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Sugaroverdose✭✭✭✭✭
And it's good, at least they are restricted to get 2H if they want to sit in invisibility 100% of times. Giving nightblades unrestricted buff will make them all 100% DW+Bow gankingSugaroverdose wrote: »
But DK already have it, there's no reason to grant night blades full featured unrestricted hidden buffs or they will newer get out from invis, just oneshot everything around.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
They already do that by equipping a 2H weapon and using Rally/Forward Momentum.
What this does is that it pigeonholes pretty much all NBs into sneaking around with a big 2H weapon and limits the amount of build variety you can have.
In fact it's not an issue for nightblades who has invisibility, so flying blade+invis+do whatever you wanted to doNothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.Edited by Sugaroverdose on May 10, 2016 12:28PM0 -
Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please.
No bias on my part, I have and played a lot on all classes, stam and magica. Stam NBs are flat out broken.Edited by Brrrofski on May 10, 2016 12:34PM1 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's fine where it is. Yeah Steel Tornado still outperforms it, but it should; ST does cost more after all. Don't be greedy.Edited by Strider_Roshin on May 10, 2016 2:25PM0 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please
Not because of Power Extraction they won't. You're just biased and irrational.
Nerf Incap Strike -- that *** hurts too much -- take the penetration off of Surprise Attack, make SA an Assassination ability, make Blur a Shadow ability (to make activating Shadow Barrier a bit harder), and you're good to go.
Also nerf radiant, I agree.Edited by KenaPKK on May 10, 2016 12:36PMKena
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Yes, jabs do more damage than Surprise Attack- believe it or not, especially next patch with the Burning Light buff - and furthermore if you happen to be fighting a nightblade with your stamplar, you can outheal them better than they can outheal you (Purifying Ritual for Major Mending).
If my class is the "stealthy class", then how come it does stealth burst worse than DKs & Sorcs? That is, unless you slot 2H & use Rally/Vigor to buff yourself.
It makes absolutely no sense that the stealthy class is supposed to hold a big 2H weapon while sneaking to do the most stealth damage. In what universe does that make sense?
Cloak is broken and needs to get fixed - it's the main reason I barely play my Nightblade these days, preferring magicka templar (probably stam sorc next patch).
And yes, I'm aware there are potions to get Major Brutality from - but do you know how expensive that is when you play multiple hours a day & you want that buff in every fight?1 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have 4 suggestions for PE:
1. Every enemy hit receives 5% more poison/ disease dmg for 3 sec
2. Supresses one buff(like major brutality) of the enemy hit for 4 sec ( effect has a cooldown of 12 sec) the buff won't run out during the supression
3. Restores x Stamina and y magicka for your group members ( no stam/ mag for yourself) scales with number of enemies hit to an amount of 500 each.
4. Infects every enemy with disease damage for 10 sec1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Sugaroverdose wrote: »
And it's good, at least they are restricted to get 2H if they want to sit in invisibility 100% of times. Giving nightblades unrestricted buff will make them all 100% DW+Bow gankingSugaroverdose wrote: »
But DK already have it, there's no reason to grant night blades full featured unrestricted hidden buffs or they will newer get out from invis, just oneshot everything around.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
They already do that by equipping a 2H weapon and using Rally/Forward Momentum.
What this does is that it pigeonholes pretty much all NBs into sneaking around with a big 2H weapon and limits the amount of build variety you can have.
So in your opinion, it makes sense that a stealth class is "supposed to" use a big 2H weapon to fulfill their role?
I guess you haven't played many RPGs...
And how is it good for the gameplay that every NB you meet is using that 2H for Rally? Do you perhaps like them roll dodging & cloaking around and then healing back to full health with it? I don't see the harm in allowing other playstyles to exist as well - especially when those playstyles fit their archetype much better than sneaking around with a big heavy 2H axe.
Also, your argument about "100% NBs going Bow/DW" is -quite frankly- bollocks.
What about the NBs who want to play with 2H weapon, just as I'd like to play with DW/Bow? Oh right, they can still do that & be just as effective (or even more effective, Rally heal is strong - same as Forward Momentum next patch).
