What do you think of a brenton nightblade

RedRoomGaming

I want to step away from the norm of khajiit role and was looking and Brentons get spell res, light armour bonus and magika. Do you think this would be viable at end game with 7 peice light dw and destro?

Johngo0036

As a magicka Nb it would certainly work very well...

Asmael

code65536 wrote: »

Breton will make a fine magicka nightblade. Not quite as good as an Altmer or Dunmer, but still quite good.

You'll want to go 5/1/1, though.

Not as good as altmer... Huh. you basically trade mag regen for cost reduction, and while mag regen is superior, you get spell resist instead of elemental damage -which is fairly often never used on magblades (unless you use a destro staff).

Not as good as dunmer... it's VASTLY superior to dunmer is what you mean...

code65536

Breton will make a fine magicka nightblade. Not quite as good as an Altmer or Dunmer, but still quite good.

You'll want to go 5/1/1, though.

Brrrofski

Asmael wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Breton will make a fine magicka nightblade. Not quite as good as an Altmer or Dunmer, but still quite good.

You'll want to go 5/1/1, though.

Not as good as altmer... Huh. you basically trade mag regen for cost reduction, and while mag regen is superior, you get spell resist instead of elemental damage -which is fairly often never used on magblades (unless you use a destro staff).

Not as good as dunmer... it's VASTLY superior to dunmer is what you mean...

Yeh, i'd take it over dumner. True about elemental on altmer too. I'd get higher numbers in pve through my Swallow soul destro weave and shooting star. But I mainly pvp anyway.

I'm breton on mine and it works really well.

Anzriel

Asmael wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Breton will make a fine magicka nightblade. Not quite as good as an Altmer or Dunmer, but still quite good.

You'll want to go 5/1/1, though.

Not as good as altmer... Huh. you basically trade mag regen for cost reduction, and while mag regen is superior, you get spell resist instead of elemental damage -which is fairly often never used on magblades (unless you use a destro staff).

Not as good as dunmer... it's VASTLY superior to dunmer is what you mean...

For pvp breton is a bit better, for pve dunmer is better than breton. Personally I like high elf for pvp or pvp/pve.

Septimus_Magna

Breton, Altmer and Dunmer are all perfectly viable race choices for a magicka NB.

code65536

Asmael wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Breton will make a fine magicka nightblade. Not quite as good as an Altmer or Dunmer, but still quite good.

You'll want to go 5/1/1, though.

Not as good as altmer... Huh. you basically trade mag regen for cost reduction, and while mag regen is superior, you get spell resist instead of elemental damage -which is fairly often never used on magblades (unless you use a destro staff).

Not as good as dunmer... it's VASTLY superior to dunmer is what you mean...

My main is a Breton magblade, and if we ever get a race change, I'll keep her as a Breton.

That said, Altmer and Dunmer are still better.

The main reasons are the changes in CP that make elemental damage relevant to nightblades and the buff to Wall of Elements that make it a must-have skill of any magicka DPS. Especially if you're running a Maelstrom destro.

Sustain: 9% regen is better than 3% cost reduction. Especially since stacking cost reduction results in diminishing returns and stacking regen does not. The more CP you have, the worse the Breton passive is compared to the Altmer one. And the Breton passive is already incredibly weak to begin with.
Winner: Altmer, followed by Breton and then Dunmer, which has no sustain bonuses

Damage: For raw base stats, Altmer and Breton both have a 10% bonus to max magicka. Dunmer is slightly behind, with a 9% bonus (6% + 3%, split between two racial passives). Altmer gets a 4% boost to all elemental damage: your destro staff weave, your WoE, and your meteor are all affected. Dunmer gets a 7% boost to all fire damage: if you use an inferno staff as your main staff (which is already the preferred destro staff of the three), you'll get a much bigger boost than you would with Altmer. Whereas Altmer is better for sorcs because sorcs do a mix of elemental damage (shock from class abilities, and all three from Force Pulse), a nightblade using an Inferno staff and Shooting Star (which is generally preferred over Ice Comet anyway) would be doing only fire and magic damage and benefit far more from the Dunmer damage passive than the Altmer one. Between staff weaving, blockade, and Shooting Star, you're looking at a third or more of a magblade's damage being fire.
Winner: Dunmer, followed by Altmer and then Breton

Survival: Altmer does not offer any help in the survival department. The Breton spell resist is nice, but mitigating spell damage is usually not a problem for magicka users anyway--you get bonus spell resist from your light armor passives, and you have Harness Magicka. Dunmer, on the other hand, have fire resistance and a 6% bonus to max stamina. Personally, I think that stamina bonus is preferable: dodge rolls, break frees, and block-casting. And as a tank, I'd much rather have a larger stam pool than more spell resist.
Winner: Dunmer, followed by Breton and Altmer

Overall, for a magblade DPS, Dunmer wins. In terms of raw damage, they will outclass both Altmer and Breton. They also have better survivability, and their only weakness is sustain. But Breton's 3% cost reduction is so pitiful that it's really not much of a loss. If this had been pre-TG, I would not consider Dunmer that highly for a nightblade race. But TG changed things substantially, and now Dunmer is easily best race for DPS.

