Vicious Death Bug

Arethan09

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno

I just wanted to say that i've had now sever duel in Cyrodill with people with vicious death set... And if i did not understand wrong in case of MY Death vicious death should deal an AOE dmg?...

Well if that is like this then why do i also recieve DMG from the vicious death set in duels ? with no one around me ?

Suppose this is a bug.

Thx for the answer.

FortheloveofKrist

Arethan09 wrote: »

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno

I just wanted to say that i've had now sever duel in Cyrodill with people with vicious death set... And if i did not understand wrong in case of MY Death vicious death should deal an AOE dmg?...

Well if that is like this then why do i also recieve DMG from the vicious death set in duels ? with no one around me ?

Suppose this is a bug.

Thx for the answer.

It procs at 20% health, it seems. So it's functioning currently as an execute. Kinda sucks, really.

HuawaSepp

It's the lag in Cyrodiil. The set does proc if you are dead.
ZOS already said that it works like intended.

If you use addons like FTC, LUI, AUI you could see it.

NovaShadow

HuawaSepp wrote: »

It's the lag in Cyrodiil. The set does proc if you are dead.
ZOS already said that it works like intended.

If you use addons like FTC, LUI, AUI you could see it.

There's videos showing it proc at 20% health.

byCrux

I hope this isn't intended, I get killed by the sorriest people lol, they'll just be on defense until I get to low health, and boom 15k vd, and some other execute

KramUzibra

Iv 1v1'd with no one around me just me and my opponent and before I died it finished me for 15k. I thought it only procs on a death?

Arethan09

byCrux wrote: »

I hope this isn't intended, I get killed by the sorriest people lol, they'll just be on defense until I get to low health, and boom 15k vd, and some other execute

Happens to me too...

And it can't be that i have on my Killing Screen from ZOS itself that VD killed me or did around 13k dmg. While i was alone with no friend around

I mean the set is a great idea for zergbombing but i doubt that it works as they intend it to work

Pepper8Jack

Arethan09 wrote: »

byCrux wrote: »

I hope this isn't intended, I get killed by the sorriest people lol, they'll just be on defense until I get to low health, and boom 15k vd, and some other execute

Happens to me too...

And it can't be that i have on my Killing Screen from ZOS itself that VD killed me or did around 13k dmg. While i was alone with no friend around

I mean the set is a great idea for zergbombing but i doubt that it works as they intend it to work

ZOS has come out and confirmed that its proccing correctly, and technically it showing up on your death recap is an unintended side effect of the way it procs.

Best I can tell, it procs when your health reaches a certain threshold ~0%. So technically speaking you aren't dead yet, so it still registers on your recap. You recap also shows how much damage the proc would have done IF you were at full health, but in actuality it may have only done 1 point of damage to your health.

In other words, it isn't doing 15k to you, and it procs when you are so low in health the game registers you as dead (which is affected by lag obviously).

Rohamad_Ali

It's been proven on video in slow motion . It's absolutely bugged .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278&ebc=ANyPxKrBUDsFPZ1ySxS-3tjdkwPiPPftNpR1WIhz1U7SgnsF164aa6HAOA3sD0mnPbuq4ytPOLDoX08nINrkqIyx7PrfcKFxog


ZOS can make mistakes .

bowmanz607

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

It's been proven on video in slow motion . It's absolutely bugged .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278&ebc=ANyPxKrBUDsFPZ1ySxS-3tjdkwPiPPftNpR1WIhz1U7SgnsF164aa6HAOA3sD0mnPbuq4ytPOLDoX08nINrkqIyx7PrfcKFxog


ZOS can make mistakes .

Could be a health desync. Would like to see more trials on this rather than the one. I have never come across this in my testing. I wonder if there might be some bug with the ability being used in conjunction with VD? I just used light attacks in my testing.

Sharee

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

It's been proven on video in slow motion . It's absolutely bugged .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278&ebc=ANyPxKrBUDsFPZ1ySxS-3tjdkwPiPPftNpR1WIhz1U7SgnsF164aa6HAOA3sD0mnPbuq4ytPOLDoX08nINrkqIyx7PrfcKFxog


ZOS can make mistakes .

The guys health bar is showing 132 HP when he is already dead -> his HP bar does not show his accurate HP info (health bar desync)

Only thing the video proves is that health bar desyncs still happen.

