Open Letter to ZOS about Riding Skills Drudge

Shimmer

Be thankful its like it is now. In the olden days we had to level EACH horse..... and it could only really be super fast, sprint longer, or bag space. So i had a bag space horse, a super fast horse....

Keep it the way it is.

WalkingLegacy

Miszou wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It doesn't need to be account wide, they just need to let you buy more than 1 a day. It's ridiculous.

It takes time to train a horse. You can't just feed it more until it runs faster - it has to develop strength and stamina over time.

If that were the case, I would just drag my bloated overweight carcass to the gym this afternoon and be ripped by supper time. It ain't gonna work like that.

Let's not blend real life in with a video game. Especially since most of the game doesn't account for most things IRL.

My horse doesn't eat $250 dollars worth of alfalfa (who am I kidding, she's eating grass hay right now) every 20 hours either.

My *** cows don't even eat that much a day.

The horse system here sucks. It's that simple.

Gidorick

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

This would directly harm my personal enjoyment of ESO. I have purposefully not maxed out all of my riding skills on my main and alts. I like that they play a little differently.

I don't WANT all of my characters to be the same... same CPs... Same Costumes available... Same Mounts available. At least with riding skills I can make them feel a little different when riding around.

#StopTheHomogony

Now... I'm not one to say MY play style is more important than YOUR play style, I could get behind a Crown Store item that is only purchasable by players who have maxed out their riding skills on one character. This item would automatically raise all the riding skills of all your existing characters to max. Maybe it would even apply to new characters too.

I'd be more than happy with that solution... I just don't want ZOS to impose your play preferences on all of us. They've done enough of that already.

I'm struggling to understand your argument. If ZOS made riding skills operate the way champion points operate, then couldn't you simply choose not to put the points into the riding skills of the character's you want "to be different?"

If we make riding skills like champion points, then we have the option to put all (or none) of the riding skill points on every character. Think about it like this... No one is forcing you to spend your champion points. Why do you assume that making riding skills account wide (like champion points) would force you to spend your riding skill points?

The OP isn't suggesting riding skills operate as Champion Points, where you are allowed to bank then spend them at will. @GrumpyDuckling is suggesting they are account wide. Changing the system so that the points are earned and spent separately would require a COMPLETE retooling of the system and if ZOS was going to do that I would prefer they do the following:

• Change Riding Skills BACK to Mount Skills.
• Sell two versions of all mounts in the Crown Store
  • A new, trainable version
  • A fully trained version

This would actually get me to buy more mounts. The only reason I ever get a new mount is because it comes in the DLC collectors pack.

emily3989

Miszou wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It doesn't need to be account wide, they just need to let you buy more than 1 a day. It's ridiculous.

It takes time to train a horse. You can't just feed it more until it runs faster - it has to develop strength and stamina over time.

If that were the case, I would just drag my bloated overweight carcass to the gym this afternoon and be ripped by supper time. It ain't gonna work like that.

But a lvl 1 naked character can carry 12,000 iron ingots.

Yea, let's reach for reality some more...

D0ntevenL1ft

Miszou wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It doesn't need to be account wide, they just need to let you buy more than 1 a day. It's ridiculous.

It takes time to train a horse. You can't just feed it more until it runs faster - it has to develop strength and stamina over time.

If that were the case, I would just drag my bloated overweight carcass to the gym this afternoon and be ripped by supper time. It ain't gonna work like that.

Are you talking about reality in a game where meteors fall from the sky onto people and others cloak into thin air? I'm no physics professors but I am pretty sure things don't work like that either..

Gidorick

Sylance9 wrote: »

Be thankful its like it is now. In the olden days we had to level EACH horse..... and it could only really be super fast, sprint longer, or bag space. So i had a bag space horse, a super fast horse....

Keep it the way it is.

I miss those days @Sylance9

DaveMoeDee

Sylance9 wrote: »

Be thankful its like it is now. In the olden days we had to level EACH horse..... and it could only really be super fast, sprint longer, or bag space. So i had a bag space horse, a super fast horse....

Keep it the way it is.

While I prefer to keep it as is, it was better before for people like the OP. You maxed out your horse in 60 days, not 180. With the current system, you need at least 120 days to reach parity with the majority of people who have maxed stamina and speed. Carrying capacity isn't really relevant as it is just a convenience item (though it is what I always prioritize).

