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Sell legendary tempers for tel var
LiquidSchwartz
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Would make IC a must have dlc for anyone interested in end game and make more use of cyrodiil
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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LiquidSchwartz✭✭✭✭✭I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.
Its stupid that it costs 80k per piece of armor with heavy to make it gold
Thats rediculous
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭.LiquidSchwartz wrote: »I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.
Its stupid that it costs 80k per piece of armor with heavy to make it gold
Thats rediculous
There has to be something to work towards, the endgame meta can't be so easy to obtain that anyone can do it with little effort. No support. You want to be geared with the best? Work for it.
Edited by Judas Helviaryn on June 13, 2016 4:37PM10 -
Rva_Kun✭✭✭I get legendary tempers so easily so it's gg.Actions Speak Louder Than Words.
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cdobratz✭✭✭Makes dlc useful, just make the cost enough to equal out time to farm by other means (gathering 100 mats = 1 gold temper more or less)
Would give changes 13/10. Let the QQ commence.NA-PC
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SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭LiquidSchwartz wrote: »I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.
Its stupid that it costs 80k per piece of armor with heavy to make it gold
Thats rediculous
One can always farm... With the exception of v160 weapons the difference between purple and legendary is marginal so if you don't have the mats/money it does not really matter unless going for leaderboard top place or world record trial runs.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner1 -
oibam✭✭✭✭✭I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
I agree, but the current level of effort is so high, that most people can't effort to equip with golden gear.1 -
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✭✭✭✭LiquidSchwartz wrote: »I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.
Its stupid that it costs 80k per piece of armor with heavy to make it gold
Thats rediculous
Well tough luck if you're too lazy to farm and do writs.
And no, it would ruin IC completely because then the real zerging would start down there. More than now.Susano'o
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LiquidSchwartz✭✭✭✭✭
I spend hours in there every dayLiquidSchwartz wrote: »I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.
Its stupid that it costs 80k per piece of armor with heavy to make it gold
Thats rediculous
Well tough luck if you're too lazy to farm and do writs.
And no, it would ruin IC completely because then the real zerging would start down there. More than now.
The zerging is already there
I do writs and farm every morning for 2 hours
Its just greuling
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I understand the cost and time investments can be hard for golden gear but isn't that the point of it. You work towards gaining that perfect gear and because of the ability to sell AP/TVS items you can get the gold needed to upgrade without farming for it yourself.
There are a lot of items PvE players want which they're not willing to go into IC or Cyrodiil for themselves. The Polymorph boxes on PC EU at least are selling for enough gold to buy plenty of tempers. You can also spend times waiting to enter Cyoriil if you play on a heavily populated campaign just running around farming nodes.
I understand why people want better access to the materials but I don't think adding items previously not available from an NPC to their stores is a good idea for the trading aspect of the game or the crafting one.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭I think there's nothing inherently wrong with providing another option to get the upgrade material, or any item in the game. We've recently seen this in the addition of a merchant in Cyrodiil that has various/random dungeon-drop items for sale on a weekend.
I also like the idea of TV Stones having more uses. Of course it's all about balance: one way of getting the upgrade materials should not be clearly easier for the entire population than the other.If you can be anything, be kind.1 -
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Good pointRev Rielle wrote: »I think there's nothing inherently wrong with providing another option to get the upgrade material, or any item in the game. We've recently seen this in the addition of a merchant in Cyrodiil that has various/random dungeon-drop items for sale on a weekend.
I also like the idea of TV Stones having more uses. Of course it's all about balance: one way of getting the upgrade materials should not be clearly easier for the entire population than the other.
I just was thinkin of an idea
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✭✭✭✭✭I would be fine with it also, as long as the effort/time was somewhat equivalent to the effort/time of doing writs and farming materials.