D0ntevenL1ft

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

It's been proven on video in slow motion . It's absolutely bugged .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRnfs6Hq278&ebc=ANyPxKrBUDsFPZ1ySxS-3tjdkwPiPPftNpR1WIhz1U7SgnsF164aa6HAOA3sD0mnPbuq4ytPOLDoX08nINrkqIyx7PrfcKFxog


ZOS can make mistakes .

Could be a health desync. Would like to see more trials on this rather than the one. I have never come across this in my testing. I wonder if there might be some bug with the ability being used in conjunction with VD? I just used light attacks in my testing.

This. Things can't be proven off one example although the video is interesting and does raise suspicion. Hoping someone does testing maybe with a non flame or DOT ability.

AshTal

We all know VD is buggy as hell but for some reason zenimax refuse to believe it.

Sunburnt_Penguin

So I've just watched a video of me last night where I seemingly exploded with ~30% health remaining.

I've just used the combat text to work it out (health - damage + healing) and the animation and damage showed up before I was actually at zero health but just after the final blow came which killed me.

I don't believe it's bugged.

Chain of events for anyone interested. Arsed uploading a video and all that.

TequilaFire

I must be a zerg of one! lmao

NovaShadow

Those that use it will defend its broken executing.

Those that keep dying to it as an execute, not a UI error, insist it is broken.

You won't win this argument. No amount of videos will sway anyone nor ZOS. As long as ZOS keeps saying its not broken these threads will get us no where.

Rather than 'fixing' it, it should be removed completely and the reason it was implemented actually get attention.

xblackroxe

NovaShadow wrote: »

Those that use it will defend its broken executing.

Those that keep dying to it as an execute, not a UI error, insist it is broken.

You won't win this argument. No amount of videos will sway anyone nor ZOS. As long as ZOS keeps saying its not broken these threads will get us no where.

Rather than 'fixing' it, it should be removed completely and the reason it was implemented actually get attention.

Why remove it from the game? It does exactly what its supposed to do. Melts Zergs. And all those argument about how Zergs use it against Zergs most of the time those people wouldn´t stand a chance anyway.

failkiwib16_ESO

..that video showing it in slow motion is good but not enough information to determine wether it is true or not. The DK uses a dot, it would be nice to view this whole thing from the other persons perspective and if the DK didn't use a dot skill.

Wether they use animation cancelling and I don't see the incomming damage, get lag, health bar desync, I have dots on me, my FTC is slow at updating etc.
..all possible things considered, I still die unexpectedly toward opponents using Vicious Death set than opponents who don't. I tend to believe it is bugged, but I have no proof and I honestly hope that I am mistaken.

Arethan09

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Well seeing this, i prefer that a VD procs when i am actually dead... and not seeing it on my death recap.

Because of the video of Roehamad_Ali, we can clearly see that his opponent is above 15 percent and then suddendly it makes BOOM and the dude dies... the Embers slash is not the cause of death because when he hits him again he is above 4k health and the slash makes a crit of 1.6k so in theory he should have 2.5k left.

And this happens to me so many times. Exactly what happens in this video.

So it would be amazing to have either a statment of @ZOS_GinaBruno or @Wrobel to clear things up, it is not as a critiziscm from my part but maybe an aclaration with a sticky threat on frequent bug questions. It seems atm that VD is buggy in my eyes at least but hey i can absolutely be mistaken.

Ah and if I mention you guys i just have to say: Thank you for the amazing progress in Dark Brotherhood and the hell lot of work you have put in this game the past year, after the hard times ZOS has gone through in the past it is impressive, keep up the good work.

NovaShadow

xblackroxe wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

Those that use it will defend its broken executing.

Those that keep dying to it as an execute, not a UI error, insist it is broken.

You won't win this argument. No amount of videos will sway anyone nor ZOS. As long as ZOS keeps saying its not broken these threads will get us no where.

Rather than 'fixing' it, it should be removed completely and the reason it was implemented actually get attention.

Why remove it from the game? It does exactly what its supposed to do. Melts Zergs. And all those argument about how Zergs use it against Zergs most of the time those people wouldn´t stand a chance anyway.

Remove it & Proxy. Both were introduced to combat zergs but have only sent PVP further downhill. Instead of combating the issues at hand they keep adding more broken things.

I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I died to VD in a zerg. I've lost count of the amount of times I died to it as an execute completely solo. It is broken. I even had it proc on me twice one day from the same guy at exactly the same time. It needs to be fixed, but this is ZOS so it'll take months before they even admit its broken then 6-12 more before it gets 'fixed'.

WillhelmBlack

I have numerous videos as evidence, it procs on you around 20% 1v1.