Even if that was the case & "100% NBs went Bow/DW", it'd make hell of a lot more sense than them sneaking around with a two-hander.0 -
KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have 4 suggestions for PE:
1. Every enemy hit receives 5% more poison/ disease dmg for 3 sec
2. Supresses one buff(like major brutality) of the enemy hit for 4 sec ( effect has a cooldown of 12 sec) the buff won't run out during the supression
3. Restores x Stamina and y magicka for your group members ( no stam/ mag for yourself) scales with number of enemies hit to an amount of 500 each.
4. Infects every enemy with disease damage for 10 sec
I love the idea of applying a super short but high healing debuff to enemies hit. Like a 2 second 50% healing debuff like Fasalla's does. Couldn't let it stack with Fasalla's though.. HmmmmKena
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Former Legend GM
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please
Not because of Power Extraction they won't. You're just biased and irrational.
Nerf Incap Strike -- that *** hurts too much -- take the penetration off of Surprise Attack, make SA an Assassination ability, make Blur a Shadow ability (to make activating Shadow Barrier a bit harder), and you're good to go.
Also nerf radiant, I agree.
No, they already will be. Adding any buff to that skill will just make it even more of a joke.
How am I biased? I have a vet 16 stam Nb. It was my third character. I'm just being honest, they're broken. Sorcs are broke in pvp too. Both classes have everything. Burst, survivability and mobility.
They need nothing added. If you want aoe, steel tornado. That's the sacrifice you'll have to take.0 -
Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Yes, jabs do more damage than Surprise Attack- believe it or not, especially next patch with the Burning Light buff - and furthermore if you happen to be fighting a nightblade with your stamplar, you can outheal them better than they can outheal you (Purifying Ritual for Major Mending).
If my class is the "stealthy class", then how come it does stealth burst worse than DKs & Sorcs? That is, unless you slot 2H & use Rally/Vigor to buff yourself.
It makes absolutely no sense that the stealthy class is supposed to hold a big 2H weapon while sneaking to do the most stealth damage. In what universe does that make sense?
Cloak is broken and needs to get fixed - it's the main reason I barely play my Nightblade these days, preferring magicka templar (probably stam sorc next patch).
And yes, I'm aware there are potions to get Major Brutality from - but do you know how expensive that is when you play multiple hours a day & you want that buff in every fight?
Dude I'm not going to get into a class balance war with you. You take this to a poll and I am 100% confident people would agree that stam nb outperforms any other stamina class when it comes to dps.
With the changes nightblade got for DB, stam nightblade is borederline broken again. They won't need cloak to work because they will just mow people down with their abilities scaling with mighty now.PC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt0 -
luxfreak✭✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please.
No bias on my part, I have and played a lot on all classes, stam and magica. Stam NBs are flat out broken.
I can agree with this. If you play your build good, and DONT die from a one shot gank, than its not that hard to kill a stamina Blade.
Stamina Blades can Cloak only around 3 Times befor going oom, its the magblades that go stealth forever.
Then if if the flatout broken thing would be correct, and not just becasue you cant play against stamblades,
Stamblades will still underperform in PVE. Thats a Fact.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Jabs deal INFACT more Damage then Surprise Attack, that is, if you hit all attacks and get a passiv proc.
AND if you play in a group and have a tank that applys the Armor Debuff.
Without the major Armor Debuff, you can still apply the minor armor debuff, and get out on top.
And even without the minor Armor Debuff, the jabs deal good Damage, you just have to hit all of them.
And it DOES counter blades, as they come out of stealth if hit by an AOE, which jabs are.
So mayby you have damagewise a small disadvantage against Blades, But you got your own Class shield, got quite some Damage Migitation, things that StamBlades dont have.
You cant just cry that one class have some feature that you dont have, while ignoring that your class has its own features.
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Wuuffyy✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Um... Jabs do a lot and you have an amazing armor buff that last for more than 4 to 11 seconds. Lol, I wish I had major mending, minor vitality, and minor protection in one move that only cost 2k magika. Plus way more lol.
On another note, this needs a healing debuff, I don't want to use an multi to get it.Wuuffyy,
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Metafae✭✭✭✭✭If they changed this ability, you can be sure they'll remove the Major Brutality it gives you in favor of something completely random and call it balance. I think it's fine the way it is, lets not fix what is not broken.1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Yes, jabs do more damage than Surprise Attack- believe it or not, especially next patch with the Burning Light buff - and furthermore if you happen to be fighting a nightblade with your stamplar, you can outheal them better than they can outheal you (Purifying Ritual for Major Mending).
