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Etaniel

Mauz wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

You guys have no clue do you? A campaign full of pugs lead by big boss? Its the best ap farming campain ever!

It's not that I dislike you or what you do in game. But with this quote you started it or at least contributed to the current situation. Currently AP farmers became a decease. They are sitting in towers everywhere.

If tower farmers are there just for the ap, then they are no threat to your faction, just ignore the tower no?

Berserkur

Mauz wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Azura has no stacked guild groups, no lag trains, so it has way better performance....
Second reason is that fights here are more about sustain than burst damage, and that fits my (our group's) playstyle
Pugs are pugs, and they exist on all campaigns, eso is the biggest casual/carebear friendly game I've seen in a long time, so wherever we go we will encounter clueless players.

I play here cause I lack of CPs like most of Azura players. I want fights on even ground, I dont want to have a disadvantage cause I play less than others. You see the difference?

Etaniel wrote: »

Is my gameplay detrimental to others? Am I gatecamping? Am I lagging the server out with my 4 man group? Am I bullying and chasing down others for miles?

I saw you a couple of times. No you dont lag the server dont and surprisingly you dont seemed to farm AP. At the end of last campaign you'd even less AP I have and I dont go after AP at all. When I met you these where good fights. Mostly with better end on my side ;-)

Etaniel wrote: »

You guys have no clue do you? A campaign full of pugs lead by big boss? Its the best ap farming campain ever!

It's not that I dislike you or what you do in game. But with this quote you started it or at least contributed to the current situation. Currently AP farmers became a decease. They are sitting in towers everywhere.[/quote]

Or hide and gank on top of arrius while sieging the roof

Lava_Croft

In a game where the developers clearly state over and over again that they don't really believe in any kind of meaningful AvAvA, it's to be expected that most people will just want to farm AP instead of fighting for a campaign win or whatever.

kuro-dono

there is surprisingly lots of ppl at azura who enjoy healthy AvAvA. not all have lost their fun element of the game

Lava_Croft

They are on the wrong side of the line though, ZOS' efforts for PvP only push it more and more into the direction of a deathmatch-like experience akin to Quake.

makreth

wow my thread is getting bigger and bigger.. A thread for Azura's PC EU is never a bad thing as long as all opinions are expressed in a civilized manner. We all hope for the best I'm sure.

I personally haven't been into the game for a couple of weeks due to real life stuff so I can't speak for what's going on at the moment, but you people do a great job. See you soon in game.

kuro-dono

Azura doesnt have all those alphamales from the other campaigns so its pleasantly quiet in this forum topic

Master_Kas

kuro-dono wrote: »

Azura doesnt have all those alphamales from the other campaigns so its pleasantly quiet in this forum topic

careful what you wish for m8

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You all suck. Blood for the pact!

MLRPZ

DC DK inc =P

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

It's funny that eso forum doesn't let people @ me

kuro-dono wrote: »

Azura doesnt have all those alphamales from the other campaigns so its pleasantly quiet in this forum topic

Agree this post is so relaxing I could fall asleep whilst reading it in sneak in an enemy keep

Master_Kas

MLRPZ wrote: »

DC DK inc =P

You leveling a DC dk? :O

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

It's funny that eso forum doesn't let people @ me

kuro-dono wrote: »

Azura doesnt have all those alphamales from the other campaigns so its pleasantly quiet in this forum topic

Agree this post is so relaxing I could fall asleep whilst reading it in sneak in an enemy keep

Hey don't blame me. I ain't sieging nothing anymore, except people from the walls

prootch

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Agree this post is so relaxing I could fall asleep whilst reading it in sneak in an enemy keep

Just like reading it on a treb on tf brk last emp keep siege yesterday you mean .

Mauz

Etaniel wrote: »

If tower farmers are there just for the ap, then they are no threat to your faction, just ignore the tower no?

The probem is these AP farmers may follow a *** rewarding system but they are not dumb If all leave the tower alone they follow you to the next battle or take the keep. If you have more than one farm group online it doesn't matter where you go, you don't find action where they don't jump inbetween after a couple of minutes. For one group I checked the leaderboard, most of them are not in the list. There's even a rank 50. Don't get why someone like this should farm AP but it does

Erondil

Mauz wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

If tower farmers are there just for the ap, then they are no threat to your faction, just ignore the tower no?

