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Official Discussion Thread for "Dark Brotherhood: First Look"

  • Ghostbane
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    Fasold666 wrote: »
    Still no pvp-update, nice!

    You seen the IC stuff.. right?
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  • ShadowHvo
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    Changes to vampire gameplay..

    Now you got me excited and worried!

    Can we get a sneakpeak?
    Edited by ShadowHvo on April 20, 2016 3:29PM
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  • SpazzmanNDQ
    I know mag DKs got a boost last update but it would be great if them finished them by adding a high damage skill and an execute.

    Easy fix would be to up the whip damage and have that be your high damage skill and change stone fist in to some sort of execute skill
  • ClockworkArc
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    I was not expecting so many awesome base game updates. This dlc is already 10x more exciting than Thieve's guild for me. I'm also really glad you've decided to go down the path to reinvigorate Craglorn.

    Can you please explain what is meant by rebalancing for the IC dungeons? I was more likely expecting a rebalance of the other four man dungeons to be provide a clearer take off honestly.
  • Ourorboros
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    Changes to traits: Does that mean garbage traits will become useful, or useful traits will become garbage? Or both? Happy to see some changes here, and hope they put some real thought into the changes.
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  • Lightninvash
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    I wonder what new pet we will get for playing the DB o.o it should be something awesome looking prob. Maybe it wont have such an odd noise as the ones so far from Wrothgar and TG
    Edited by Lightninvash on April 20, 2016 3:47PM
  • Cously
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    I'll do some lobby for my class:

    - Stam Whip + Buffed Damage both morphs
    - Execute
    - Some escape like bolt style but instead the DK leaves a fire trail on his path, similar to the crypt of hearts boss

    All changes are great so far, can't wait to nom on these patch notes.

    Question: Why VDSA, AA and HRC aren't mentioned in the scaling/rebalance?
    Question: Do you ever plan to complete veteran modes on the remaining grope dungeons?

    P.S.: I never planned to quit but this news just renewed my hopes on you!
  • BlueThingys
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno, When are you guys (if at all) planning on fixing the constant disconnects in Orsinium? I have to walk to turn in writs, i can't sprint, use my horse at all, open my menu, etc... If i do get lucky enough to turn in my writs, then i am faced with 10-15 disconnects until i can get out of Orsinium.
  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    • The removal of Veteran Ranks
    I feel like a 5 year old eating candy out of a bowl, and then a big mean hand suddently appears and grabs the bowl of candy and takes it away from me. :'(
    • Poison-Making, for those who want to be especially nasty to their enemies
    I fear it will bring us new exploits and bugs. At least from a crafters view the useless flowers will do good for more than just levelling a new alt in crafting.
    • Toggle-able nameplates for all characters
    I had to ask around to find out what this means, it's a huge bonus to roleplayers ^^
    • Further improvements and new features to the Grouping Tool including a group ready check, vote-to-kick system, and updated queue timer
    I can imagine a lot of trolling comming from the vote-to-kick system, as many players do dungeon runs with their friends and guildies, so this puts the players without a network of friends and guildies in a bad position in a group.
    - looking forward to see the new features of the grouping tool though.
    • Balance improvements to combat and gameplay abilities including the Fighters Guild skill line, Vampires and stamina abilities
    I fear this will bring us new exploits and bugs.
    • Sanctum Ophidia Trial scaling, rebalancing and the addition of a Normal and Veteran mode
    Thank you <3
    With normal mode, does that mean that non-veterans can enter Craglorn now or?
    • In addition, we have numerous changes and improvements for previous DLC game packs including a new District capture system for Imperial City, and rebalancing for the Imperial City dungeons.
    Well thank you, at least pvp players will get more incentive to pvp in IC, other than just ganking pve'ers. Wonderful news.
    Race change?
    Barber shop?
  • Elloa
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    code65536 wrote: »
    rebalancing for the Imperial City dungeons
    So, not only are we not going to get any new 4-man content, they're also gonna hit vWGT and vICP with the nerfhammer? :( (Unless by "rebalancing", they mean "buffing", but somehow I doubt that's what they meant.)

    4-person content is such a huge part of this game. It's a MMO, so why in blazes is there so much focus on solo questing in each update? And while I do enjoy running trials, most people in this game have a hard time getting together 12-person groups for that. But the 4-person content? That's fun group content (remember, this is a MMO!) that you can easily clobber together. And we haven't had any updates to 4-person content since the introduction of vICP and vWGT.