If my class is the "stealthy class", then how come it does stealth burst worse than DKs & Sorcs? That is, unless you slot 2H & use Rally/Vigor to buff yourself.
It makes absolutely no sense that the stealthy class is supposed to hold a big 2H weapon while sneaking to do the most stealth damage. In what universe does that make sense?
Cloak is broken and needs to get fixed - it's the main reason I barely play my Nightblade these days, preferring magicka templar (probably stam sorc next patch).
And yes, I'm aware there are potions to get Major Brutality from - but do you know how expensive that is when you play multiple hours a day & you want that buff in every fight?
Dude I'm not going to get into a class balance war with you. You take this to a poll and I am 100% confident people would agree that stam nb outperforms any other stamina class when it comes to dps.
With the changes nightblade got for DB, stam nightblade is borederline broken again. They won't need cloak to work because they will just mow people down with their abilities scaling with mighty now.
And I'm not going to tell you what I think of "most people" and their opinions, because that wouldn't do well with the forum moderators. Polite version: "most people" don't know what they're talking about.
As of right now, stamina nightblade is the weakest DPS in the entire game (well, havent compared to stam sorcs because they don't practically exist). You don't even use Surprise Attack in PvE, because Rapid Strikes is so much better with Thaumaturge.
In PvP Surprise Attack is good, but so is Jabs - you can use S&B on off-bar (synergizes well with templar passives anyway) & Ransack for a rather long duration armor debuff. Now you have the same penetration as NBs & can hit them much harder with sweeps than they hit you with S-Attack, while also healing more with your Vigor+Rally & taking 8% less dmg with Restoring Focus up.
But let's not turn this into a Templar thread and let's focus on the main issue: Power Extraction.0 -
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✭✭If they changed this ability, you can be sure they'll remove the Major Brutality it gives you in favor of something completely random and call it balance. I think it's fine the way it is, lets not fix what is not broken.
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Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please.
No bias on my part, I have and played a lot on all classes, stam and magica. Stam NBs are flat out broken.
I can agree with this. If you play your build good, and DONT die from a one shot gank, than its not that hard to kill a stamina Blade.
Stamina Blades can Cloak only around 3 Times befor going oom, its the magblades that go stealth forever.
Then if if the flatout broken thing would be correct, and not just becasue you cant play against stamblades,
Stamblades will still underperform in PVE. Thats a Fact.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Jabs deal INFACT more Damage then Surprise Attack, that is, if you hit all attacks and get a passiv proc.
AND if you play in a group and have a tank that applys the Armor Debuff.
Without the major Armor Debuff, you can still apply the minor armor debuff, and get out on top.
And even without the minor Armor Debuff, the jabs deal good Damage, you just have to hit all of them.
And it DOES counter blades, as they come out of stealth if hit by an AOE, which jabs are.
So mayby you have damagewise a small disadvantage against Blades, But you got your own Class shield, got quite some Damage Migitation, things that StamBlades dont have.
You cant just cry that one class have some feature that you dont have, while ignoring that your class has its own features.
See you literally just proved my point. You just said that I have to rely on another person, rely on a passive, or another ability to perform the same damage as surprise attack. Also, you want to pull up other Templar abilities, great, let's chat. Sun shield is a joke and doesn't scale properly since 1.7 with the battle spirit changes. It's costly, and will only be effective if you have over 45k health. Nightblade doesn't have mitigation? Oh really? If I recall, dark cloak is probably one of the best ways to mitigate damage in the game. Another thing, since y'all want to outsource and suggest out of class abilities, use bone shield for mitigation.
I'm not ignoring that stamplar has utility. I'm arguing that nightblade already has ENOUGH and doesn't need anymore. These constant buffs to a class the is broken is getting old. Every patch I see nightblades complain about this or that when they fail to realize how much other classes under perform in comparison.PC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt0 -
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✭✭✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please.
No bias on my part, I have and played a lot on all classes, stam and magica. Stam NBs are flat out broken.
I can agree with this. If you play your build good, and DONT die from a one shot gank, than its not that hard to kill a stamina Blade.
Stamina Blades can Cloak only around 3 Times befor going oom, its the magblades that go stealth forever.
Then if if the flatout broken thing would be correct, and not just becasue you cant play against stamblades,
Stamblades will still underperform in PVE. Thats a Fact.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Jabs deal INFACT more Damage then Surprise Attack, that is, if you hit all attacks and get a passiv proc.