D0ntevenL1ft

NovaShadow wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

Those that use it will defend its broken executing.

Those that keep dying to it as an execute, not a UI error, insist it is broken.

You won't win this argument. No amount of videos will sway anyone nor ZOS. As long as ZOS keeps saying its not broken these threads will get us no where.

Rather than 'fixing' it, it should be removed completely and the reason it was implemented actually get attention.

Why remove it from the game? It does exactly what its supposed to do. Melts Zergs. And all those argument about how Zergs use it against Zergs most of the time those people wouldn´t stand a chance anyway.

Remove it & Proxy. Both were introduced to combat zergs but have only sent PVP further downhill. Instead of combating the issues at hand they keep adding more broken things.

I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I died to VD in a zerg. I've lost count of the amount of times I died to it as an execute completely solo. It is broken. I even had it proc on me twice one day from the same guy at exactly the same time. It needs to be fixed, but this is ZOS so it'll take months before they even admit its broken then 6-12 more before it gets 'fixed'.

Here's a tip; don't Zerg and you won't die from it? You're basically saying you're mad because it's doing it's job and forcing people like you to spread out or be dynamite.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I have numerous videos as evidence, it procs on you around 20% 1v1.

Then post them and provide information and evidence to the devs so if it is broken it can get proven and fixed ASAP.

Sunburnt_Penguin

Arethan09 wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Well seeing this, i prefer that a VD procs when i am actually dead... and not seeing it on my death recap.

Because of the video of Roehamad_Ali, we can clearly see that his opponent is above 15 percent and then suddendly it makes BOOM and the dude dies... the Embers slash is not the cause of death because when he hits him again he is above 4k health and the slash makes a crit of 1.6k so in theory he should have 2.5k left.

And this happens to me so many times. Exactly what happens in this video.

So it would be amazing to have either a statment of @ZOS_GinaBruno or @Wrobel to clear things up, it is not as a critiziscm from my part but maybe an aclaration with a sticky threat on frequent bug questions. It seems atm that VD is buggy in my eyes at least but hey i can absolutely be mistaken.

Ah and if I mention you guys i just have to say: Thank you for the amazing progress in Dark Brotherhood and the hell lot of work you have put in this game the past year, after the hard times ZOS has gone through in the past it is impressive, keep up the good work.

I have a few issues with Ali's video which IMO question the legitimacy of the "proof":
1. You don't see how he got his health down before the video starts nor is there a recap from the other person which cannot be balanced to damage given/received before the VD damage shows. This would indisputably rule out a health desync and solidify the bug. Not providing these numbers when it's been the sole counterargument since this has arisen is peculiar IMO.
2. Ali has a YouTube channel with regular ESO content so a possible false representation on something as big as this in the community would be a good way to boost views and promote his channel.

Ali, apologies for questioning your integrity but there's just too many variables and questions for me to consider this legitimate proof.

WillhelmBlack

D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

NovaShadow wrote: »

Those that use it will defend its broken executing.

Those that keep dying to it as an execute, not a UI error, insist it is broken.

You won't win this argument. No amount of videos will sway anyone nor ZOS. As long as ZOS keeps saying its not broken these threads will get us no where.

Rather than 'fixing' it, it should be removed completely and the reason it was implemented actually get attention.

Why remove it from the game? It does exactly what its supposed to do. Melts Zergs. And all those argument about how Zergs use it against Zergs most of the time those people wouldn´t stand a chance anyway.

Remove it & Proxy. Both were introduced to combat zergs but have only sent PVP further downhill. Instead of combating the issues at hand they keep adding more broken things.

I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I died to VD in a zerg. I've lost count of the amount of times I died to it as an execute completely solo. It is broken. I even had it proc on me twice one day from the same guy at exactly the same time. It needs to be fixed, but this is ZOS so it'll take months before they even admit its broken then 6-12 more before it gets 'fixed'.

Here's a tip; don't Zerg and you won't die from it? You're basically saying you're mad because it's doing it's job and forcing people like you to spread out or be dynamite.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I have numerous videos as evidence, it procs on you around 20% 1v1.

Then post them and provide information and evidence to the devs so if it is broken it can get proven and fixed ASAP.

I would if requested, I would have 6 months ago when I actually cared about the well being of PvP.

Rohamad_Ali

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Arethan09 wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Well seeing this, i prefer that a VD procs when i am actually dead... and not seeing it on my death recap.

Because of the video of Roehamad_Ali, we can clearly see that his opponent is above 15 percent and then suddendly it makes BOOM and the dude dies... the Embers slash is not the cause of death because when he hits him again he is above 4k health and the slash makes a crit of 1.6k so in theory he should have 2.5k left.

