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VMA Stage 7 - Please don't let poison plants spawn while argonian boss is enraged
I was going for flawless on my templar today and got killed in stage 7 when a poison plant spawns right inside the shield and blows up while the boss is enraged. Please disable the poison plants from spawning while the boss is enraged. That is just poor design.
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Rainteal✭✭✭Spam harness magicka, and run to the cleanse once the brute stops screaming. You will live through it.0 -
Rainteal✭✭✭I would consider running harness magicka for future attempts at Flawless. I back-bar it on every round for my magicka Templar. It can save your butt and prevent a death.0
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✭✭✭✭✭I would consider running harness magicka for future attempts at Flawless. I back-bar it on every round for my magicka Templar. It can save your butt and prevent a death.
^This.^
Instead of asking ZOS to change the mechanic, follow the other countless players who changed a skill around and made it through the Maelstrom level ...
Edited by Taleof2Cities on June 1, 2016 7:43PM2 -
Taleof2Cities wrote: »I would consider running harness magicka for future attempts at Flawless. I back-bar it on every round for my magicka Templar. It can save your butt and prevent a death.
^This.^
Instead of asking ZOS to change the mechanic, follow the other countless players who changed a skill around and made it through the Maelstrom level ...
I have no problem making through the arena, and I am sure I can get flawless if I got for it again, but its just frustrating how bad mechanics can ruin a perfect run. Also, how can stam builds live through this with vigor or rally? It just doesn't make sense to allow the poison plants to spawn right underneath you when you got nowhere to go.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭blacksanctuary wrote: »Also, how can stam builds live through this with vigor or rally? It just doesn't make sense to allow the poison plants to spawn right underneath you when you got nowhere to go.
People would just tell you to not do it as a Stamina build. They're SUPER helpful like that.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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✭✭✭✭✭blacksanctuary wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »I would consider running harness magicka for future attempts at Flawless. I back-bar it on every round for my magicka Templar. It can save your butt and prevent a death.
^This.^
Instead of asking ZOS to change the mechanic, follow the other countless players who changed a skill around and made it through the Maelstrom level ...
I have no problem making through the arena, and I am sure I can get flawless if I got for it again, but its just frustrating how bad mechanics can ruin a perfect run. Also, how can stam builds live through this with vigor or rally? It just doesn't make sense to allow the poison plants to spawn right underneath you when you got nowhere to go.
I don't disagree ... vMA is hard enough without trying for the Flawless title ...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I find it appalling that there are people actually defending this mechanic. It's a pure luck/RNG mechanic that does not belong in the arena, and it's a problem that should be easily fixable by simply making it so that the shield grants the player immunity to any flowers that may explode within the shield (i.e., suppress the application of the Volatile Poison status effect if the player is under the shield).
That having been said, there have been countless threads about this problem ever since the early days of vMA, asking @ZOS_Finn to do something to fix it. At this point, over half a year later, your only realistic option is to either find a way to adapt to it, or just curse your luck and try again. But it doesn't hurt to keep asking and hoping for this fix.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Saltypretzels✭✭✭✭I gave up on Maelstrom when I died 4 times in a row because of the poison popping up inside the shield. At least I think that I what happened, I died in 2 seconds. Anyway, maybe I'm a wimp but I agree with the OP.0
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SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭What? What? Are you serious? Are you seriously asking that a solo arena that has BIS gear behind it be based on SKILL and not RNG?!?! Get out of here OP. L2P. Rewarding skill is preposterous. Best in slot gear and prestigious titles should be locked behind walls of RNG and lag! That is the only way!Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden
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AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Stage 7 r g is the dumbest mechanic I have ever seen in a game it will stay there forever after all this was implemented by the develops that brought us aoecaps, unparalleled Cyrodiil lag, vicious death,an unfinished and now zerged down imperial city,60% poisons that can stack1
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Lol, this is fine. What isn't fine is Wamasu One-Shots.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The first time I decided to go for a Flawless run I died to the exact same mechanic on Stage 7.
On my second Flawless attempt I was more careful and earned my title.
I dislike this RNG but it really can be avoided 100% of the time if careful enough. That said, you should gain 100% poison immunity while inside an Argonian Minder bubble shield.0 -
Doncellius wrote: »The first time I decided to go for a Flawless run I died to the exact same mechanic on Stage 7.
On my second Flawless attempt I was more careful and earned my title.
I dislike this RNG but it really can be avoided 100% of the time if careful enough. That said, you should gain 100% poison immunity while inside an Argonian Minder bubble shield.
It's not avoidable even if you are very careful, I made sure there is no plants near the argonian mage before I killed the other one. When I got inside the bubble there was no plants anywhere near it, but 2 seconds into his scream a new plant spawned right underneath the bubble and killed me0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@blacksanctuary The bubble has enough space. In that situation I'd keep as much distance from it as possible. Stop DPSing the boss to focus if necessary.