AND if you play in a group and have a tank that applys the Armor Debuff.
Without the major Armor Debuff, you can still apply the minor armor debuff, and get out on top.
And even without the minor Armor Debuff, the jabs deal good Damage, you just have to hit all of them.
And it DOES counter blades, as they come out of stealth if hit by an AOE, which jabs are.
So mayby you have damagewise a small disadvantage against Blades, But you got your own Class shield, got quite some Damage Migitation, things that StamBlades dont have.
You cant just cry that one class have some feature that you dont have, while ignoring that your class has its own features.
I can cloak 7 time on my stamblade. 7 times. And that to shuffle, dodge roll, rally and vigor. Sorry, but they have great survivability. I can play against them fine. Immovable and detect pot make them no issue, but that's not the point. They still will be the strongest class by a long shot next patch.
Just because you put fact after something doesn't make it so. Sorcs only stay there in pve thanks overload, yet are exceptionally strong in pvp and usually don't use overload. You can't compare the two.
By the way, you cannot count blazing shield as anything. NBs do have damage mitigation. The spammable dps of a stam Nb procs shadow barrier... Dark cloak gives 8% reduces damage, a class dodge chance and cloak itself.
How do people honestly think stam NBs aren't op? Do people even play other classes?Edited by Brrrofski on May 10, 2016 12:59PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Yes, jabs do more damage than Surprise Attack- believe it or not, especially next patch with the Burning Light buff - and furthermore if you happen to be fighting a nightblade with your stamplar, you can outheal them better than they can outheal you (Purifying Ritual for Major Mending).
If my class is the "stealthy class", then how come it does stealth burst worse than DKs & Sorcs? That is, unless you slot 2H & use Rally/Vigor to buff yourself.
It makes absolutely no sense that the stealthy class is supposed to hold a big 2H weapon while sneaking to do the most stealth damage. In what universe does that make sense?
Cloak is broken and needs to get fixed - it's the main reason I barely play my Nightblade these days, preferring magicka templar (probably stam sorc next patch).
And yes, I'm aware there are potions to get Major Brutality from - but do you know how expensive that is when you play multiple hours a day & you want that buff in every fight?
Dude I'm not going to get into a class balance war with you. You take this to a poll and I am 100% confident people would agree that stam nb outperforms any other stamina class when it comes to dps.
With the changes nightblade got for DB, stam nightblade is borederline broken again. They won't need cloak to work because they will just mow people down with their abilities scaling with mighty now.
And I'm not going to tell you what I think of "most people" and their opinions, because that wouldn't do well with the forum moderators. Polite version: "most people" don't know what they're talking about.
As of right now, stamina nightblade is the weakest DPS in the entire game (well, havent compared to stam sorcs because they don't practically exist). You don't even use Surprise Attack in PvE, because Rapid Strikes is so much better with Thaumaturge.
In PvP Surprise Attack is good, but so is Jabs - you can use S&B on off-bar (synergizes well with templar passives anyway) & Ransack for a rather long duration armor debuff. Now you have the same penetration as NBs & can hit them much harder with sweeps than they hit you with S-Attack, while also healing more with your Vigor+Rally & taking 8% less dmg with Restoring Focus up.
But let's not turn this into a Templar thread and let's focus on the main issue: Power Extraction.
2 seconds. Thats how long most players have to live if I decide to open up on them with the stamblade. A jabplar will take four to five times as long to achieve the same burst damage, and.... that means more reaction time.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Yes, jabs do more damage than Surprise Attack- believe it or not, especially next patch with the Burning Light buff - and furthermore if you happen to be fighting a nightblade with your stamplar, you can outheal them better than they can outheal you (Purifying Ritual for Major Mending).
If my class is the "stealthy class", then how come it does stealth burst worse than DKs & Sorcs? That is, unless you slot 2H & use Rally/Vigor to buff yourself.
It makes absolutely no sense that the stealthy class is supposed to hold a big 2H weapon while sneaking to do the most stealth damage. In what universe does that make sense?
Cloak is broken and needs to get fixed - it's the main reason I barely play my Nightblade these days, preferring magicka templar (probably stam sorc next patch).
And yes, I'm aware there are potions to get Major Brutality from - but do you know how expensive that is when you play multiple hours a day & you want that buff in every fight?