(And as an added bonus, if you ever get bored with magicka and decide to re-spec for stamina, Dunmer, with their 6% stamina bonus, would be in a better position than Altmer or Breton.)

Acsvf

Magicka Nightblades are like Magicka Templars- pick a magicka race and you're set.
Yes, a breton magicka nightblade is great.

idk

The cost reduction helps sustain, but with a magika nb sustain on single target is not an issue. AoE is a different story but nothing that is a big deal.

Brettons only get light armor help leveling it up. Once it is leveled that passive does nothing.

High elf and especially dark elf would provide more damage using either morph of of wall of elements. Dark elf offers the biggest damage bonus there but High elf offers better sustain for the AoE.

Edited, Corrected High elf which I had originally listed as Sorc. Probably because the only high elf I have played is a sorc.

code65536

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The cost reduction helps sustain, but with a magika nb sustain on single target is not an issue. AoE is a different story but nothing that is a big deal.

Brettons only get light armor help leveling it up. Once it is leveled that passive does nothing.

Sorc and especially dark elf would provide more damage using either morph of of wall of elements. Dark elf offers the biggest damage bonus there but sorc offers better sustain for the AoE.

I love how the Altmer Sorc is so ingrained that slips like this can happen.

idk

code65536 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

The cost reduction helps sustain, but with a magika nb sustain on single target is not an issue. AoE is a different story but nothing that is a big deal.

Brettons only get light armor help leveling it up. Once it is leveled that passive does nothing.

Sorc and especially dark elf would provide more damage using either morph of of wall of elements. Dark elf offers the biggest damage bonus there but sorc offers better sustain for the AoE.

I love how the Altmer Sorc is so ingrained that slips like this can happen.

lOL, oops, thx

Shader_Shibes

Dunno about Brenton, but Bretons make fine magicka nb's.

CaptainBeerDude

What about Argonian? I decided to make my NB a lizard because **** the meta. Or maybe I just can't help myself and try to push **** uphill.

Duiwel

While what code said is true remember not all magicka NB's actually use destro staves ( at all...) thus that is a situational example based on the pure fact that you will be using Destro inferno staves.

I would recommend Breton for the tankyness, Altmer for the sustain ( if you think you will need it ), keep in mind you can add sustain with both CP and Mundus or add spell resist with CP also...

I think Dunmer is the 3rd best choice here, sure it does the most raw dmg ( because if you pick it you WILL be using Destro staves ) but it's not the absolute choice.

Tumbling in the CP tree can also make up for that little 6% stamina increase, so can 5/1/1 mettle...

keep in mind that 6% is only about 600-800 stamina ( really not that big of a difference ... )

Samphaa

3% cost reduction vs 9% recovery is a few CP. Dunmer is the most dps for pve. Staff attacks, elemental Blockade, Shooting Star, all fire. Add in engulfing flames from a dk tank and boom. Having said that, I went breton because she was meant to be a tank originally.

Volkodav

You can make any race a Nightblade. It's how you set up your skills that will make it or break it.I have several Nightblades. One is Breton.one is am Imperial,and the new one is a Nord.All are pure Stamina,but I use their skills in different ways.
The two seem to be doing fine,and I can achieve my objectives nicely.The third new one,the Nord,is also coming along well.

Flameheart

code65536 wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Breton will make a fine magicka nightblade. Not quite as good as an Altmer or Dunmer, but still quite good.

You'll want to go 5/1/1, though.

Not as good as altmer... Huh. you basically trade mag regen for cost reduction, and while mag regen is superior, you get spell resist instead of elemental damage -which is fairly often never used on magblades (unless you use a destro staff).

Not as good as dunmer... it's VASTLY superior to dunmer is what you mean...

My main is a Breton magblade, and if we ever get a race change, I'll keep her as a Breton.

That said, Altmer and Dunmer are still better.

The main reasons are the changes in CP that make elemental damage relevant to nightblades and the buff to Wall of Elements that make it a must-have skill of any magicka DPS. Especially if you're running a Maelstrom destro.