Sure, it was annoying when I had to clear inventory and swap horses for Cyrodiil and I never had any stamina on any horse and horseriding while my storage horse was insanely slow -- but it was the norm and not a big deal.

idk

OP. You purposely choose to avoid talking about the riding lessons in the crown shop. They are there for the very reason you started this thread.

You cannot start a conversation and specifically place off limits the obvious solution Sos has provided. Any other solution is not going to happen for the same obvious reasons. Zos is here to make real money.

Next? Happy to bring this conversation to conclusion.

Curtdogg47

I think the option should be there for people that don't want to retrain a horse for a second time.

prax07

Training one point per day, to me, was an idiotic thing to put into a game. I ride the heck out of my horse, that should up the riding skill, not paying 250g once a day at any random stable for one point.

emily3989

How about once you get a horse to 180, all subsequent horses have their timers halved (10 hrs?)

I just started a new toon this weekend and his horse is 1% (the idea of logging into all toons on a daily basis just to train a horse is not appealing to me).

I actually liked it, it made me feel like I really was starting out again. I mean, everyone has different reasons for leveling alts, but I do it for the fun - so it was kind of refreshing. For those that want to get max lvl quick and fetch skyshards, yes, this could be very annoying.

Sallington

emily3989 wrote: »

How about once you get a horse to 180, all subsequent horses have their timers halved (10 hrs?)

I just started a new toon this weekend and his horse is 1% (the idea of logging into all toons on a daily basis just to train a horse is not appealing to me).

I actually liked it, it made me feel like I really was starting out again. I mean, everyone has different reasons for leveling alts, but I do it for the fun - so it was kind of refreshing. For those that want to get max lvl quick and fetch skyshards, yes, this could be very annoying.

Between work, sleeping, and daily life, a 10hr timer is still once a day for most people.

Gothlander

Instead of 1% a day make it 5% a day. That way it doesnt take us two months just to have 60% riding speed. It will only take us like 2 weeks buying it at 5% a day.

KingWhyteboi

Mojmir wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Riding upgrades for the impatient are available in the store.

can we get some horseshoes too, so riding over a pebble doesnt slow my 500+ lb. horse down every 5 seconds.

this 100%

Sallington

What they SHOULD do, is have CP nodes for mount speed, stamina, etc. to take the place of the crazy 25% damage and regen gains. Make it more utility and QoL over combat, but that's a whole other discussion entirely.

Katahdin

It takes six months to max a horse.....SSSIIIXXX MONTHS.
IF you log in EVERY...SINGLE...DAY....

I can max that character to V16 3 times in that time frame....its insane!

I would be happy with letting us do one of each skill line (1 speed, 1 stamina and 1 storage) every day so it would take 2 months instead of dragging out for 6 freaking months.

WalkingLegacy

Gothlander wrote: »

Instead of 1% a day make it 5% a day. That way it doesnt take us two months just to have 60% riding speed. It will only take us like 2 weeks buying it at 5% a day.

It really should be in chunks. 1% increases are not felt, or seen. It's insignificant.

They should be sold as chunks of 20%.

Amateur
Novice
Expert

Increase the cost per set, with no timer cooldown. Lock it behind in game gold.

Amateur should be scaled so a level 10ish or 15ish can afford.

Novice should be around mid game affordable. Like 30ish.

And Expert should be 'end game' level 50 cost.

jcaceresw

If not account wide, I would like however the option to pay all the riding lessons in one gold transaction per riding skill. Say I create a new character, go to stable, select horse and pay all the 60 skill points on bag space in a one time 15,000 gold transaction. This will avoid me the hastle of going everyday to stable and buy a slot per day.

flguy147ub17_ESO

Very simple why they wont. They make money on riding skills on the crown store.

Gidorick

I have a question for anyone who has bought the riding skills from the Crown Store... can you buy as many as you want? Can you buy enough to take a character from no riding skills to full riding skills immediately?

Valrien

Gidorick wrote: »

I have a question for anyone who has bought the riding skills from the Crown Store... can you buy as many as you want? Can you buy enough to take a character from no riding skills to full riding skills immediately?

Yeah

Ritzey01

Seriously? Now you want this just given to you also? I hate /cry threads.

Valrien

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Seriously? Now you want this just given to you also? I hate /cry threads.

I really don't see the issue of making it account wide. It's a longer grind than 501 CP and CP are account wide.

Katahdin

Gidorick wrote: »

I have a question for anyone who has bought the riding skills from the Crown Store... can you buy as many as you want? Can you buy enough to take a character from no riding skills to full riding skills immediately?