Dude I'm not going to get into a class balance war with you. You take this to a poll and I am 100% confident people would agree that stam nb outperforms any other stamina class when it comes to dps.
With the changes nightblade got for DB, stam nightblade is borederline broken again. They won't need cloak to work because they will just mow people down with their abilities scaling with mighty now.
And I'm not going to tell you what I think of "most people" and their opinions, because that wouldn't do well with the forum moderators. Polite version: "most people" don't know what they're talking about.
As of right now, stamina nightblade is the weakest DPS in the entire game (well, havent compared to stam sorcs because they don't practically exist). You don't even use Surprise Attack in PvE, because Rapid Strikes is so much better with Thaumaturge.
In PvP Surprise Attack is good, but so is Jabs - you can use S&B on off-bar (synergizes well with templar passives anyway) & Ransack for a rather long duration armor debuff. Now you have the same penetration as NBs & can hit them much harder with sweeps than they hit you with S-Attack, while also healing more with your Vigor+Rally & taking 8% less dmg with Restoring Focus up.
But let's not turn this into a Templar thread and let's focus on the main issue: Power Extraction.
2 seconds. Thats how long most players have to live if I decide to open up on them with the stamblade. A jabplar will take four to five times as long to achieve the same burst damage, and.... that means more reaction time.
Weak damage, just lol.
Are we talking burst from stealth or out of stealth?
Because I don't disagree that stamblades have the highest stealth burst in the game, but out of stealth they're grossly outperformed by other stamina builds.
Sticking to the thread topic: the main problem is that you are kind of forced to use 2H (or a ton of potions) to get that stealth burst, because there is no way to proc Major Brutality in stealth for NBs without the aforementioned. This is why Power Extraction needs to be changed to synergize better with the NB playstyle & allow for builds outside 2H to really exist.0 -
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✭✭✭✭So you want Radiant nerfed yet another buff to the top class next patch.
Stam NBs will B-flat out broken op next patch. ZOS need to stop buffing them, seriously.
NBs have enough great skills and passives. No major no major no nothing for this skill please.
No bias on my part, I have and played a lot on all classes, stam and magica. Stam NBs are flat out broken.
I can agree with this. If you play your build good, and DONT die from a one shot gank, than its not that hard to kill a stamina Blade.
Stamina Blades can Cloak only around 3 Times befor going oom, its the magblades that go stealth forever.
Then if if the flatout broken thing would be correct, and not just becasue you cant play against stamblades,
Stamblades will still underperform in PVE. Thats a Fact.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
Templar doesn't have a way to buff itself either? Why does nightblade literally have all the utility in the world through its skills and passives yet nightblade players want more. I'd love to have armor buffs. I'd love for my jabs to do extreme damage, not be a channel, and reduce armor. I'd love for my class gap closer (mind you I don't use it because I'm a stamplar) to work consistently and empower my next attack, I'd love to have a freaking willows path set regen bonus as a passive, I'd love to have the ability to scale my max stats with slotting certain abilities, I'd love to have aoe unblock able CC. Shall I continue?
Yes, Templars could certainly use a Major Brutality buff as well.
But then again, it isn't as big of a problem for Templars. Templar isn't the stealth focused class of this MMO, you don't *have to* buff yourself in stealth to be effective.
This means that Templars can make do with Flying Blade (buffing themselves after engaging), after which they can perform their archetype very well.
Nightblades however have to slot 2H - Flying Blade isn't an option because you cannot empower your stealth attacks with it.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, you seem to have some serious misconceptions about templars.
Jabs deal insane amounts of damage, much more so than Surprise Attack (and they do that as AoE, meaning you actually counter Nightblades very well). Stamplars are going to be the most effective zerg wipers of all stamina classes next patch with Jabs->DBOS, you'll just have to focus on weapon dmg/stamina (which your class passives support very well).
I'd love to be able to wipe zergs like that as a Nightblade & just pop people out of invisibility with my main DPS skill, but that's not the case, because balance
Also, you actually have a gap closer next patch (outside 2H) - it's called Silver Leash & I will certainly use it on my stamplar (yes, I do have one) rather than Crit Rush.
Jabs does more than surprise attack? Is that some sort of joke? Bahahahahaha
Jabs almost never hits on all 4 of the channeled attacks and even if it does, it still does around 1-3k less than more nightblades. I've stacked weapon damage on both a nightblade and stamplar and the stam nightblade does more dps.