The probem is these AP farmers may follow a *** rewarding system but they are not dumb If all leave the tower alone they follow you to the next battle or take the keep. If you have more than one farm group online it doesn't matter where you go, you don't find action where they don't jump inbetween after a couple of minutes. For one group I checked the leaderboard, most of them are not in the list. There's even a rank 50. Don't get why someone like this should farm AP but it does

Usually those "AP farmer groups" are just the organised groups that rather kill alot of players than siege alot of walls, AP is mostly an indicator, the fun itself isnt to get alot of AP but to kill alot of people in a small time. I can perfectly understand why an AvA 50 player prefers winning a fight agaisnt actual players in a very outnumbered situation than sieging empty keeps.

kuro-dono

lol. the other day very organized aldmeri group 14 men, went glademist tower. horde of idiot covenants rushed the flag, but thankfully i and my 24 put down 20 siege to tear down the tower before the donkeys rushed the tower. all the aldmeri got stuck at the middle of the tower when it destroyed completely. got slaughtered since all their sieges disappeared. took still plenty of time. 3 negate users to get their detos killed and then eventually them killed.

was joyful to watch how i destroyed in similar manner with my raid about 20 different tower across the map to make sure they dont farm anyone. after 2h they left. one of them complained via whisper why i am against ap farming. lol didnt bother reply the idiot

bronski

Erondil wrote: »

Usually those "AP farmer groups" are just the organised groups that rather kill alot of players than siege alot of walls, AP is mostly an indicator, the fun itself isnt to get alot of AP but to kill alot of people in a small time. I can perfectly understand why an AvA 50 player prefers winning a fight agaisnt actual players in a very outnumbered situation than sieging empty keeps.

except that farming pugs in a tower (especially fo experienced pvp group that just come to azura once in a while) taking adavantage of the fact they have to go through the door is not exactley fighting "very outnumbered" no matter how many of them are outside, nor particularly skilled gameplay. i can see how it can be fun though.

even if it's open field we all know that the only thing people can hope to do is to throw enough body at you to eventually overwhelm you.

what i would expect from an ava 50 players is maybe sometimes seek out for actual competition against groups that actually have a chance to wipe them, instead of setting up tower farms or kill pugs around a keep.

azura can still be a lot of fun though, or just very boring even at pop lock sometimes.

Erondil

kuro-dono wrote: »

lol. the other day very organized aldmeri group 14 men, went glademist tower. horde of idiot covenants rushed the flag, but thankfully i and my 24 put down 20 siege to tear down the tower before the donkeys rushed the tower. all the aldmeri got stuck at the middle of the tower when it destroyed completely. got slaughtered since all their sieges disappeared. took still plenty of time. 3 negate users to get their detos killed and then eventually them killed.

was joyful to watch how i destroyed in similar manner with my raid about 20 different tower across the map to make sure they dont farm anyone. after 2h they left. one of them complained via whisper why i am against ap farming. lol didnt bother reply the idiot

So you're bragging about sieging down and wiping 14 players with a full 24 man raids. Congrats, I guess.

bronski wrote: »

what i would expect from an ava 50 players is maybe sometimes seek out for actual competition against groups that actually have a chance to wipe them, instead of setting up tower farms or kill pugs around a keep.

Unfortunately there is so few of those competitive groups left in the game that it would actually be a challenge to find one to fight everynight, and only fighting the same group over and over again would get boring quickly. Every AvA 50 group player I know seem to always look forward and enjoy a fight agaisnt another experienced and competitive group, though.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

kuro-dono wrote: »

Azura doesnt have all those alphamales from the other campaigns so its pleasantly quiet in this forum topic

All the alphamales are too busy slaying your friends

bronski wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Usually those "AP farmer groups" are just the organised groups that rather kill alot of players than siege alot of walls, AP is mostly an indicator, the fun itself isnt to get alot of AP but to kill alot of people in a small time. I can perfectly understand why an AvA 50 player prefers winning a fight agaisnt actual players in a very outnumbered situation than sieging empty keeps.

except that farming pugs in a tower (especially fo experienced pvp group that just come to azura once in a while) taking adavantage of the fact they have to go through the door is not exactley fighting "very outnumbered" no matter how many of them are outside, nor particularly skilled gameplay. i can see how it can be fun though.

even if it's open field we all know that the only thing people can hope to do is to throw enough body at you to eventually overwhelm you.

what i would expect from an ava 50 players is maybe sometimes seek out for actual competition against groups that actually have a chance to wipe them, instead of setting up tower farms or kill pugs around a keep.

azura can still be a lot of fun though, or just very boring even at pop lock sometimes.

