Critical surge..stamsorc.

olsborg · May 2016

I just healed myself for 5546hp twice during a 3 second period in pvp:):):)

Birdovic · May 2016

olsborg wrote: »

I just healed myself for 5546hp twice during a 3 second period in pvp:):):)

You named the thread "Crit Surge". Did you achieve those heals WITH crit surge? Sounds more like you used the new Dark Exchange o_o

olsborg · May 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I just healed myself for 5546hp twice during a 3 second period in pvp:):):)

You named the thread "Crit Surge". Did you achieve those heals WITH crit surge? Sounds more like you used the new Dark Exchange o_o

No I didnt, heal was with surge.

Erock25 · May 2016

So what happened? Lots of points into healing received CP or what?

AfkNinja · May 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

So what happened? Lots of points into healing received CP or what?

healing done plus healing received maybe?

Edit: the healing amount doesn't add up unless Surge is ignoring battle spirit???

DDragon · May 2016

While the value of 3000 is flat, it can still crit. I tested it without any CP and sometime heal was for 4.5k. Dunno whether it's spell of weapon crit.

PainfulFAFA · May 2016

Surge is gonna be soo gud.

edit:

AfkNinja wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

So what happened? Lots of points into healing received CP or what?

healing done plus healing received maybe?

It was probably a crit heal.

Birdovic · May 2016

olsborg wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I just healed myself for 5546hp twice during a 3 second period in pvp:):):)

You named the thread "Crit Surge". Did you achieve those heals WITH crit surge? Sounds more like you used the new Dark Exchange o_o

No I didnt, heal was with surge.

Just tested myself, and yeah it crits. Preeetty interesting^^

Erraln · May 2016

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

olsborg · May 2016

Erraln wrote: »

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

I had 6% into blessed and 1% into that red recovery thingy, surge heal is not affected by battlespirit while in cyrodiil.

PainfulFAFA · May 2016

Erraln wrote: »

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

For all we know, this dude could have 35k stam and 50% crit so those surge heals seem accurate to me.

AfkNinja · May 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

I had 6% into blessed and 1% into that red recovery thingy, surge heal is not affected by battlespirit while in cyrodiil.

This could make it interesting.

Erraln · May 2016

olsborg wrote: »

I had 6% into blessed and 1% into that red recovery thingy, surge heal is not affected by battlespirit while in cyrodiil.

Huh. I wonder if that's purposeful.

Erock25 · May 2016

olsborg wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

I had 6% into blessed and 1% into that red recovery thingy, surge heal is not affected by battlespirit while in cyrodiil.

That's gotta be a bug

Birdovic · May 2016

I dont know if this is intended or a bug but:

It seems Crit Surge is considered a SPELL CRIT.

Putting points into Elfborn DID increase the Heals.

With putting points into Precise Strike, the Heals DID NOT increase.

This must be changed to Power Surge being affected by Elfborn and Crit Surge being affected by Precise Strikes!

@ZOS_GinaBruno could you please help us out with that Question?

olsborg · May 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Erraln wrote: »

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

For all we know, this dude could have 35k stam and 50% crit so those surge heals seem accurate to me.

It was a pts-char with lousy stats, not that it matters, the heal from surge and crit surge are fixed value.

edited for profanity

Emma_Overload · May 2016

Erraln wrote: »

Sounds like Major Mending, 100 Blessed 100 Quick Mending 66 Elfborn, and then a couple things besides.

Yep. Spamming Resto heavy attacks is going to be something you see Sorcs doing to heal up fast at no cost.

Birdovic · May 2016

I'll be a little cheeky and dare to repeat myself, because this seriously needs attention, in my opinion.

I dont know if this is intended or a bug but:

Critical Surge:

With putting POINTS INTO PRECISE STRIKE, the HEALS DO NOT INCREASE

With putting POINTS INTO ELFBORN, the HEALS DO INCREASE

This needs to be changed, so
- Power Surge(Morph which Magicka Sorc will use) is affected by Elfborn
and
- Crit Surge(Morph which Stamina Players will use) is affected by Precise Strikes

@ZOS_GinaBruno Could you please clarify if thats intended?

Sublime · May 2016

Just so everybody knows, Surge and it's morphs currently ignores Battle Spirit.