Getting gold everything is something that is not necessary since the actual difference in stats (aside from weapons) is almost not noticeable. The real purpose of gold tempers is to keep people playing the game and have something to work towards without it being a huge power gap from purple to gold.0 -
TieFighter✭✭✭the whole reason people are buying stacks of raw mats are the chances at gold tempers, please dont sell gold tempers at any npc. this set up allows new players to make some decent money, who dont have max refinement yet.Da'Hui DC imperial mage dragonknight(retired but retained)
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Zenetrax✭✭✭I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »There has to be something to work towards, the endgame meta can't be so easy to obtain that anyone can do it with little effort. No support. You want to be geared with the best? Work for it.
Farming Telvar or AP is not effortless. We actually WORK for whatever we gain from Cyrodiil, IC, or IC Sewers :P I do believe that this should be an option for people that goes into the PVP zone a lot. Put like 20k AP per Tempering Alloy, 15k per Dreugh Wax, 10k per Rosin but as for Telvar I don't know how to put it maybe like 1k per Alloy, 800 per Wax, and 600 per Rosin. These price ranges seems reasonable I believe. Could increase the prices if you want us to WORK HARDER for it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »There has to be something to work towards, the endgame meta can't be so easy to obtain that anyone can do it with little effort. No support. You want to be geared with the best? Work for it.
OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE5 -
TieFighter✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »There has to be something to work towards, the endgame meta can't be so easy to obtain that anyone can do it with little effort. No support. You want to be geared with the best? Work for it.
OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
well you would have to have max refinment as well, this should be the only way to get the best tempers in the game imo- dont take jerbs away from new people. all we need is a bunch of gold tempered decked out toons like myself in ICS and have the ones that dont yet cry and complain about how they cant farm any tv because everyone else in making it difficult because now everyone is in ICS trying to farm tempers and a good number of them is already decked out.Da'Hui DC imperial mage dragonknight(retired but retained)
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »There has to be something to work towards, the endgame meta can't be so easy to obtain that anyone can do it with little effort. No support. You want to be geared with the best? Work for it.
OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.LiquidSchwartz wrote: »I personally don't think tempers should ever be sold via NPC's. They're one of the few things in the game retaining any real value because there is a level of effort in farming them.
There are plenty of options for turning AP or TVS into gold to then buy tempers from others if a player doesn't want to farm them themselves.
Its stupid that it costs 80k per piece of armor with heavy to make it gold
Thats rediculous
That one statement shows the whole intent behind the argument, and question.Edited by Judas Helviaryn on June 13, 2016 2:07PM0 -
Zenetrax✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.
I don't see how putting it available for purchase in the Telvar merchant is a "shortcut" to getting the materials. Nobody just stands there not taking any precautions or being careful and gets all the Telvar he needs.1 -
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✭✭✭Nerf crafting more...and max crafters income and abilities to procure items for others....
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Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.
I don't see how putting it available for purchase in the Telvar merchant is a "shortcut" to getting the materials. Nobody just stands there not taking any precautions or being careful and gets all the Telvar he needs.
Read my entire post, it will give you the context you need.0 -
Zenetrax✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.
I don't see how putting it available for purchase in the Telvar merchant is a "shortcut" to getting the materials. Nobody just stands there not taking any precautions or being careful and gets all the Telvar he needs.
Read my entire post, it will give you the context you need.
Can't seem to get your point.1 -
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"and max crafters income and abilities to procure items for others...." but I like making 900k in 2-3 days.Nerf crafting more...and max crafters income and abilities to procure items for others....
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Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭If the cost for Tempers is a good amount of TV, I think it would be fair. It would definitely bring in a large influx of players into IC, that's for sure.
The price should be set pretty high too, like 20k TV for one temper. Expensive, yes, but worth it.1 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.
I don't see how putting it available for purchase in the Telvar merchant is a "shortcut" to getting the materials. Nobody just stands there not taking any precautions or being careful and gets all the Telvar he needs.
Read my entire post, it will give you the context you need.
Can't seem to get your point.