Sometimes you can only choose between going in the tower or getting swarmed and sieged from dozens of players, and that's not exactly a challenge. It's just death by numbers. You can actually enter a tower kinda safely if you know how to.

kuro-dono

I hope one day ap farming is no more thing in eso land. then the actual AvAvA can bloom.

Give them thirsty dogs their arenas so they can claim their epeendome instead of farming sheeps.

MLRPZ

Master_Kas wrote: »

MLRPZ wrote: »

DC DK inc =P

You leveling a DC dk? :O

Yup ! for azura, so many ADs to kill there

kuro-dono

ad horde at azura is funny. their jokes better than anyones. When covenants pushed them to the gates and took their scrolls we were "nightcapping" with 3 bar, while they were pop locked.

How often we see them daytime with pop lock push covenants to gate, but fail it. Excuses of failing to claim their long lost glory= covenants exploiting/macroing and rest of the junk excuses.

Daytime been too busy trying to grind my pve gear so still gona from it, but when it starts... aldmeri blood shall flood the gates of elsvyer or however you type the temple gates.

bronski

Erondil wrote: »

Unfortunately there is so few of those competitive groups left in the game that it would actually be a challenge to find one to fight everynight, and only fighting the same group over and over again would get boring quickly. Every AvA 50 group player I know seem to always look forward and enjoy a fight agaisnt another experienced and competitive group, though.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Sometimes you can only choose between going in the tower or getting swarmed and sieged from dozens of players, and that's not exactly a challenge. It's just death by numbers. You can actually enter a tower kinda safely if you know how to.

i'd like it to be clear i'm really not trying to tell you how to play the game or have fun, nor trying to define what is skilled and what not, it's more about the state of the game right now.

it should be up to zos to maybe add objectives outside keeps that would encourage poeple to spread out and favour small scale fights that could still contribute to the campaign, or have some sort of incentive or "prize" the best guild would compete against each other for. i guess we all know that's not likely to happen, so everybody tryies to find the fun where they can.

i understand getting "swarmed" and sieged by 2/3 times your numbers when you are running with 12/16 gets old really fast. the problem is: what is the alternative?

when pugs or pugs groups go against an organized group of good and experienced players what are they supposed to do? (beside getting wiped over and over again, i mean ) most of the time it seems the only options is to take them by sheer numbers + sieges

same is true for smaller group. you've seen the videos from fluff or etaniel and so on. you know that the poeple that show up to fight them on even number don't stand a chance, so what are they suposed to do? of course at one point they are going to say something in zone chat and 20 people will show up to fight 3/4

Erondil

kuro-dono wrote: »

I hope one day ap farming is no more thing in eso land. then the actual AvAvA can bloom.

Give them thirsty dogs their arenas so they can claim their epeendome instead of farming sheeps.

Well some people rather fight agaisnt players without caring about the campaign score and some rather play for the map and PvDoor empty keeps (PvDoor is by far the most efficient way to win a campaign, even if campaign score would only be active in primetime). As someone that prefers the former, I dont do it for epeen nor for ap (although its a sweet rewards as it shows how many players we managed to kill over a limited time) simply for the fun of PvPing in an openworld map. And if they ever implement arenas I will probably still spend most of my playtime in Cyrodiil ^_^.

bronski wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Unfortunately there is so few of those competitive groups left in the game that it would actually be a challenge to find one to fight everynight, and only fighting the same group over and over again would get boring quickly. Every AvA 50 group player I know seem to always look forward and enjoy a fight agaisnt another experienced and competitive group, though.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Sometimes you can only choose between going in the tower or getting swarmed and sieged from dozens of players, and that's not exactly a challenge. It's just death by numbers. You can actually enter a tower kinda safely if you know how to.

