VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »4. Ask your healer Templar Healer to run shards/repentance on their bar.
zerosingularity wrote: »Defense - Major armor/ward buffs
Resources - DK Ults/Igneous Shield, NB Siphoning Attacks, Templar House(lol), Sorc Dark Deal and Shield spam. And of course Tri-pots.
DKs and NBs I think are the currently 2 easiest classes to tank with, and are great for those new to tanking and wanna help out their buddies.
VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »4. Ask your healer to run shards/repentance on their bar.
CreepyPahuska wrote: »VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »4. Ask your healer to run shards/repentance on their bar.
IMO that's the worst advice that can be given to a tank. First, It's not the healer's job to manage your own ressources, the tank must be able to do it himself. Second, Healer doesn't mean templar, and templar doesn't mean healer, it's time that people start to understand that, If you rely on your templar healer to manage your ressources, if one day you end up in a group with a NB healer for example, what are you going to do ?
Nope, I'm here too My girlfriend has a templar healer and a nightblade too, so I had the chance to try both, and I definitely prefer the NB( probably I am the only one that thinks nightblades are better healers )
We posted at the same time so you have the answer above. I definitely prefer to play with NB Healers.but if you had the option which would you choose?
I'm not saying that a templar healer shouldn't run support abilities, I'm just saying that a tank shouldn't have to rely on this in his build.And saying that a templar healer shouldn't help you with resource management with shards is like saying that healers shouldn't run elemental drain to help their magicka dps. In premade trial group healers are not just healers but full on support
paulsimonps wrote: »CreepyPahuska wrote: »VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »4. Ask your healer to run shards/repentance on their bar.
IMO that's the worst advice that can be given to a tank. First, It's not the healer's job to manage your own ressources, the tank must be able to do it himself. Second, Healer doesn't mean templar, and templar doesn't mean healer, it's time that people start to understand that, If you rely on your templar healer to manage your ressources, if one day you end up in a group with a NB healer for example, what are you going to do ?
Also complete side note, am I the only one to run the range taunt as the stamina version? My magicka is for CC and Shields but my stamina regain is good so hey, stam taunt away. Also I tend to only use it when absolutely necessary.
paulsimonps wrote: »CreepyPahuska wrote: »VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »4. Ask your healer to run shards/repentance on their bar.
IMO that's the worst advice that can be given to a tank. First, It's not the healer's job to manage your own ressources, the tank must be able to do it himself. Second, Healer doesn't mean templar, and templar doesn't mean healer, it's time that people start to understand that, If you rely on your templar healer to manage your ressources, if one day you end up in a group with a NB healer for example, what are you going to do ?
Also complete side note, am I the only one to run the range taunt as the stamina version? My magicka is for CC and Shields but my stamina regain is good so hey, stam taunt away. Also I tend to only use it when absolutely necessary.
I also use it when absolutely necessary too . That's why it is magicka for me . Let me explain . You said you use your Magicka for CC and Shields . I assume CC is for trash mobs and Shields are for boss fights . While fighting trash mobs I use Cinder Storm , Chains and Talons . If there is a enemy that I can't chain , I check if it is worth it to taunt or not . If it is a hard-hitting mob , I taunt . If not , I just leave it there . Since my build has 17k Magicka and 800 Magicka Recovery I can do these things all day and save my stamina pool for blocking all the damage I get from trash . My point is , it depends on the build you are using . I always keep my eyes open for the changes in Enduring Dragon build . If I was using your build , I would go with Stamina morph too . As you have 10k Magicka , using 1/3 of it for taunting would be a waste indeed .
1 more suggestion comes to mind since I mentioned Cinder Storm in my previous reply .
Always use AOE snare while fighting lots of trash . Since you can't aggro all of them , they will try to attack your DD teammates . They probably will be running around spamming Steel Tornado and they must be close to enemies to deal damage . If trash can run at full speed as well , you can be sure that your DD mates will get hit . I highly recommend using a AOE Snare like Cinder Storm . For example , it provides %70 snare which is really nice . It is a small radius but you can gather them in it with chains and keep them in it with talons . After that point , you will see that your DD teammates are more safe and your healer can provide more DPS without the need of healing .
paulsimonps wrote: »1 more suggestion comes to mind since I mentioned Cinder Storm in my previous reply .
