Thews of the Harbinger set

Soris

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I like the idea but this set have major MAJOR flaws in it. A health stacked build have almost no stamina to block attacks in first place. Even if it had stamina, the damage is extremely low. 4% of a 50k health build is around 2.3k. And this is just a tooltip damage. It is reduced by battle spirit, likewise it can be mitigated by armor/blocking etc. So in practice you only do like 200 dmg with it.

Damage should be much greater and it should be excluded from battle spirit. Also the blocking part should changed into something else. My suggestion is "when damaged, you deal damage equal to your 10% of your health to anyone around. 5 meter radius, 4 second cooldown."

@ZOS_GinaBruno

DDuke

Soris wrote: »

image from @Hamrb

I like the idea but this set have major MAJOR flaws in it. A health stacked build have almost no stamina to block attacks in first place. Even if it had stamina, the damage is extremely low. 4% of a 50k health build is around 2.3k. And this is just a tooltip damage. It is reduced by battle spirit, likewise it can be mitigated by armor/blocking etc. So in practice you only do like 200 dmg with it.

Damage should be much greater and it should be excluded from battle spirit. Also the blocking part should changed into something else. My suggestion is "when damaged, you deal damage equal to your 10% of your health to anyone around. 5 meter radius, 4 second cooldown."

@ZOS_GinaBruno

You know, unless this set has a cooldown, it's deceptively good actually when you take into account animation canceling & multiple people hitting you.

It could definitely be interesting on a Blazing Shield templar... you wouldn't block while using Blazing Shield of course, but you'd block while you wait for magicka to regen.

Also worth considering is that it not only deals damage, but mitigates it as well as people wont want to spam attacks at you after taking enough damage from the set.


There is one downside though... if I'm reading the tooltip correctly, it wont work at all against Jabs or Sweep, or Flurry (if anyone actually uses that in PvP)

Soris

Yes i made this topic with blazing shield in mind. Currently this set offer not much for that build. You might want to waste your stamina on bone shield stack with blazing and you will have better result than this set. You will have better protection and better damage and that damage is aoe.

As i said in the op, damage is so low considering you lose +-2k stamina for each block.

DDuke

Soris wrote: »

Yes i made this topic with blazing shield in mind. Currently this set offer not much for that build. You might want to waste your stamina on bone shield stack with blazing and you will have better result than this set. You will have better protection and better damage and that damage is aoe.

As i said in the op, damage is so low considering you lose +-2k stamina for each block.

Well... after Battle Spirit it should be returning around 2k'ish dmg from one DPS rotation.

Considering you're blocking, that'd mean your opponent takes more dmg than you do :P


Maybe the set is better for a stam DK though, as they have an easier time keeping stamina up while blocking.

Soris

It's actually 1k'ish dmg after battle spirit (with 50k health). You lose more stamina than you do damage. Of course you take less damage due to blocking but still it requires 5 armor slots for such pitiful bonus. I mean, compare this to vicious death...or any other meta sets.

Whole work load behind this set, all those tinkering and coding are just wasted.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Soris wrote: »

It's actually 1k'ish dmg after battle spirit (with 50k health). You lose more stamina than you do damage. Of course you take less damage due to blocking but still it requires 5 armor slots for such pitiful bonus. I mean, compare this to vicious death...or any other meta sets.

Whole work load behind this set, all those tinkering and coding are just wasted.

Its so frustrating to see so many "hit and a miss" sets added to the game. That crafted set that gives you aoe when blocking is also terrible. Tanks have been wanting a good set since footman is no longer max level and they keep coming out with lackluster stuff like this.

This idea is awesome and unique but as everyone has pointed out, too many flaws.

artal

I see this set being interesting vs weaving attacks. La+ransack+bash combo should return 3 hits. I think its bit tough to adjust it to be decent and not op. Also can dmg crit?
And idk why I thought its 6% not 4%... well maybe its 5% as gold gear

Soris

Thanks for the bump! This set still needs a lot of work. It has no use in its current state. I mean come on, medum armor version of this, is the Twin Sisters, and it is miles better dmg wise and it doesn't requires full health stacked build.

You just added a dead set to the game.

Bashev

I agree that this set is badly designed. It should be changed to "when you receive damage", not when you block. Devs can copy the skills that trigger fasala set and make the same mechanic for this set.

vpadget9592b14_ESO

Make it 4% of health damage when hit with 1 second cooldowns. Then it would be worth it. Just make sure it does not proc dots.

mneimneh_ESO

Make it oblivion damage. =D

THE_BIG_BOSS

Nice necro

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

How does this have almost 8k views?

Soris

Nice necro indeed xD

Joosef_Kivikilpi

4% of CURRENT health... meaning it is useless when you start getting low health. GG EZ on useless. Don't worry - I had dreams for it too.

Crixus8000

This set is so bad still, could be fun with a change though.

Waffennacht

@RouDeR broke 2 mill damage in BGs using this set.

Pre artic Nerf though

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Arctic Blast needs unnerf. and this set needs a buff.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I tried this with a 65K Blazing Shield build, a 50k Turtle Tank DK, a 50k Shadow Tank and a 60k Warden. This set paired Night Terror or Twin Sisters depending on if you have a shield or block build and it’s really just not worth it.

The longer the fight the more damage you lose from your main set. The damage is not that great to start.

PS4_ZeColmeia

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

I tried this with a 65K Blazing Shield build, a 50k Turtle Tank DK, a 50k Shadow Tank and a 60k Warden. This set paired Night Terror or Twin Sisters depending on if you have a shield or block build and it’s really just not worth it.

The longer the fight the more damage you lose from your main set. The damage is not that great to start.

I think to even remotely get the value you have to go argonian/Nord, tri stat everything, ice and shield staff and go Onigrum's + troll king with invigorating traits + triune . Generally to get any value you have to have near full health and have to restore the off blocking stat.

It's a lot of dedication to such a low output. Really needs a 10% of max health or a passive reduction to block cost to make it more workable IMHO.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

This has been around since Dark Brotherhood. Congrats everyone, you found the set the Blazing Shield Templars used to use years ago

Edit: wtf, a necro thread? -_-

Soris

And it keeps getting nerco'ed each month xD Thanks a lot guys, maybe Zos will update it for the sake of the new necromancer class. ^_^

Shado_of_Light

But 100% seriously, this set.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

This set is broken. There was a span in BGs where stamden were running this bulking 1+mil damage and healing (pre tree nerfs). It’s very good but when people realize what you’re running they’ll just stop targeting you so you have to provide group utility’s outside the set damage to be effective.