Why is there not a jail in this game?

Serenityx

It would appease many of the skyrim fans who play this game and I'm tired of being forced to log out of a character until bounty goes away if I don't have the gold on hand to pay it...

Van_0S

Because Its a MMO.....

Ackwalan

Who would want to log in, just to sit in a jail?

Gidorick

Jails could totally work in an MMO... Why not in ESO? Because ESO is TES "lite"

Tandor

There are jails in the game, just not for the Justice System. I've certainly been in one of them.

Raz got me out

petraeus1

Ackwalan wrote: »

Who would want to log in, just to sit in a jail?

They could change it easily.

Now when you're 'arrested' you can flee or pay the bounty. What if paying the bounty was replaced by an option to bribe the guard (= bounty + 200g extra or something) and the default was to go to jail until you paid the bounty. In jail you could pay the bounty, lose all your stolen stuff and be on your way, or use the 1 lockpick you find in your cell to break out and retrieve everything while not paying your bounty. It would be another stealth mini-game similar to a heist, just naked until you got your stuff. SeemsGood.

Edit: I vaguely remember ZOS stating they wanted to give Enforcers their own Towers, similar to the Refuges, as part of the Justice PvP System. While that is scrapped, it was presumably scrapped long after they started working on it. They might have some assets already in place. Those towers would potentially be a great fit for a jail.

Tandor

Ackwalan wrote: »

Who would want to log in, just to sit in a jail?

But think of the potential for the Crown Store to sell "Get out of jail free" cards !

Deceptive_Yoshi

Ever since this war started it doesn't look like we take prisoners anymore.

WalkingLegacy

Razum-Dar breaks you out of jail many times in AD story.

Enodoc

Jail time wouldn't work in a persistent world setting, as you can't just "black out" the scene to allow time to pass like you do in other TES games. What we need for ESO is Community Service.

IrishGirlGamer

Tandor wrote: »

There are jails in the game, just not for the Justice System. I've certainly been in one of them.

Raz got me out

I was thinking the same thing ...

Also, there a very annoying jail in the White Gold Tower ...

UltimaJoe777

Because kids kept egging prisoners so they got rid of jails and kids.

Serenityx

You can use lockpicks to get out, and your bounty is cleared once you are in jail. You keep all your lock picks on you, instead of just having one. Implement a sleep option that takes 30 seconds or so that basically just speeds up the time in which your bounty decreases dramatically, but doesn't actually change the in game time.

It seems a better alternative to being farmed by guards/being forced out of areas/ultimately having to just logout until your bounty goes away if your on an alt that doesn't have any gold or if you just don't have the gold on hand and can't use the banker after fleeing.

Meh, not a big deal. Just wondering, why not? And because it's an MMO is clearly not a reason "not" because of the above listed alternative.

NewBlacksmurf

There is jail tho....Raz'un Dar kept bailing me out while in AD
Maybe the DB can play more into the existing cells when caught by a guard...instead of being killed, we could be jailed.
Caught....load screen and be outside the closest existing jail vs just being killed on site for stealing.

Now if u kill....yep...guards should hunt you down and assault or kill you too but jail would make better sense. @ZOS_RichLambert

Abeille

I would like if there was a jail. It would be nice if it was a place where the bounty would lower even faster than if you are logged out. Maybe we could even attempt to escape.

Serenityx

Abeille wrote: »

I would like if there was a jail. It would be nice if it was a place where the bounty would lower even faster than if you are logged out. Maybe we could even attempt to escape.

That's something I had not thought of. Instead of a sleep option, the bounty just decreases much faster. I still think a sleep option would be good to go alongside all of it.

NewBlacksmurf

Serenityx wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I would like if there was a jail. It would be nice if it was a place where the bounty would lower even faster than if you are logged out. Maybe we could even attempt to escape.

That's something I had not thought of. Instead of a sleep option, the bounty just decreases much faster. I still think a sleep option would be good to go alongside all of it.

How would sleep work in the MMO server?
Curious honestly cause you could be on to something big

Enodoc

Serenityx wrote: »

Implement a sleep option that takes 30 seconds or so that basically just speeds up the time in which your bounty decreases dramatically, but doesn't actually change the in game time.

Serenityx wrote: »

That's something I had not thought of. Instead of a sleep option, the bounty just decreases much faster. I still think a sleep option would be good to go alongside all of it.

That is the exact problem with the "persistent world" thing I mentioned before. If you could just "Press E twice to clear bounty" (that's "Go to Jail" and "Use Bedroll"), no player would ever have a bounty again. They'd just keep using that 30-second option to clear their entire bounty.

zZzleepyhead

that seems like a great addition! maybe it'll come with player housing!

Serenityx

Enodoc wrote: »

Serenityx wrote: »

Implement a sleep option that takes 30 seconds or so that basically just speeds up the time in which your bounty decreases dramatically, but doesn't actually change the in game time.

Serenityx wrote: »

That's something I had not thought of. Instead of a sleep option, the bounty just decreases much faster. I still think a sleep option would be good to go alongside all of it.

That is the exact problem with the "persistent world" thing I mentioned before. If you could just "Press E twice to clear bounty" (that's "Go to Jail" and "Use Bedroll"), no player would ever have a bounty again. They'd just keep using that 30-second option to clear their entire bounty.

Well, they'd still have all of their stolen items removed and the inconvenience of having to go to a jail (probably would mean a loadscreen as well) and then get out and run back to their previous location. Players would still be paying bountys..and the sleep option obviously would not affect the actual server clock. I don't see how it would affect the "persistent world" thing you mention at all?

Bookwyrm

Serenityx wrote: »

It would appease many of the skyrim fans who play this game and I'm tired of being forced to log out of a character until bounty goes away if I don't have the gold on hand to pay it...