And this happens to me so many times. Exactly what happens in this video.

So it would be amazing to have either a statment of @ZOS_GinaBruno or @Wrobel to clear things up, it is not as a critiziscm from my part but maybe an aclaration with a sticky threat on frequent bug questions. It seems atm that VD is buggy in my eyes at least but hey i can absolutely be mistaken.

Ah and if I mention you guys i just have to say: Thank you for the amazing progress in Dark Brotherhood and the hell lot of work you have put in this game the past year, after the hard times ZOS has gone through in the past it is impressive, keep up the good work.

I have a few issues with Ali's video which IMO question the legitimacy of the "proof":
1. You don't see how he got his health down before the video starts nor is there a recap from the other person which cannot be balanced to damage given/received before the VD damage shows. This would indisputably rule out a health desync and solidify the bug. Not providing these numbers when it's been the sole counterargument since this has arisen is peculiar IMO.
2. Ali has a YouTube channel with regular ESO content so a possible false representation on something as big as this in the community would be a good way to boost views and promote his channel.

Ali, apologies for questioning your integrity but there's just too many variables and questions for me to consider this legitimate proof.

I understand the skepticism and respect the need for more investigation . I did not make the video , It was listed as free to share . The owners name is listed on YouTube .

My own experience , along with this video have brought me to the conclusion VD is bugged . I've had it proc and fire on my toon from a treb attack that didn't even do enough damage to clear my health bar to 20% . This was a stone treb with no dot mind you . I honestly believe The Devs need to look harder in the code for VD . I'm not alone with these experiments . I hope more players will record vid , pics and experiences with VD so this can get resolved .

I'm not calling anyone out as a backer of VD for exploit or blaming any player for using a part of the game . I just want real answers .

swirve

Seriously ppl still crying about this...i have it but dont run it and i believe ZoS over the it killed me its broken lot.

I expect most players who died by VD supposedly were getting beaten on anyways.

PurifedBladez

Idk why you guys want to defend ZoS on this.. Its without a doubt bugged. I'm not dead before and then it procs and my health bar just melts.. so yeah.

Sunburnt_Penguin

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Arethan09 wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Well seeing this, i prefer that a VD procs when i am actually dead... and not seeing it on my death recap.

Because of the video of Roehamad_Ali, we can clearly see that his opponent is above 15 percent and then suddendly it makes BOOM and the dude dies... the Embers slash is not the cause of death because when he hits him again he is above 4k health and the slash makes a crit of 1.6k so in theory he should have 2.5k left.

And this happens to me so many times. Exactly what happens in this video.

So it would be amazing to have either a statment of @ZOS_GinaBruno or @Wrobel to clear things up, it is not as a critiziscm from my part but maybe an aclaration with a sticky threat on frequent bug questions. It seems atm that VD is buggy in my eyes at least but hey i can absolutely be mistaken.

Ah and if I mention you guys i just have to say: Thank you for the amazing progress in Dark Brotherhood and the hell lot of work you have put in this game the past year, after the hard times ZOS has gone through in the past it is impressive, keep up the good work.

I have a few issues with Ali's video which IMO question the legitimacy of the "proof":
1. You don't see how he got his health down before the video starts nor is there a recap from the other person which cannot be balanced to damage given/received before the VD damage shows. This would indisputably rule out a health desync and solidify the bug. Not providing these numbers when it's been the sole counterargument since this has arisen is peculiar IMO.
2. Ali has a YouTube channel with regular ESO content so a possible false representation on something as big as this in the community would be a good way to boost views and promote his channel.

Ali, apologies for questioning your integrity but there's just too many variables and questions for me to consider this legitimate proof.

I understand the skepticism and respect the need for more investigation . I did not make the video , It was listed as free to share . The owners name is listed on YouTube .

My own experience , along with this video have brought me to the conclusion VD is bugged . I've had it proc and fire on my toon from a treb attack that didn't even do enough damage to clear my health bar to 20% . This was a stone treb with no dot mind you . I honestly believe The Devs need to look harder in the code for VD . I'm not alone with these experiments . I hope more players will record vid , pics and experiences with VD so this can get resolved .

I'm not calling anyone out as a backer of VD for exploit or blaming any player for using a part of the game . I just want real answers .