Jim_Pipp · May 2016

I'm so ridiculously excited about this change, my first character in pre release was a khajiit stsmsorc built around crit surge, and I love the build but it was always too broken, especially because you couldn't use dot's. I occasionally try and play that character but never got past vet 4. This update I bet they are then only toon I play- I'm currently focusing on getting vet 16 briarheart gear for them to grow into. Really excited.

Birdovic · May 2016

Sublime wrote: »

Just so everybody knows, Surge and it's morphs currently ignores Battle Spirit.

Thats the reason its not useless in PvP, lets hope it stays like that.

olsborg · May 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Just so everybody knows, Surge and it's morphs currently ignores Battle Spirit.

Thats the reason its not useless in PvP, lets hope it stays like that.

Critsurge too strong atm and pwersurge too weak. If they put battlespirit on it I fear both will be too weak and pwrsurge will be a joke.

ADarklore · May 2016

I think I figured out why ZOS made this change to Surge... they're tired of Magicka Sorcs running around with DW/Destro setup... so they're forcing players to Destro/Resto instead.

Tyrannitar · May 2016

Is anyone in this thread V16? Because 6k health over 3 seconds is paltry compared to what's currently availble.

Not to mention battle spirit hasn't taken effect on surge yet in pvp.

Not to mention this crit surge patch is the biggest nerf to the class since 1.5 when they did the same thing... At least then it was still reliant on damage done.

Tyrannitar · May 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Just so everybody knows, Surge and it's morphs currently ignores Battle Spirit.

Thats the reason its not useless in PvP, lets hope it stays like that.

Yo, it's still useless in PvP.

Currently, even shields can be crit in PvP and the amount hps I put out from surge has dropped drastically...

This a buff for anyone who isn't at endgame and it's a nerf for anyone who is.

Problem with that? Once again, stam sorc is nerfed into oblivion and now have the lowest sustainability and dps. Thankfully we've got higher movement speed, but that's about it.

Ie., when your flying blade/ light attack combo heals you for 6k and it's done in less than a second, you'll understand why this is a nerf. Work on getting 3.5k + weap damage and above a 70% crit.

Until then, you'll think it's a buff.

Tyrannitar · May 2016

olsborg wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Just so everybody knows, Surge and it's morphs currently ignores Battle Spirit.

Thats the reason its not useless in PvP, lets hope it stays like that.

Critsurge too strong atm and pwersurge too weak. If they put battlespirit on it I fear both will be too weak and pwrsurge will be a joke.[/qu

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

I'm so ridiculously excited about this change, my first character in pre release was a khajiit stsmsorc built around crit surge, and I love the build but it was always too broken, especially because you couldn't use dot's. I occasionally try and play that character but never got past vet 4. This update I bet they are then only toon I play- I'm currently focusing on getting vet 16 briarheart gear for them to grow into. Really excited.

Don't bother on the briarheart.... It's a dps drop compared to even hundings and Night mother's.

Cool concept on the set, but you'd legitimately pull more self heals and do more dps with v14 ravagers...

I've tested this extensively and I pinky promise briar < ravagers/ nightmothers

Jar_Ek · May 2016

Depends on play style. Using DoTs that will crit every second can be better than wb spam was simply due to the chance of missing a crit and a 12k heal. It is also better for lower damage tankier builds. But for a pure dps build it is a hps loss in many situations.
Having had a quick think it could be awesome for hybrids... If only they were viable.

RoyJade · May 2016

In ve, it's a pure hps loss, but in pvp it's not. Most hit won't heal you for 3k heal in pvp actually, but with this change we can get a better sustain. Sad that other build has been nerfed, especially 2H and pve who will probably be at the same place dual wield is in pvp actually…

Surge should really heal without cooldown on every direct hit/dot. But even like this, that's tank build who will be screwed.

Brutusmax1mus · May 2016

Healing for 3k a second is strong since it applies to dots which happen during cc, repositioning, and running away.

olsborg · May 2016

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Healing for 3k a second is strong since it applies to dots which happen during cc, repositioning, and running away.

Critsurge heals for more then 3k, thats just the base heal, wich is then boosted by cp or other factor, aswell as crit, and currently isnt affected by battlespirit.

Brutusmax1mus · May 2016

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