Also, I get that your class is the "stealthy" class. But you don't always have to be in stealth to be effective. Plus, your stealth mechanics don't work half the damn time anyways. So this, "I don't wanna have to come out of cloak to buff" crap is a joke really. Also, if you do want to play that way (not trying to break your immersion) they have pots that will buff you for that
Jabs deal INFACT more Damage then Surprise Attack, that is, if you hit all attacks and get a passiv proc.
AND if you play in a group and have a tank that applys the Armor Debuff.
Without the major Armor Debuff, you can still apply the minor armor debuff, and get out on top.
And even without the minor Armor Debuff, the jabs deal good Damage, you just have to hit all of them.
And it DOES counter blades, as they come out of stealth if hit by an AOE, which jabs are.
So mayby you have damagewise a small disadvantage against Blades, But you got your own Class shield, got quite some Damage Migitation, things that StamBlades dont have.
You cant just cry that one class have some feature that you dont have, while ignoring that your class has its own features.
I can cloak 7 time on my stamblade. 7 times. And that to shuffle, dodge roll, rally and vigor. Sorry, but they have great survivability. I can play against them fine. Immovable and detect pot make them no issue, but that's not the point. They still will be the strongest class by a long shot next patch.
Just because you put fact after something doesn't make it so. Sorcs only stay there in pve thanks overload, yet are exceptionally strong in pvp and usually don't use overload. You can't compare the two.
By the way, you cannot count blazing shield as anything. NBs do have damage mitigation. The spammable dps of a stam Nb procs shadow barrier... Dark cloak gives 8% reduces damage, a class dodge chance and cloak itself.
How do people honestly think stam NBs aren't op? Do people even play other classes?
I play all the classes (in both stamina & magicka). For my magicka templar, stamina nightblades are the easiest class to beat. I'd also like to see a stamina nightblade beat an equally skilled stamina DK in a 1v1 - it just doesn't happen.
Stamina nightblades currently excel at one thing and one thing only: ganking.
I believe the main reason people think they're "overpowered" is because they're so popular.
And here's the thing:
Stamina nightblades aren't popular because they're "overpowered" - they're popular because people like playing "assassins" & "rogues" in MMOs.
This is -and has been- the case in pretty much every MMO released.Edited by DDuke on May 10, 2016 1:07PM2 -
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From my PoV nightblades have invisibility to fulfill their "hidden role" and it allows to get hidden in a middle of a fight also negating 50% of damage.Sugaroverdose wrote: »
And it's good, at least they are restricted to get 2H if they want to sit in invisibility 100% of times. Giving nightblades unrestricted buff will make them all 100% DW+Bow gankingSugaroverdose wrote: »
But DK already have it, there's no reason to grant night blades full featured unrestricted hidden buffs or they will newer get out from invis, just oneshot everything around.Nothing. Every nightblade ability does not need to have a subsidiary effect to it like it already currently does. Be thankful with it now scaling with mighty and move on haha seriously though, nightblade is the only class in the game that LITERALLY every ability has multiple effects to it.
I would rather have the Igneous Weapons, which literally does nothing but grant Major Brutality to stam DKs - than a Power Extraction that I can't use from stealth and cant buff myself with without hitting a target and dealing a pitiful amount of damage compared to something like Steel Tornado.
I really don't understand the hate some people have towards Nightblades. It gets to the point where it just becomes counterproductive. If you don't buff the underutilized skills, the one shot gank builds with Vigor & Rally are going to be all you see when it comes to NBs.
They already do that by equipping a 2H weapon and using Rally/Forward Momentum.
What this does is that it pigeonholes pretty much all NBs into sneaking around with a big 2H weapon and limits the amount of build variety you can have.
So in your opinion, it makes sense that a stealth class is "supposed to" use a big 2H weapon to fulfill their role?
I guess you haven't played many RPGs...
And how is it good for the gameplay that every NB you meet is using that 2H for Rally? Do you perhaps like them roll dodging & cloaking around and then healing back to full health with it? I don't see the harm in allowing other playstyles to exist as well - especially when those playstyles fit their archetype much better than sneaking around with a big heavy 2H axe.
Also, your argument about "100% NBs going Bow/DW" is -quite frankly- bollocks.
What about the NBs who want to play with 2H weapon, just as I'd like to play with DW/Bow? Oh right, they can still do that & be just as effective (or even more effective, Rally heal is strong - same as Forward Momentum next patch).
