They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
I See no Buffs pls explainThey didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
wookikiller95 wrote: »I See no Buffs pls explainThey didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Khaos_Bane wrote: »They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Then why did they change it buddy ? Just leave it at 20. Not to mention surge changes. And there were no buffs. You don't know what you are talking about.
@Wrobel already explained why he changed it they wanted it to protect you against burst damage not all damage through out a fight.Plus they buff the other morph to 10 seconds for PVE.Well I will admit I forgot about the surge changes but again the heal from that wasn't great when most good PVP players are running Impenetrable,so you get more health from a restro staff.Actually false their were a buff they buffed Negate and they buffed empowering Ward.So its you who don't know what he is talking about sir.Khaos_Bane wrote: »They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Then why did they change it buddy ? Just leave it at 20. Not to mention surge changes. And there were no buffs. You don't know what you are talking about.
They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
All of a stam DK's class abilities are melee range, so as long as you're using the terrain and a ranged build they'll never touch you. I think the damage up close is relatively fair for the range tradeoff.
All of a stam DK's class abilities are melee range, so as long as you're using the terrain and a ranged build they'll never touch you. I think the damage up close is relatively fair for the range tradeoff.
To be honest, it's the same for pretty much all stamina builds :P
The only one with a ranged stamina ability is Templar (javelin) - and it's not a very good one
I'm using Silver Leash & Poison Injection on my stam DK next patch - guarantees some solid ranged damage (even without class skills) - and no need to slot Crit Rush as gap closer
Azor_Ahaii wrote: »wookikiller95 wrote: »I See no Buffs pls explainThey didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Harness magicka now absorbs all times of damage like hardened ward. So you now have more defensive against stamina classes.
Masstershake wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Then why did they change it buddy ? Just leave it at 20. Not to mention surge changes. And there were no buffs. You don't know what you are talking about.
They changed it because they needed to. I'm almost positive it is you that doesn't know what you're talking about buddy
? Stam classes best? Yeah on 1v1s stam dks Rock and nbs are awesome in ganks. However open world group vs group which 99% of the pvp is based on stam dk is trash. What? You going to walk into 30 people and try to Wb Someone? Stop trolling please. Mag toons can just proxy bomb with VD or batswarm etc etc. It all depends on the situation. There's classes good at stuff and classes bad at stuff. Stop painting things with a skewed pov...
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Eric doesn't seem to see the game the same way we do. I really don't know how to remedy this. He said on ESO live that the old crit surge was OP because people could get a full heal with overload. That's when you know he is listening to people that don't play sorc that much. Magicka sorcs can survive just with shields, healing ward in your shield stack is sufficient. Most use entropy/degeneration for major damage buff, not crit surge. Overload is just clunky.
Its stamina sorcs that need crit surge. Making surge a constant 2kHPS trickle heal is kind of worthless in PvP. It also costs a TON of magicka for stam sorc. It is in no way competative with what the other classes can do with 2 of them having major mending and NB having an escape that doesn't stack with continued use?
As @FENGRUSH said, would it really be that bad if stam sorcs were OP for just one patch? Just one? Every other stam class except maybe templar has had a chance to be top dog and that is debatable for this next patch.
I still don't know why every other stam class has at least THREE damage dealing class or ultimate abilities that scale with stam and sorc has just one. Nightblade has 5.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »As FENGRUSH said, would it really be that bad if stam sorcs were OP for just one patch? Just one? Every other stam class except maybe templar has had a chance to be top dog and that is debatable for this next patch.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »As FENGRUSH said, would it really be that bad if stam sorcs were OP for just one patch? Just one? Every other stam class except maybe templar has had a chance to be top dog and that is debatable for this next patch.
It's bad when any patch makes a build OP. What would you really rather have, one patch that Stam Sorc is OP before it's nerfed into the ground. Or a reasonably balanced class that's viable for the continuum?
When a class gets to be OP or anything resembling it, there's player resentment for a long after that time has passed. It makes having any discussion about the class very difficult. That's really the fate you want for Stam Sorc?
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »As FENGRUSH said, would it really be that bad if stam sorcs were OP for just one patch? Just one? Every other stam class except maybe templar has had a chance to be top dog and that is debatable for this next patch.
It's bad when any patch makes a build OP. What would you really rather have, one patch that Stam Sorc is OP before it's nerfed into the ground. Or a reasonably balanced class that's viable for the continuum?
When a class gets to be OP or anything resembling it, there's player resentment for a long after that time has passed. It makes having any discussion about the class very difficult. That's really the fate you want for Stam Sorc?
Stam sorc is already peremptorily nerfed into the ground. NB has been crazy powerful for about 3 DLCs at this point. The resentment may be there but they aren't getting nerfed that hard.
The biggest "nerf" to magicka DK was the change from dynamic to static ultimate generation. Not even a direct DK nerf. That was a meta nerf. Stam templar, DK, and NB are all exciting with plenty of build options. I just want the same for sorc.
Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »As FENGRUSH said, would it really be that bad if stam sorcs were OP for just one patch? Just one? Every other stam class except maybe templar has had a chance to be top dog and that is debatable for this next patch.
It's bad when any patch makes a build OP. What would you really rather have, one patch that Stam Sorc is OP before it's nerfed into the ground. Or a reasonably balanced class that's viable for the continuum?
When a class gets to be OP or anything resembling it, there's player resentment for a long after that time has passed. It makes having any discussion about the class very difficult. That's really the fate you want for Stam Sorc?
Stam sorc is already peremptorily nerfed into the ground. NB has been crazy powerful for about 3 DLCs at this point. The resentment may be there but they aren't getting nerfed that hard.
The biggest "nerf" to magicka DK was the change from dynamic to static ultimate generation. Not even a direct DK nerf. That was a meta nerf. Stam templar, DK, and NB are all exciting with plenty of build options. I just want the same for sorc.
First, you want Stam Sorc to be OP, then you want it to have plenty of build options. Which I might add the others don't truly have either. (Welcome to the Rapid Strikes meta) I honestly don't think you know what you want, if you think that there's no debate that Stam Sorc has at least gotten better. The point really seems to be, that it's not what you want, nebulous as that may be , and therefore it's not good enough.
There's a very genuine possibility that Sorc was not intially designed in a way to support Stamina builds. As such it has to be redesigned bit by bit. That's a very long process, and one that normally happens long before launch. What's your answer, homogenize it? Have it lose defining class characteristics? The class has to retain some semblance of uniqueness. Otherwise players would be complaining it's good, but doesn't feel like a Sorc (See: Stam DK, and the #INeedStaminaWhip to 'feel' like a DK) I get that your tired of waiting for Stam Sorcs day in the sun, but you know there are plenty of others waiting for a myriad of other features. There are only so many hours in the day, and so many hands on deck. It's the best laid plans of mice and men scenario, and at least ZOS is working on it. You clearly don't agree, but they are.
Khaos_Bane wrote: »They didn't Nerf sorc shields in PVP they Buffed it actually so they will be fine.You shields wouldn't last more than 6 seconds in PVP anyway.So not that big of a deal.Khaos_Bane wrote: »STA DK was already the top dog DPS for STA builds and NB top dog for burst out of stealth. This patch made the STA DK and STA NB even more powerful with skill changes to disease and poison. In addition they nerfed major defensive skills for MAG Sorcs and turned crit surge into hot garbage.
So keep buffing the best STA classes? WTF
Then why did they change it buddy ? Just leave it at 20.