You should definitely be given immunity to poison bulbs while in the shield radius, but it IS avoidable. Just need to be very on top of things
On a couple of runs, I had to interrupt the Argonian Behemoth to get cured, then fight him enraged. Still winnable.
My biggest issue is with killing an Argonian Minder, and then getting hit by one of those ground quakes or having the boss punch me. As soon as the Argonian Minder dies the Argonian Behemoth will enrage for his scream. His attacks after killing a Minder deal the enraged damage even if used right before the actual scream
Edited by Vaoh on June 2, 2016 5:08AM1 -
Trashkan✭✭✭blacksanctuary wrote: »
Yes you can interupt the enraged scream.Edited by Trashkan on June 2, 2016 5:09AM0 -
Doncellius wrote: »@blacksanctuary The bubble has enough space. In that situation I'd keep as much distance from it as possible. Stop DPSing the boss to focus if necessary.
You should definitely be given immunity to poison bulbs while in the shield radius, but it IS avoidable. Just need to be very on top of things
On a couple of runs, I had to interrupt the Argonian Behemoth to get cured, then fight him enraged. Still winnable.
My biggest issue is with killing an Argonian Minder, and then getting hit by one of those ground quakes or having the boss punch me. As soon as the Argonian Minder dies the Argonian Behemoth will enrage for his scream. His attacks after killing a Minder deal the enraged damage even if used right before the actual scream
The plant spawned right in the middle of the bubble, it covered the entire bubble and I don't have all the shields so it's a game over for me at that point, it's just really bad luck that this happened during my flawless attempt, I have had it happened on my normal runs but it's not as frustrating when you are just 1 death away from a flawless due to bad game design.
I have had that happened to me too so I am very careful when killing the minders, i try to make sure the boss is not casting ground quake when i am about to kill the minder0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭if not for stage 7, i can prob get flawless, if not for stage 7 random *** i can prob make leaderboards
i dont play magicka in vma. so *** that idea off
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@blacksanctuary That Round needs fixing. For now, just keep on running it. Use tons of sigils on a run you want to earn Flawless on, as the title matters not the score this time.
Kill him as fast as possible. Defense+Healing will help big time against poison bulbs. Even if you arent in danger, take them in case your luck is bad.
I hope for the best in you achieving your title Edited by Vaoh on June 2, 2016 6:12AM0 -
andy_s✭✭✭✭Here is a video. It's clearly a l2p issue, but healing ward helps noobs like me a lot
https://youtu.be/2W5wo_InM1c
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akredon_ESO✭✭✭✭you have no idea how bad i was nerd raging when this happened to me the other day lol some of the mechanics in this arena are not very well designed and this is one of them. i have had the worse time with round 7 than any of them because of how much RNG goes into that fight0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Here is a video. It's clearly a l2p issue, but healing ward helps noobs like me a lot
Did you miss the part about the OP being stamina?
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- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
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- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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✭✭I find it appalling that there are people actually defending this mechanic. It's a pure luck/RNG mechanic that does not belong in the arena, and it's a problem that should be easily fixable by simply making it so that the shield grants the player immunity to any flowers that may explode within the shield (i.e., suppress the application of the Volatile Poison status effect if the player is under the shield).
That having been said, there have been countless threads about this problem ever since the early days of vMA, asking @ZOS_Finn to do something to fix it. At this point, over half a year later, your only realistic option is to either find a way to adapt to it, or just curse your luck and try again. But it doesn't hurt to keep asking and hoping for this fix.
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✭✭And unlucky, OP. That would have pissed me off big time.
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Savage_Audacity✭✭✭Can you not bash the boss in the vet version?
Very Very Very strong point. Even I tend to overlook this seeing as bashing the boss causes potential insta deaths. It is tough on stam builds i agree. but you dont havd to stand in the bubble if you bash the boss like this person is saying. you do have a third option its just not easy. Interupt the scream with a bash or ability then dodge his attacks for ~15 seconds. hard but able to be done.0 -
Savage_Audacity✭✭✭to clarify: im not justifying the broken rng im saying you have alternative options to get fewer deaths/flawless runs. Excuses are very distracting. I say this with good intentions; open your mind to new possibilities. You can stop the rng by bashing the boss. not convenient but effective none the less0
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Erm, how flawless was it dying because you run a stam templar?blacksanctuary wrote: »I have no problem making through the arena, and I am sure I can get flawless if I got for it again, but its just frustrating how bad mechanics can ruin a perfect run. Also, how can stam builds live through this with vigor or rally? It just doesn't make sense to allow the poison plants to spawn right underneath you when you got nowhere to go.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
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