Even if that was the case & "100% NBs went Bow/DW", it'd make hell of a lot more sense than them sneaking around with a two-hander.
Also i do think that any buff should break hidden state it's just ridiculous that someone sit hidden on flat field, next second he activates something like lightning form and still no-one can see him.Edited by Sugaroverdose on May 10, 2016 1:09PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Check this out:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/263525/power-extraction-needs-to-be-modified-to-become-a-valid-choice-for-aoePower Extraction needs some changes to become a decent choice for an AoE. All current stamina nightblades now opt for Steel Tornado as the main source of AoE damage. Power Extraction lacks a lot in comparison to Steel Tornado, which has higher range, similar base damage, scales as an execute and also costs lesser after 2 skillpoints in Controlled Fury passive of DW abilities.
Power Extraction can be made more of a valid choice for Stamina Nightblades by making it a bit more unique by modifying it to
- Deal Physical/Disease damage
- Dealing 8-12% more damage per enemy hit
- Buffing players with Minor Force and Minor Expedition instead of the current Major Brutality.
- Costing slightly lesser or similar to Steel Tornado with the DW cost reduction passive.
Let's compare this idea of Power Extraction with Steel Tornado.
Steel Tornado will still hit harder with its high scaling as an execute and can reach 120% extra damage on low health targets. Steel Tornado would still have higher range.
This new version of Power Extraction will get an 12-72% extra damage depending on targets hit, which would be around 36% at an average.
But, the unique factor would be the fact it would provide two uncommon Minor buffs rather than one easily accessible Major buff. That would also make it similar to its magicka alternative, Sap Essence, which also provides two buffs.
This would allow current stamina builds to be more varied by giving them a decent choice for AoE and there would be lesser people using Steel Tornado as an all purpose AoE.0 -
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✭✭✭Give it major or minor mending.So the magica version heals you while the stam version helps your healing.
Night blades absolutely should under no circumstance have native access to major mending. You can't on the one hand be the dps oriented class with the best active and passive abilities in the game for dealing damage, and then think it's ok to have the hallmark tanking passive that sets DKs and Templars apart. Don't get carried away now you gankers.1 -
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✭✭Give it major or minor mending.So the magica version heals you while the stam version helps your healing.
Night blades absolutely should under no circumstance have native access to major mending. You can't on the one hand be the dps oriented class with the best active and passive abilities in the game for dealing damage, and then think it's ok to have the hallmark tanking passive that sets DKs and Templars apart. Don't get carried away now you gankers.
I have to agree. Would be cool, but does blur the lines between the classes too much.
Now what was that minor debuff that increases damage taken? HmmmmmmmKena
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✭The base skill drain power needs to give majory brutality (and sorcery for sap) on cast, without hitting a target.
Then we can talk.Bosmer Stamina NB
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✭IDK if it needs any more buffs. If the move behaves similarly to Sap Essence, its good as is. No one has seemed to mention yet that Drain Power/Morphs can target and damage enemies when they are roll dodging, and when they go into stealth it pops them out of it. The ability being able to hit roll dodgers is a big deal. If Power Extraction gets buffed with some of the suggestions listed it would probably be a little over the top.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on May 10, 2016 2:00PM1 -
zerosingularity✭✭✭✭Since it is a class skill, it can be used on a 2H bar instead of cleave, or any bar really. There is utility in it not being tied to any weapon type.
Also, doesn't disease proc a healing debuff? Seems like a small healing debuff from an AoE skill is pretty god in PvP.
Not only that but it gives Major Brutality, which means you don't need Rally in many situations. Seems pretty good to me.NA-PC
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✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »IDK if it needs any more buffs. If the move behaves similarly to Sap Essence, its good as is. No one has seemed to mention yet that Drain Power/Morphs can target and damage enemies when they are roll dodging, and when they go into stealth it pops them out of it. The ability being able to hit roll dodgers is a big deal. If Power Extraction gets buffed with some of the suggestions listed it would probably be a little over the top.
I was not aware of this actually.
Maybe the skill isn't *that* bad if that's true, though NBs still lack a way of pre-buffing Major Brutality without having to slot a 2H weapon.
I think the skill would be fine if it allowed you to get the Major Brutality without hitting a target (and didn't break stealth if it hit no one).1