Official Discussion Thread for "Dark Brotherhood: First Look"

TatsukageX

@ZOS_GinaBruno excuse me for asking this, but why is PvP so ignored? I mean am I the only one here disappointed that the "Dark Brotherhood DLC" isn't bringing some form of mini PvP? like 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? or a PvP bounty system? HELLO! THE DB IS A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING CRIMINAL TO PLAY IT RIGHT, LIKE KILL OTHER PLAYERS?

doesn't anyone agree with me? I love ESO but the only reason I don't play much is that there is only one option for PvP, I am a PvP oriented player and this sadness is making me miss Azeroth...I used to rock the battle grounds and arenas there.

darkstar2084

@TatsukageX You are not the only one this would of been the perfect dlc to introduce arena/dueling, the districts pvp is nice but not enough imo

sebban

No new 4-man dungeons?

Saltypretzels

Eshelmen wrote: »

Excellent post and a great amount of details to tease us with. Thank you.

My question is for the crafting bags.Are these limited? What's the max items they can hold? And will you guys finally allow siege equipment to stack now too?

Crafting bags-- Rich Lambert talks briefly about these in a recent ESO Live. From what he said, I expect that if you pick up any item that normally goes into the crafting subcategory in your inventory, it automatically goes into this bag, and is automatically shared with all your characters, and doesn't affect your character's carrying capacity.

Though it can't really be unlimited, right? Because I can see people having thousands of stacks of iron ingots, for example.Maybe you can only have a few stacks of any particular ingredient. Clarification here would be nice.

SpazzmanNDQ

TatsukageX wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno excuse me for asking this, but why is PvP so ignored? I mean am I the only one here disappointed that the "Dark Brotherhood DLC" isn't bringing some form of mini PvP? like 1v1, 2v2, 3v3? or a PvP bounty system? HELLO! THE DB IS A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING CRIMINAL TO PLAY IT RIGHT, LIKE KILL OTHER PLAYERS?

doesn't anyone agree with me? I love ESO but the only reason I don't play much is that there is only one option for PvP, I am a PvP oriented player and this sadness is making me miss Azeroth...I used to rock the battle grounds and arenas there.

Agreed I really though there might be assassination bounties in PVP. Though I guess it would be hard to implement cause the player could just hide until the time wore off or get killed by another player before you could figure out where they were. The DB is looking like TG clone which is disappointing .

Saltypretzels

Enodoc wrote: »

I hope district capture is for all districts and not just 3...

Why would you even think 3? Do you know something?

reften

Ghostbane wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

Still no pvp-update, nice!

You seen the IC stuff.. right?

IC is 95% PvE.

PvP'ers are leaving because of lag and lack of content.

This is another PvE update. That's fine, will continue to wait and play other games in theh opes that some day the lag is fixed

Gridian

Hats! xD

Seriously though, this sounds like an awesome update. It seems that I chose the perfect time to end my over-a-year-absence and return to Tamriel.

Yours,

Gridian

Ser Lobo

I am excited, because that almost looked like an assassination animation there. And if they can add those (the lack of one-shot finishers in this game sometimes hurts my little killer's feelings), then they might one day go full bore and add epic finishers for regular combat. Oh, how I miss the slow-motion in the head!

Unifying the inventory system (particularly for consoles) to use a left and right bumper control scheme, and auto-minimizing sub-categories so that we don't have to scroll through a million items to find that one woodworking upgrade material while we're trying to dump it in the bank? That would be nice icing on the cake.

As far as what many posters have said, I would love if the next expansion was focused on small-scale PvP. We get it. The lag generated by large scale battles between so many combatants is really pushing your playerbase away, but it's also part of your selling point. Don't ignore that. Just add small objective based battles with limtied teams of opponents. It's in ADDITION to what we currently have, not replacing it.