I really think this should be an addition to thievery/murder/etc.

Not the "waiting it out" bit but I think that it could be an awesome "minigame" thing.

When caught by the guard, you can "pay your fine" or "go to jail." If you pay your fine, life goes on as it always does in ESO.

If you choose "go to jail," however, you are whisked away to the nearest prison cell. Now you have an opportunity to escape! Put it on a timer like with heists, and you have X amount of minutes to escape your cell (given 1 lockpick or something like that) and find the "evidence chest" that contains your stolen loot--gold and all. If you succeed at getting out of your cell and out of jail with your loot, you get to keep it and no bounty paid!

If time runs out or if you get caught, you have to pay your fine and lose all your loot as always.

Maybe even for the duration of the "in jail" time, you lose access to your gear/potions (you don't lose them, but they get hidden on your character behind a prison "uniform" and you can't use them) to increase the challenge (no invisibility pots to make it easier).

Basically, either way, there's no "lasting damage" done but you get a fun break from the typical "pay your fine or die" and "always lose your stuff."

Edit to add that maybe you could be given a dagger or something that, if caught, you could attack the guards with to try to continue your escape, although your bounty would increase if you fail to get out after killing a guard. I don't know, but I think it would just like to see a bit of traditional ES play when it comes to jail.

petraeus1

Enodoc wrote: »

Serenityx wrote: »

Implement a sleep option that takes 30 seconds or so that basically just speeds up the time in which your bounty decreases dramatically, but doesn't actually change the in game time.

Serenityx wrote: »

That's something I had not thought of. Instead of a sleep option, the bounty just decreases much faster. I still think a sleep option would be good to go alongside all of it.

That is the exact problem with the "persistent world" thing I mentioned before. If you could just "Press E twice to clear bounty" (that's "Go to Jail" and "Use Bedroll"), no player would ever have a bounty again. They'd just keep using that 30-second option to clear their entire bounty.

Why does it have to be like that? They could implement jails differently, as in my post above. There's no need for it to work exactly like in the single player games.

nordsavage

No thanks.

NewBlacksmurf

Bookwyrm wrote: »

Serenityx wrote: »

It would appease many of the skyrim fans who play this game and I'm tired of being forced to log out of a character until bounty goes away if I don't have the gold on hand to pay it...

I really think this should be an addition to thievery/murder/etc.

Not the "waiting it out" bit but I think that it could be an awesome "minigame" thing.

When caught by the guard, you can "pay your fine" or "go to jail." If you pay your fine, life goes on as it always does in ESO.

If you choose "go to jail," however, you are whisked away to the nearest prison cell. Now you have an opportunity to escape! Put it on a timer like with heists, and you have X amount of minutes to escape your cell (given 1 lockpick or something like that) and find the "evidence chest" that contains your stolen loot--gold and all. If you succeed at getting out of your cell and out of jail with your loot, you get to keep it and no bounty paid!

If time runs out or if you get caught, you have to pay your fine and lose all your loot as always.

Maybe even for the duration of the "in jail" time, you lose access to your gear/potions (you don't lose them, but they get hidden on your character behind a prison "uniform" and you can't use them) to increase the challenge (no invisibility pots to make it easier).

Basically, either way, there's no "lasting damage" done but you get a fun break from the typical "pay your fine or die" and "always lose your stuff."

Edit to add that maybe you could be given a dagger or something that, if caught, you could attack the guards with to try to continue your escape, although your bounty would increase if you fail to get out after killing a guard. I don't know, but I think it would just like to see a bit of traditional ES play when it comes to jail.

Pay fine or go to jail - yes

Actually be placed in cell - no
Mini game with lock pick/evidence chest - no
The world would have many players trying this all at once so it becomes a issue.

At the most, I think going to jail vs being killed is how it should work. Load screen and appear outside of cell, run out and keep playing with the same negative results as today.

Epona222

Not in ESO, don't like the idea at all (the ones Raz somehow got me incarcerated in and then broke me out of were quite enough for me thank you).

I do look forward to starting TESVI as a prisoner, which will inevitably be the case as there are traditions to uphold. But not in ESO.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Enodoc wrote: »

Jail time wouldn't work in a persistent world setting, as you can't just "black out" the scene to allow time to pass like you do in other TES games. What we need for ESO is Community Service.

Who says anything about time passing? you commit the crime you pay the Time and you sit there for several hours until you served your sentance, it might help cut down on these players who keep going around killing NPCs, infact here is a better idea, have it so you get thrown in the stocks and other players can throw eggs and tomatoes at your character.

Serenityx

Can those opposed to a jail option explain why they are opposed rather than "because it's an MMO" or just "not in TESO?"

I don't see how it would really effect you at all since it is just an extra option all you have to do is pay your bounty and your back on your way. Why does the idea of others using the jail option bother you at all?

I'd also like to note I'm not asking for this for "immersion" purposes or "because skyrim had it" I just hate occasionally not being able to pay the bounty for whatever reason and then being stuck in the "pay or die or log out" loop.

Epona222

There is no "pay or die or log out" loop - use one of those stealth potions that you get out of the thieves troves and sprint to the nearest body of water where the guards can't follow you. Then do some delves or a group dungeon or go to Cyrodil (where there is no justice system) until your bounty expires. Or you can use an edict or several to clear a bounty.

Duiwel

OP has never played AD storyline...

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Don't you think there are enough jails on the planet already?

We'd better start eradicating hardcore criminals.
Advantages: TONS.

Hmmm, we could make sausages from them.
I mean, the game supports cannibalism, right? :P

SantieClaws

Because if Tamriel had jails then Khajiit would never be able to post here!

Yours with innocent paws
Santie Claws