    So, no new 4-person content. No updates or scaling to vDSA. And now, it looks like we're likely to see nerfs to the only two pieces of challenging 4-person content in the game. Please, no.

    I'm a little bit worried on that one too.
    I know that ICP and WGT are hard dungeons that you skip when you randomly get them on a ALT character. Cause let's be honest, this is not something you want to do with your lowbie tank you are leveling in medium armor, with no undaunted skills, together with random Vet16 players that will be super pissed at you for failing miserably.
    BUT, that doesn't mean those 2 Dungeons need to be nerfed. NO. Remove them from the RANDOM rotation. That's all.
  • Eshelmen
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    Excellent post and a great amount of details to tease us with. Thank you.

    My question is for the crafting bags.Are these limited? What's the max items they can hold? And will you guys finally allow siege equipment to stack now too?
    Edited by Eshelmen on April 20, 2016 3:50PM
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  • StrangerTelvani
    I wish they will add violence to the game!
  • Dominoid
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    I wonder what new pet we will get for playing the DB o.o it should be something awesome looking prob. Maybe it wont have such an odd noise as the ones so far from Wrothgar and TG

    It's a Badger. (Seriously)

    I'm apparently wrong. There's a badger pet coming with DB I swear.

    Edited by Dominoid on April 20, 2016 4:02PM
  • Cinbri
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    "Balance improvements to combat and gameplay abilities including the Fighters Guild skill line, Vampires and stamina abilities"
    I hope it doesn't mean that magicka templars still will be just underdog class in PvP with useless skills and only best healbot builds.
    Edited by Cinbri on April 20, 2016 3:59PM
  • SpazzmanNDQ
    I know mag DKs got a boost last update but it would be great if them finished them by adding a high damage skill and an execute.

    Easy fix would be to up the whip damage and have that be your high damage skill and change stone fist in to some sort of execute skill

    I disagree with this. My Magicka DK is a nord (first character race mistake) so i don't get ANY benefits from those passives, but i am still pulling some amazing DPS. Buff the damage on the whip? It already hits for ~9-13k+ crits depending on gear and it's a fast spammable, on top of the several DoT's ticking away constantly. I love my magicka DK and do NOT want it to be buffed because it doesn't NEED it.

    It just sounds like you want yours buffed just because it's the class you play.

    Sorry I actually play NB this is my first DK and I haven't gotten him to vet ranks yet but when the other classes have high damage skill like Frags, Dark Flare, Merciless Resolve I look for that skill on my DK and it isn't there a 9k whip hit is cool but where is the burst in PvP you don't HV time to apply all your dots and hope they don't get cleansed or healed through. Sure you can talons a guy and spam whip but those skills aren't cheap.

    On my NB I can spam strife all day it only cost between 500-700 magicka depending on what I'm wearing. The cheap skill on DK is Burning Embers but is a super long dot. Maybe they don't need to change whip damage but in know Stone fist and Firery Breath are skills that aren't used that much so maybe one of those could be the burst skill.

    As far as execute goes I don't really care I don't use them excepts for RO on my Templar but it would be nice if all class had the same options.
  • kojou
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    What I am excited about:

    Craft Bags for ESO Plus members
    Sanctum Ophidia Trial scaling, rebalancing and the addition of a Normal and Veteran mode
    District capture system for Imperial City
    additional character slots (Time to level a Stamplar :smile: )

    What I am worried about:

    rebalancing for the Imperial City dungeons.
    Balance improvements to combat and gameplay abilities including the Fighters Guild skill line, Vampires and stamina abilities
    Improvements and adjustments to Item Traits

    What I am "meh..." about

    The removal of Veteran Ranks
    Poison-Making, for those who want to be especially nasty to their enemies
    A new passive skill line exclusive to members of the Dark Brotherhood

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    Please don't nerf VWGT. I like how hard it is right now. If anything it needs to be a little harder.

    Whenever I see the words "Balance Improvements" my first thought is what skills are they going to wreck this time.