Always use AOE snare while fighting lots of trash . Since you can't aggro all of them , they will try to attack your DD teammates . They probably will be running around spamming Steel Tornado and they must be close to enemies to deal damage . If trash can run at full speed as well , you can be sure that your DD mates will get hit . I highly recommend using a AOE Snare like Cinder Storm . For example , it provides %70 snare which is really nice . It is a small radius but you can gather them in it with chains and keep them in it with talons . After that point , you will see that your DD teammates are more safe and your healer can provide more DPS without the need of healing .
I know people always say that but it kinda always confuses me. Though it takes a second or two I always taunt everything. Usually in normal or the older veteran dungeons the trash doesn't survive that long that it becomes a problem anyway but I just tank it all anyway. Taunt one or two real quick, Choking talons to stop them all and then taunt the rest. Taunt Ranged last and either pull them to you or make melee follow you to them. Start of with the big guys, most notably heavy weapon wielders, they do upper cuts. Then sword and boards to redirect their "charge" attacks, then move over to one ranged and pull in the rest of them. I mean why not taunt it all?
VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »Well, very nice to take a bashing from everyone. I was assuming this was tanking for the non elitist, if I was wrong about that, please forgive me for giving SUGGESTIONS as to what works for me. My boyfriend is a Templar healer, so if that comment doesn't apply to you, just ignore it... Don't be a D...
dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »As for NB now I'm tanking in DPS sets (3 willpower + 5 julianos + 3\4 magnus) 5 heavy + 1med+1light. siphoning attacks up, almost permablock (not hard with good stamina return via siphoning). So while tanking I can add good DPS for the group and also help with healing.
VodkaVixen1979 wrote: »If ppl want to keep queuing with pugs that have no food and don't know what a taunt is, by all means
swallow soul and impale for finishing.CreepyPahuska wrote: »dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »As for NB now I'm tanking in DPS sets (3 willpower + 5 julianos + 3\4 magnus) 5 heavy + 1med+1light. siphoning attacks up, almost permablock (not hard with good stamina return via siphoning). So while tanking I can add good DPS for the group and also help with healing.
Just out of curiosity, what's your single target DPS while tanking with your NB ?
1 more suggestion comes to mind since I mentioned Cinder Storm in my previous reply .
Always use AOE snare while fighting lots of trash . Since you can't aggro all of them , they will try to attack your DD teammates . They probably will be running around spamming Steel Tornado and they must be close to enemies to deal damage . If trash can run at full speed as well , you can be sure that your DD mates will get hit . I highly recommend using a AOE Snare like Cinder Storm . For example , it provides %70 snare which is really nice . It is a small radius but you can gather them in it with chains and keep them in it with talons . After that point , you will see that your DD teammates are more safe and your healer can provide more DPS without the need of healing .
dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »swallow soul and impale for finishing.CreepyPahuska wrote: »dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »As for NB now I'm tanking in DPS sets (3 willpower + 5 julianos + 3\4 magnus) 5 heavy + 1med+1light. siphoning attacks up, almost permablock (not hard with good stamina return via siphoning). So while tanking I can add good DPS for the group and also help with healing.
Just out of curiosity, what's your single target DPS while tanking with your NB ?
paulsimonps wrote: »dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »swallow soul and impale for finishing.CreepyPahuska wrote: »dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »As for NB now I'm tanking in DPS sets (3 willpower + 5 julianos + 3\4 magnus) 5 heavy + 1med+1light. siphoning attacks up, almost permablock (not hard with good stamina return via siphoning). So while tanking I can add good DPS for the group and also help with healing.
Just out of curiosity, what's your single target DPS while tanking with your NB ?
I think he meant how much Damage per second do you do during a boss fight as a NB tank with that set up.
zerosingularity wrote: »It is easier to add DPS in the easier dungeons (vet Wayrest Sewers) than it is for others (vet White Gold Tower). When I need to DPS (Planar Inhibitor) I swap gears to actual DPS gears myself. (2x Skoria, 5x Julianos, 3x Willpower, Maelstrom Inferno) Not everyone has this level of gears, but in some places there are times when a Tank needs to swap to DPS, so it is good to have a set of DPS gears, just in case. (vWGT, vDC are the ones that come to mind the most.)
Depends of your class, if you're magicka or stamina. Why 8 traits only ?mrromeo187 wrote: »What is the best heavy set in 8 trait ?