tack it on which would've been the best way to approach the change with it being done like this. Seems Zenimax is always putting us through the ringer somehow...

    They even reduced the effect of Well-Fitted's Sprint Cost Reduction... Seems they targeted what I'd run :|
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on June 15, 2016 5:38PM
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  • Oompuh
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    Best trait for Ultimate builds like my DK. Plus, weighted was a bit pointless imo expect for pig farming lol
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    What's the icd? Is there one?
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  • jzholloway
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    On PS4 - before this mornings update, tempers were 11k on avg, 5.5k for rosin and 5k for wax. That's 88k for blacksmithing, 44k for woodworking and 40k for clothing, per piece.
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Decisive > the other trait

    An extra 5% attack speed on a 1-handed weapon vs a 1/5 chance to gain 1 Ultimate per attack? I must respectfully disagree.
    Taleof2Cities wrote: »
    If you don't like decisive don't use it ... other players have use for it contrary to your beliefs ...

    It's not about using it or not. I have Decisive Swords because my Swords were Weighted because I wanted the Attack Speed, and I still do.

    If you think that Weighted trait was doing anything to make your attacks faster, I have a bottle of placebos I'd like to sell you! Sersiously, Weighted has been tested extensively, and there's a reason no DPS uses it: it does nothing of value. The only useful application ever found for this trait was with bow and Shield Breaker set, to get off a handful of light attacks a little faster than usual. It does NOTHING, however, to reduce the cooldowns that govern how quickly you can make attacks over any useful amount of time.
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  • jzholloway
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    jzholloway wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    jzholloway wrote: »
    Blood Spawn is a 6% chance when taking damage to restore 15 ultimate, Tava's is when you dodge an attack you gain 9 ultimate over 3 seconds.

    If that 1 ultimate has a 17% chance to be added per ultimate gain, and both of those proc (that's 24 17% chances to gain more ultimate, basically over 3 seconds. Tava's procs a lot... Blood Spawn seems to proc for me better then the 6% opportunity (its harder to tell on console). That's not bad at all.

    With this kind of effect though they definitely could've just kept the attack speed and ADDED the ultimate gain instead of replace the attack speed...

    Except a tank gets no benefit from attack speed - and yes, I do agree, decisive is really best for tanks. With these two sets we actually get ultimate from blocking and dodging attacks.

    Well it's like I said I have no beef with them making an Ultimate gain trait but they made it so underwhelming and replaced a trait I actually liked using with it rather than just tack it on which would've been the best way to approach the change with it being done like this. Seems Zenimax is always putting us through the ringer somehow...

    They even reduced the effect of Well-Fitted's Sprint Cost Reduction... Seems they targeted what I'd run :|

    Yeah, I have to make all new gear for most of my characters - I did plan on that being the case though once PTS came out a month and a half ago and I saw the trait changes. So for me, I farmed a lot for mats and gold improvement materials.
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  • Panth141
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    At 17% per sword, it comes out to 1 extra ultimate every three seconds.
    Make of that as you will.
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