18000 crowns.
@$150

rotaugen454

Or you can do it like I did for 8 characters. One day at a time for 6 months.

alexkdd99

Miszou wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

It doesn't need to be account wide, they just need to let you buy more than 1 a day. It's ridiculous.

It takes time to train a horse. You can't just feed it more until it runs faster - it has to develop strength and stamina over time.

If that were the case, I would just drag my bloated overweight carcass to the gym this afternoon and be ripped by supper time. It ain't gonna work like that.

Well why can't I just share my already trained horse with my other characters. I see no reason why I can't drop my trained horse off at stable and pick it up with my alt.

Gidorick

Valrien wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I have a question for anyone who has bought the riding skills from the Crown Store... can you buy as many as you want? Can you buy enough to take a character from no riding skills to full riding skills immediately?

Yeah

Katahdin wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I have a question for anyone who has bought the riding skills from the Crown Store... can you buy as many as you want? Can you buy enough to take a character from no riding skills to full riding skills immediately?

18000 crowns.
@$150

Ok... but it CAN be done. This makes this whole thread moot.

The conversation should be to ask ZOS to make Crown Store riding lessons account wide. Pay $150 and all 8 of your characters, and any other characters you might ever make, should have maxed out Riding Skills.

alexkdd99

The fact that so many people are against account wide horses confuses me. Do you really enjoy walking to the stable and hitting train every day? And for the argument that horses can't instantly be trained, I don't want to instantly train my horse although the crown store thinks you can instantly train horses. I just want to share my prized horse with my other character. I think majority are against account wide horses simply because they already have theirs maxed out on alts.

GrumpyDuckling

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

OP. You purposely choose to avoid talking about the riding lessons in the crown shop. They are there for the very reason you started this thread.

You cannot start a conversation and specifically place off limits the obvious solution Sos has provided. Any other solution is not going to happen for the same obvious reasons. Zos is here to make real money.

Next? Happy to bring this conversation to conclusion.

The reason I didn't bring microtransactions into the discussion is because it's a 'slippery slope' type of discussion. It opens a whole can of worms about what is or is not legitimate to charge for microtransactions. I think it's obvious where I stand on riding skills being tied to microtransactions, so why would I want to keep talking about it? That would be beating a dead horse (ba-dum!)

Some advice: I would be careful calling microtransactions a "solution" for an in-game mechanic. That's an even more slippery slope.

Gidorick

alexkdd99 wrote: »

The fact that so many people are against account wide horses confuses me. Do you really enjoy walking to the stable and hitting train every day? And for the argument that horses can't instantly be trained, I don't want to instantly train my horse although the crown store thinks you can instantly train horses. I just want to share my prized horse with my other character. I think majority are against account wide horses simply because they already have theirs maxed out on alts.

I certainly don't have all my skills maxed out @alexkdd99 . I don't even make it a point to go to the stables every play session. I let it happen naturally and fluidly. It's more fun to me that way and more rewarding.

The simple fact is... if you don't like training your horse every day, ZOS has provided a method by which you can skip the process of upgrading your mount. You don't want to do that? Fine... upgrade your mount daily.

Asking for a third option would do three things

• Make some players happy that their skills are account wide
• Make some players sad that their skills are account wide
• Devalue the Crown Store riding lessons.

Since the first two are in DIRECT opposition of one another, they just cancel each other out as points of argument. That means we are left with Devaluing the Crown Store riding lessons, which would make ZOS less money.

Now, why in the light of Magnus, would ZOS ever do that?

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

OP. You purposely choose to avoid talking about the riding lessons in the crown shop. They are there for the very reason you started this thread.

You cannot start a conversation and specifically place off limits the obvious solution Sos has provided. Any other solution is not going to happen for the same obvious reasons. Zos is here to make real money.

Next? Happy to bring this conversation to conclusion.

The reason I didn't bring microtransactions into the discussion is because it's a 'slippery slope' type of discussion. It opens a whole can of worms about what is or is not legitimate to charge for microtransactions. I think it's obvious where I stand on riding skills being tied to microtransactions, so why would I want to keep talking about it? That would be beating a dead horse (ba-dum!)

Some advice: I would be careful calling microtransactions a "solution" for an in-game mechanic. That's an even more slippery slope.

So why didn't you make a thread about how the Crown Store Riding Lessons is an inadequate solution to the whole Riding Lesson "problem" that you (but not everyone) perceives?