i'd like it to be clear i'm really not trying to tell you how to play the game or have fun, nor trying to define what is skilled and what not, it's more about the state of the game right now.

it should be up to zos to maybe add objectives outside keeps that would encourage poeple to spread out and favour small scale fights that could still contribute to the campaign, or have some sort of incentive or "prize" the best guild would compete against each other for. i guess we all know that's not likely to happen, so everybody tryies to find the fun where they can.

i understand getting "swarmed" and sieged by 2/3 times your numbers when you are running with 12/16 gets old really fast. the problem is: what is the alternative?

when pugs or pugs groups go against an organized group of good and experienced players what are they supposed to do? (beside getting wiped over and over again, i mean ) most of the time it seems the only options is to take them by sheer numbers + sieges

same is true for smaller group. you've seen the videos from fluff or etaniel and so on. you know that the poeple that show up to fight them on even number don't stand a chance, so what are they suposed to do? of course at one point they are going to say something in zone chat and 20 people will show up to fight 3/4

Oh I don't blame them for doing what they do agaisnt an experienced group of 8-16, they just shouldnt blame this said group because they went into a tower when they were outnumbered and sieged from everywhere
Nonetheless calling for help agaisnt 3-4 people is simply disgusting: if the group of 8-16 might be a threat and take an objective if they dont get wiped, 3-4 man group wont do such thing, and I'm quite sure 4-5 randoms players can get an interesting fight agaisnt Norricum if they're good enough as solo players, because for this size individual skill and awareness matters more than group coordination. Either you chose to try to fight on your own and potentially improve alot, either you pass your way because you know you stand no chance, either you ask and wait for a 20 man zerg, thus you actively contribute to destroying smallscale PvP.

Lava_Croft

Have a small group of experienced AP farmers.
Purposefully seek out pug groups larger than yours.
Cry about how small scale PvP is dead.

ESO AP farmer logic 101.

Erondil

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Have a small group of experienced AP farmers.
Purposefully seek out pug groups larger than yours.
Cry about how small scale PvP is dead.

ESO AP farmer logic 101.

Oh I wasnt crying I was simply answering to somebody excusing pugs for asking help in /zone to zerg 4 ppl with 20. I wasnt even talking about myself anyways, I'm not playing in this kind of 3-4 man groups, when I "AP farm" as you guys like to call it I play in groups of 6 to 12, and the rest of the time messing around solo or duo. The fact that I'm not directly concerned doesnt change my thoughts, asking on /zone to zerg 4 people down is just disgusting. Anyways keep as many pugs as possible coming for our group please, they are tasty!

Lava_Croft

So basically you don't seek out small scale, but when you get large scale you tell people they are behaving disgustingly and killing small scale.

OK then.

Erondil

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically you don't seek out small scale, but when you get large scale you tell people they are behaving disgustingly and killing small scale.

OK then.

Ugh did I say that? I said 20 people going out of their way/coming to the rescue to kill 4 people that arent a threat for any objective is sad, and asking people to do it is disgusting and killing smallscale. Its normal tho when its for an organised group that may be a threat for objectives, meaning 6+ people (the kind of group I'm in and that is usually seeking for larger scale fights)

Berserkur

Berserkur

normal evening at Azura^^

Lava_Croft

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically you don't seek out small scale, but when you get large scale you tell people they are behaving disgustingly and killing small scale.

OK then.

Ugh did I say that? I said 20 people going out of their way/coming to the rescue to kill 4 people that arent a threat for any objective is sad, and asking people to do it is disgusting and killing smallscale. Its normal tho when its for an organised group that may be a threat for objectives, meaning 6+ people (the kind of group I'm in and that is usually seeking for larger scale fights)

But the goal of such a 4-player group is not to find an equally skilled 4-player group to fight against. 9.9 out of 10 times, such a 4-man group will take a resource at some very busy place on the map, knowing very well a lot of lesser skilled enemies will show up, but after wiping complain about the fact that a lot of lesser skilled enemies showed up.

If you really cared about your coveted small scale fights, you would not try and find those fights in such places.