I don't know if I like fights with less than 4v4, but some 4v4v4 or 12v12 should be easy to handle, right?

srfrogg23

I'm looking forward to this, but I am curious about if anyone can say for sure, is the Gold Coast going to be a part of the Cyrodiil open world PvP zone? Or, is it going to be its own PvE instance zone like Hew's Bane and Orisinium?

Ghostbane

reften wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

Still no pvp-update, nice!

You seen the IC stuff.. right?

IC is 95% PvE.

PvP'ers are leaving because of lag and lack of content.

This is another PvE update. That's fine, will continue to wait and play other games in theh opes that some day the lag is fixed

District capture isn't satisfactory because ?

TatsukageX

@darkstar2084 true. massive RvR might not be perfect for everyone and I really hope ZoS don't miss their chance on this one.

SpazzmanNDQ wrote: »

Agreed I really though there might be assassination bounties in PVP. Though I guess it would be hard to implement cause the player could just hide until the time wore off or get killed by another player before you could figure out where they were. The DB is looking like TG clone which is disappointing .

@SpazzmanNDQ well, of course anything that limits player freedom is not good but there is an unlimited number of solutions and we can be creative about it.

for example, PvP On/Off toggle:
if you turn it on then you can attack other players except when inside major cities...but that will also make you open for being attacked by other players. if you kill/damage any player then a counter starts let's say at 72 hours untill you can turn off PvP again.

as for bounties, they should not be open to all players, but when accepted it should appear as a quest and on the map you can see a highlighted area to search for your target and YOU only can kill that player to receive the bounty. once a player is killed by a bounty hunter their PvP will be toggled off automatically and if they were killed by random players (not the bounty hunter) then PvP will remain ON and the counter will continue...that's a trade off a PvPer has to make to be able to kill other players.

Khamira

AWESOMEEE!!!

SpazzmanNDQ

Ghostbane wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

Still no pvp-update, nice!

You seen the IC stuff.. right?

IC is 95% PvE.

PvP'ers are leaving because of lag and lack of content.

This is another PvE update. That's fine, will continue to wait and play other games in theh opes that some day the lag is fixed

District capture isn't satisfactory because ?

I'm not even sure I understand what they mean like how would you capture the arena district for instance. All three factions have spawn points on top of sewer entrances and the doors leading to other districts. How exactly do you defend it from other factions. There are already arena district battles so is this their way of capitalizzing on something that happened organically and trying to give it a name?

Enodoc

Saltypretzels wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I hope district capture is for all districts and not just 3...

Why would you even think 3? Do you know something?

The original design for Imperial City featured three captureable districts: Memorial, Arboretum, and Nobles. Control of the district would regulate access to the crafting site within, as well as providing numerous bonuses. (But the original design for Imperial City contained a lot of things that never came to be; @Dominoid can probably link you to his datamining efforts which contains all this info.) If they are only implementing district capture as originally designed, then it will only be 3 districts. But I am hoping that they have redesigned it like they redesigned the rest of Imperial City (which is quite likely), so there is provision for it being different from the original design. But even with a redesign of the capture system mechanics, they may or may not have kept the setup where only three of the districts can be captured.

Bfish22090

i didnt see anything about race change/barber shop.
does this mean that wont be offered in DB?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

TatsukageX wrote: »

@darkstar2084 true. massive RvR might not be perfect for everyone and I really hope ZoS don't miss their chance on this one.

SpazzmanNDQ wrote: »

Agreed I really though there might be assassination bounties in PVP. Though I guess it would be hard to implement cause the player could just hide until the time wore off or get killed by another player before you could figure out where they were. The DB is looking like TG clone which is disappointing .

@SpazzmanNDQ well, of course anything that limits player freedom is not good but there is an unlimited number of solutions and we can be creative about it.

for example, PvP On/Off toggle:
if you turn it on then you can attack other players except when inside major cities...but that will also make you open for being attacked by other players. if you kill/damage any player then a counter starts let's say at 72 hours untill you can turn off PvP again.

as for bounties, they should not be open to all players, but when accepted it should appear as a quest and on the map you can see a highlighted area to search for your target and YOU only can kill that player to receive the bounty. once a player is killed by a bounty hunter their PvP will be toggled off automatically and if they were killed by random players (not the bounty hunter) then PvP will remain ON and the counter will continue...that's a trade off a PvPer has to make to be able to kill other players.