    Maybe the new passives for DB will be more interesting than TG, but somehow I doubt it.
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  • Llevndryn
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    Goose bumps on my neck...
  • myrrrorb14_ESO
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    Dominoid wrote: »
    I wonder what new pet we will get for playing the DB o.o it should be something awesome looking prob. Maybe it wont have such an odd noise as the ones so far from Wrothgar and TG

    It's a Badger. (Seriously)

    It won't be a pet... ;)

    I'm guessing it's a giant Mudcrab mount.
  • Dominoid
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    Dominoid wrote: »
    I wonder what new pet we will get for playing the DB o.o it should be something awesome looking prob. Maybe it wont have such an odd noise as the ones so far from Wrothgar and TG

    It's a Badger. (Seriously)

    It won't be a pet... ;)

    Have we mentioned datamining isn't an exact science. ;-)
  • Latin
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    Not a big fan of stealth oriented, cloak and dagger gameplay, I hope there is more to the Dark Brotherhood DLC content than meets the eyes in the First Look teaser.

    All the costumes, motifs, titles, ranks and crown store cosmetics development are so superficial. I'd rather they focus on getting the mechanics and skill/class/race/content balancing right and solving the ongoing performance/latency issues instead.

    Removal of VR is the big one, they really need to get this right. It has to be more than just a name-change from Veteran Rank to Champion Level.

    SO scaling is encouraging, but again, would greatly depend on how the level scaling from the removal of VR turns out to be.

    There has been so many 'Cyrodiil performance improvements' over the past year or so, without much being particularly noticeable. As such the phrase has lost all meanings to me. Somewhere, there is still a glimmer of hope, but that's all it is.

    I wonder what 'toggle-able nameplates' entail. Implied name-change on the horizon?

    Item traits adjustments are probably long overdue.

    I wonder whether the DLC release will be scheduled to coincide with the launch in Japan; seems like a good marketing opportunity to bundle them together.
    Edited by Latin on April 20, 2016 4:06PM
  • Danisheraser
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    It all looks very good and I applaud Zenimax for keeping up with new DLC. I am however, personally, very tired of crime-specific updates. Yes yes, I know all the hardcore DB-fans are going to yell at me for this, but it seems as if zenimax want's us all to be criminals either killing or stealing. Where is the choice in that? Please give those of us, who plays lawful characters, something to identify ourselves with, in opposition to the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood ;).
  • Enodoc
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    I have to agree that the base game changes look decent right now. The DLC preview makes me think it is going to turn out to be a carbon copy of the TG DLC (a few hours of content, boring dailies and one motif to camp bosses forever to get). Hopefully they give us a bigger zone with more to do, and integrate the DB into the rest of Tamriel better.
    Size-wise, the Gold Coast should be much bigger than Hew's Bane. I'm hoping that because of this, the Gold Coast will have its own storyline separate from the Dark Brotherhood story. The region is too big for its content to be entirely DB-centred. Hew's Bane, conversely, wasn't really big enough for its own storyline, and most of the TG story didn't leave Abah's Landing (and when it did, it was to the rest of Tamriel or its own instances).

    I have reservations about how they intend to move forward, post Veteran Ranks. Will the Champion System be reduced to a Veteran System with bigger numbers?
    I seriously hope not. The Champion System shouldn't change at all from what it currently is, and one of the main parts of that is that your "Champion Rank" is not visible.
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  • Cuyler
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    Elloa wrote: »
    code65536 wrote: »
    rebalancing for the Imperial City dungeons
    So, not only are we not going to get any new 4-man content, they're also gonna hit vWGT and vICP with the nerfhammer? :( (Unless by "rebalancing", they mean "buffing", but somehow I doubt that's what they meant.)

    4-person content is such a huge part of this game. It's a MMO, so why in blazes is there so much focus on solo questing in each update? And while I do enjoy running trials, most people in this game have a hard time getting together 12-person groups for that. But the 4-person content? That's fun group content (remember, this is a MMO!) that you can easily clobber together. And we haven't had any updates to 4-person content since the introduction of vICP and vWGT.

    So, no new 4-person content. No updates or scaling to vDSA. And now, it looks like we're likely to see nerfs to the only two pieces of challenging 4-person content in the game. Please, no.

    I'm a little bit worried on that one too.
    I know that ICP and WGT are hard dungeons that you skip when you randomly get them on a ALT character. Cause let's be honest, this is not something you want to do with your lowbie tank you are leveling in medium armor, with no undaunted skills, together with random Vet16 players that will be super pissed at you for failing miserably.
    BUT, that doesn't mean those 2 Dungeons need to be nerfed. NO. Remove them from the RANDOM rotation. That's all.

    I need those two keys :s

    Edit: Oh i see. You mean the random activity rotation?
    Edited by Cuyler on April 20, 2016 4:24PM
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  • JD2013
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    Contracted murder and poison making. Happy happy joy joy.
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    I hope district capture is for all districts and not just 3...
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