Okay, what someone says and what he means can be two very different things. To get a proper bearing on the discussion, you need to understand his words, as well as where he comes from with them. Context. Putting tempers in the TV store at a balanced price alone isn't the issue, even if I am opposed to it. Those are the words. OP went on to complain about tempers being too expensive/ hard to get. That gives you his true motive behind the words. He says one thing, means the other. I prefer to argue the deeper meaning, rather than the superficial words. It cuts to the meat of the problem a lot faster.
The OP, by his own words, is after putting tempers in the TV store for an unspecified price, and by complaining about their availability, leads me to infer he's not looking for balance, he's looking for a shortcut.
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Zenetrax✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.
I don't see how putting it available for purchase in the Telvar merchant is a "shortcut" to getting the materials. Nobody just stands there not taking any precautions or being careful and gets all the Telvar he needs.
Read my entire post, it will give you the context you need.
Can't seem to get your point.
Okay, what someone says and what he means can be two very different things. To get a proper bearing on the discussion, you need to understand his words, as well as where he comes from with them. Context. Putting tempers in the TV store at a balanced price alone isn't the issue, even if I am opposed to it. Those are the words. OP went on to complain about tempers being too expensive/ hard to get. That gives you his true motive behind the words. He says one thing, means the other. I prefer to argue the deeper meaning, rather than the superficial words. It cuts to the meat of the problem a lot faster.
The OP, by his own words, is after putting tempers in the TV store for an unspecified price, and by complaining about their availability, leads me to infer he's not looking for balance, he's looking for a shortcut.
I'll get to it. What I understood is that you're saying that he's lazy so he wants an easier way (for him) to get the tempers so you don't agree with it? If what I understood is correct, he is proposing it through Telvar because in my way of thinking he has already farmed the Telvar stones, well-earned stones, because he actually worked for it.0 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »OP wants to "work for it" by killing mobs and players in IC. Does your only definition of work mean node farming?
OP also stated that the current method cost way too much, which is another way of saying there's too much effort needed. He's not looking for some balanced way to get tempers, which SHOULD be kept out of the TV store imo, he's looking for a shortcut.
I don't see how putting it available for purchase in the Telvar merchant is a "shortcut" to getting the materials. Nobody just stands there not taking any precautions or being careful and gets all the Telvar he needs.
Read my entire post, it will give you the context you need.
Can't seem to get your point.
Okay, what someone says and what he means can be two very different things. To get a proper bearing on the discussion, you need to understand his words, as well as where he comes from with them. Context. Putting tempers in the TV store at a balanced price alone isn't the issue, even if I am opposed to it. Those are the words. OP went on to complain about tempers being too expensive/ hard to get. That gives you his true motive behind the words. He says one thing, means the other. I prefer to argue the deeper meaning, rather than the superficial words. It cuts to the meat of the problem a lot faster.
The OP, by his own words, is after putting tempers in the TV store for an unspecified price, and by complaining about their availability, leads me to infer he's not looking for balance, he's looking for a shortcut.
I'll get to it. What I understood is that you're saying that he's lazy so he wants an easier way (for him) to get the tempers so you don't agree with it? If what I understood is correct, he is proposing it through Telvar because in my way of thinking he has already farmed the Telvar stones, well-earned stones, because he actually worked for it.
If you believe something is too expensive to justify purchasing in one currency, why would you argue for a balanced equivalent in another currency? Too expensive is too expensive. If the OP had enough TV to purchase it in said balanced changes, why not simply convert the TV to gold through selling TV goods for gold to other players? The option you propose is already there.0 -
Rumba1✭✭✭The major difference between "earning" TV stones and farming mats is that you receive no experience points or skill increase through farming.
Hence if you could farm TV stones and get tempers you would also be getting something that material farmers are forgoing in order to obtain rare materials. This reason alone is sufficient to quash this idea.
If, on the other hand, they made the TV stones obtainable in the PVE zones, so that you could obtain tempers either way then we might be able to talk.
Until then no.3