Sustain: 10% regen is better than 3% cost reduction. Especially since stacking cost reduction results in diminishing returns and stacking regen does not. The more CP you have, the worse the Breton passive is compared to the Altmer one. And the Breton passive is already incredibly weak to begin with.
Winner: Altmer, followed by Breton and then Dunmer, which has no sustain bonuses

Damage: For raw base stats, Altmer and Breton both have a 10% bonus to max magicka. Dunmer is slightly behind, with a 9% bonus (6% + 3%, split between two racial passives). Altmer gets a 4% boost to all elemental damage: your destro staff weave, your WoE, and your meteor are all affected. Dunmer gets a 7% boost to all fire damage: if you use an inferno staff as your main staff (which is already the preferred destro staff of the three), you'll get a much bigger boost than you would with Altmer. Whereas Altmer is better for sorcs because sorcs do a mix of elemental damage (shock from class abilities, and all three from Force Pulse), a nightblade using an Inferno staff and Shooting Star (which is generally preferred over Ice Comet anyway) would be doing only fire and magic damage and benefit far more from the Dunmer damage passive than the Altmer one. Between staff weaving, blockade, and Shooting Star, you're looking at a third or more of a magblade's damage being fire.
Winner: Dunmer, followed by Altmer and then Breton

Survival: Altmer does not offer any help in the survival department. The Breton spell resist is nice, but mitigating spell damage is usually not a problem for magicka users anyway--you get bonus spell resist from your light armor passives, and you have Harness Magicka. Dunmer, on the other hand, have fire resistance and a 6% bonus to max stamina. Personally, I think that stamina bonus is preferable: dodge rolls, break frees, and block-casting. And as a tank, I'd much rather have a larger stam pool than more spell resist.
Winner: Dunmer, followed by Breton and Altmer

Overall, for a magblade DPS, Dunmer wins. In terms of raw damage, they will outclass both Altmer and Breton. They also have better survivability, and their only weakness is sustain. But Breton's 3% cost reduction is so pitiful that it's really not much of a loss. If this had been pre-TG, I would not consider Dunmer that highly for a nightblade race. But TG changed things substantially, and now Dunmer is easily best race for DPS.

(And as an added bonus, if you ever get bored with magicka and decide to re-spec for stamina, Dunmer, with their 6% stamina bonus, would be in a better position than Altmer or Breton.)

Very good summary and the way to go if you are a true min/maxer and neatpicking for stats. Otherwise all three races are viable and a Breton NB is still a good choice.

code65536

Flameheart wrote: »

Very good summary and the way to go if you are a true min/maxer and neatpicking for stats. Otherwise all three races are viable and a Breton NB is still a good choice.

Of course. Which is why I opened my post saying that I have no intentions of changing my main's race even if given the opportunity. The difference is not big enough to override sentiment. It's mostly the claim that Dunmer is the worst of the three that set me off on writing that rather lengthy post...

RedRoomGaming

Thanks guys your amazing for this.

kojou

I have 3 nightblades, a Bosmer, an Altmer, and a Breton. All 3 are viable as Magicka NB because of CP bonuses, and NB skills are relatively cheap.

Obviously the Altmer and Breton are better for a pure min/max magicka build, but I have found that unless you are AOE spamming you will have to really try to run out of magicka with any race.

To answer the original question, yes, Bretons are great Magicka nightblades and you will not be unsatisfied with the choice. I prefer my Altmer however with a destro staff and the extra regen. I also run my Altmer as a healer and the regen is very helpful when I am doing that.

Dunmer is fine to if you want to use fire destro staves...

Ch4mpTW

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

I want to step away from the norm of khajiit role and was looking and Brentons get spell res, light armour bonus and magika. Do you think this would be viable at end game with 7 peice light dw and destro?

... Are you making this class for PVP? I'm just wondering, because I can foresee already what you may be attempting to build and do. And if you do, I feel bad for you following the meta.

code65536

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

I want to step away from the norm of khajiit role and was looking and Brentons get spell res, light armour bonus and magika. Do you think this would be viable at end game with 7 peice light dw and destro?

... Are you making this class for PVP? I'm just wondering, because I can foresee already what you may be attempting to build and do. And if you do, I feel bad for you following the meta.

People follow the meta not because they're unimaginative lemmings. But because, um, it works and it's the best. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be the meta in the first place.

Tryxus

Bretons make the finest Magicka Nightblades

I should know, I main one

RedRoomGaming

code65536 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

I want to step away from the norm of khajiit role and was looking and Brentons get spell res, light armour bonus and magika. Do you think this would be viable at end game with 7 peice light dw and destro?

... Are you making this class for PVP? I'm just wondering, because I can foresee already what you may be attempting to build and do. And if you do, I feel bad for you following the meta.

People follow the meta not because they're unimaginative lemmings. But because, um, it works and it's the best. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be the meta in the first place.

Quoted the wrong person sorry

RedRoomGaming

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

I want to step away from the norm of khajiit role and was looking and Brentons get spell res, light armour bonus and magika. Do you think this would be viable at end game with 7 peice light dw and destro?

... Are you making this class for PVP? I'm just wondering, because I can foresee already what you may be attempting to build and do. And if you do, I feel bad for you following the meta.

No I have a sorc, a DK, a temp and a low level nightblade but wanted to re roll and didn't want to follow the khajiit role as many have. I rarely pvp and if I do its on my sorc this was just a change from the rest.

Mojmir

khajit magicka NB ftw