Ah okay, I watched the video on YouTube as I wanted to ensure I had the highest quality possible so all comments relating to the video are aimed at the creator, not yourself

I previously thought it was bugged (from my own experience) but last night I decided to watch my death back and balance everything before the VD damage proc (see a previous post, above). Basically it all tied in and the VD animation & damage values were just visual errors. Whether or not this goes for all my previous deaths and those of others who haven't worked it out, I don't know. I just know that it was in this case.

Rohamad_Ali

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Arethan09 wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Well seeing this, i prefer that a VD procs when i am actually dead... and not seeing it on my death recap.

Because of the video of Roehamad_Ali, we can clearly see that his opponent is above 15 percent and then suddendly it makes BOOM and the dude dies... the Embers slash is not the cause of death because when he hits him again he is above 4k health and the slash makes a crit of 1.6k so in theory he should have 2.5k left.

And this happens to me so many times. Exactly what happens in this video.

So it would be amazing to have either a statment of @ZOS_GinaBruno or @Wrobel to clear things up, it is not as a critiziscm from my part but maybe an aclaration with a sticky threat on frequent bug questions. It seems atm that VD is buggy in my eyes at least but hey i can absolutely be mistaken.

Ah and if I mention you guys i just have to say: Thank you for the amazing progress in Dark Brotherhood and the hell lot of work you have put in this game the past year, after the hard times ZOS has gone through in the past it is impressive, keep up the good work.

I have a few issues with Ali's video which IMO question the legitimacy of the "proof":
1. You don't see how he got his health down before the video starts nor is there a recap from the other person which cannot be balanced to damage given/received before the VD damage shows. This would indisputably rule out a health desync and solidify the bug. Not providing these numbers when it's been the sole counterargument since this has arisen is peculiar IMO.
2. Ali has a YouTube channel with regular ESO content so a possible false representation on something as big as this in the community would be a good way to boost views and promote his channel.

Ali, apologies for questioning your integrity but there's just too many variables and questions for me to consider this legitimate proof.

I understand the skepticism and respect the need for more investigation . I did not make the video , It was listed as free to share . The owners name is listed on YouTube .

My own experience , along with this video have brought me to the conclusion VD is bugged . I've had it proc and fire on my toon from a treb attack that didn't even do enough damage to clear my health bar to 20% . This was a stone treb with no dot mind you . I honestly believe The Devs need to look harder in the code for VD . I'm not alone with these experiments . I hope more players will record vid , pics and experiences with VD so this can get resolved .

I'm not calling anyone out as a backer of VD for exploit or blaming any player for using a part of the game . I just want real answers .

Ah okay, I watched the video on YouTube as I wanted to ensure I had the highest quality possible so all comments relating to the video are aimed at the creator, not yourself

I previously thought it was bugged (from my own experience) but last night I decided to watch my death back and balance everything before the VD damage proc (see a previous post, above). Basically it all tied in and the VD animation & damage values were just visual errors. Whether or not this goes for all my previous deaths and those of others who haven't worked it out, I don't know. I just know that it was in this case.

No doubt Man it works properly sometimes and I've seen it blast big groups around me . I do honestly believe though there are these WTH? moments happening though when it's not working properly .

An I don't really care if it is a execute as long as the tooltip states that and warns players . I made a thread asking for developers to please fix the death recap screen as well but it fell on deaf ears I think . We only have so many tools and we need them to work to make good criticisms that are valid .

Sharee

PurifedBladez wrote: »

Idk why you guys want to defend ZoS on this.. Its without a doubt bugged. I'm not dead before and then it procs and my health bar just melts.. so yeah.

I never saw any proof of it being bugged that couldn't be just as well be explained as a health desync.

Your health "just melts" because the UI was giving you wrong info about how much health you have left.

You have 20000 health, you get hit for 15000 and it fails to register on your health bar(desync), you think you still have full life, you get hit by a 5K hit, die, then wonder WTF just killed me, i took a 5K hit and my full health bar disappeared, must have been that VD proc i see on my death recap!

Rune_Relic

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

Arethan09 wrote: »

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno

I just wanted to say that i've had now sever duel in Cyrodill with people with vicious death set... And if i did not understand wrong in case of MY Death vicious death should deal an AOE dmg?...

Well if that is like this then why do i also recieve DMG from the vicious death set in duels ? with no one around me ?

Suppose this is a bug.

Thx for the answer.

It procs at 20% health, it seems. So it's functioning currently as an execute. Kinda sucks, really.

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/World+Skills

I am wondering if they just hijacked the code used for the soul shatter passive.....or the two are conflicting.

I stopped using soul shatter years ago because I found myself dying at 20%