No. Just like with the justice system this is ripe for grief. As they said numerous times from now on PVP will remain in designated areas (i.e. cyrodill and IC which is in cyrodill). You will be killing NPCs. If you want to kill players there are already bounties in cyrodill for that.

wildbear247

Dominoid wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Umm, why will we have to spend additional money for motif previews?! This is to be in the crown store... you got to be kidding me. This should be implemented within base game patch... Or do I misunderstand something?

To clarify, you'll be able to preview what a motif from the Crown Store looks like on your character before you purchase it.

Surely this will eventually lead to a true crafting preview at the crafting stations . . . .

Yes please...this would be a cool feature.

I like the base game patch changes. The item trait changes could help reduce some grind which would be great. Would be really cool to have a new rare material that you can use to change the trait of an item (e.g. perhaps a material that is created by combining 2 tempering alloys, 2 dreugh wax, and 2 rosin).

Ghostbane

SpazzmanNDQ wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Fasold666 wrote: »

Still no pvp-update, nice!

You seen the IC stuff.. right?

IC is 95% PvE.

PvP'ers are leaving because of lag and lack of content.

This is another PvE update. That's fine, will continue to wait and play other games in theh opes that some day the lag is fixed

District capture isn't satisfactory because ?

I'm not even sure I understand what they mean like how would you capture the arena district for instance. All three factions have spawn points on top of sewer entrances and the doors leading to other districts. How exactly do you defend it from other factions. There are already arena district battles so is this their way of capitalizzing on something that happened organically and trying to give it a name?

This is the beauty of it, I am excited to see what they have came up with. Also what is the consequence of claiming a district for other factions.

TatsukageX

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

No. Just like with the justice system this is ripe for grief. As they said numerous times from now on PVP will remain in designated areas (i.e. cyrodill and IC which is in cyrodill). You will be killing NPCs. If you want to kill players there are already bounties in cyrodill for that.

No issue, PvP mini games then? a team guarding a target while another is on an assassination mission? or anything else...we need more PvP content....I am one of those who suffer huge lag in Cyrodill most of the time I have a BEAST of a computer and a good connection but massive PvP doesn't work for me.

Enodoc

@Ghostbane @SpazzmanNDQ If you're interested in how district capture could work, see my thread on District Control. If you're interested in how ZOS originally designed district capture, back before Tamriel Unlimited, search for @Dominoid 's datamining info.

LearnThis

YES! Base game patch!

Lightninvash

Khamira wrote: »

AWESOMEEE!!!

am I the only one creeped out by this?? it is just awful.

Smolt

This excites me. I'm excited now.

mrs_gibbs

I am super excited for the base game patch. Lots of things people have asked for. Good job ZOS!

I'm most excited for "Item locking to help prevent accidental deconstruction of your most valuable items."

Khaos_Bane

Please let this be better than TG.

Hopefully we won't get another completely useless skill line like that in TG.

Rex-Umbra

Epic sounding update but what about console text chat, dueling and cyrodiil town capture?

GrumpStump

I'm ready!!!!!


GrumpStump

EsoRecon

Zeni I really need to change my nightblade's race to imperial! Promise me race change pls

Tib

Enodoc wrote: »

Size-wise, the Gold Coast should be much bigger than Hew's Bane. I'm hoping that because of this, the Gold Coast will have its own storyline separate from the Dark Brotherhood story. The region is too big for its content to be entirely DB-centred. Hew's Bane, conversely, wasn't really big enough for its own storyline, and most of the TG story didn't leave Abah's Landing (and when it did, it was to the rest of Tamriel or its own instances).

I do hope so as well!

But, hmm this is so exciting, can't wait to hear more details about the DLC soon