Recent Reality Check on this game...

Sa0n

Try out some of the popular MMOs and all the F2P MMOs -- come crying back to ESO, begging for forgiveness.
That's what happened to me.

But, ESO is still rather unpleasant at the moment. If this doesn't change soon, then perhaps I'm just not an MMO player.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

EVE Online had it's own way of reducing lag called "time dilation" as a game mechanic, where the big battles would cause time to slow down to the point where an 8min battle would actually go on for 8 hours. Not fun to watch.
Also patches sometimes broke the game to the point of not wanting to play till it's fixed.

Never played WoW.

Currently playing Black Desert Online which is best described as a Skyrim modders wet dream, nothing new gameplay wise but still a nice enough game (the night time storm the other night was the most atmospheric thing that I've experienced). Lag is still there but no constant disconnects.
The EU/NA servers are months behind on content and DLC's compared to the Korean version so patch/DLC problems might be fixed before they reach me.

I love ESO and if I quit it would be because "I'm quitting MMO's" but I have no ETA on that decision.

Thornen

If you can afford to no life BDO is awesome and its sandbox unlike ESOs themepark.

TheDarkShadow

Thornen wrote: »

If you can afford to no life BDO is awesome and its sandbox unlike ESOs themepark.

Sadly it only available in a few countries.

DephlaterMouse

MakJulos wrote: »

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

The best MMO's I've ever played where Star Wars Galaxies, EVE Online and this game.

Of Star Wars Galaxies, SW:TOR, Rift, GW2, Wildstar and ESO i must say that as an MMO Star Wars Galaxies beat the other by far - it was my life on the side for 7yearssmthn and i miss it so much.

EDIT: I forgot that half a year of vanilla WoW i tried alongside SWG, wasn't a tough decision which to stay with.

I played the *** outta Star Wars Galaxies on Ahazi server. I still miss "DaTick." My master Powers Jedi. You could actually have a unique build. I didn't tell anyone my setup for 3 years and nobody could figure it out lol.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

Check out the SWG emulator. Good fun, obviously not high pop but its like pulling a cozy blanket over long lost memories.

Most fun in an mmo by far, getting 5 people all different classes to blow up a base (they each have there own task) while absolute chaos is going on. Some of those pvp battles I had on naboo are ingrained into my memory. Lots of players, lots of teams coordinating, real objectives to loose, hell of a alot of chaos which sandbox open world pvp to me should be, a battle is managed chaos.

Own

jaburns wrote: »

So, I got pissed off at all the lag in Cyrodiil and Hew's Bane... and I was about to unsubscribe... but, since this is my first MMO- I wanted to check out other MMO's that were available. I went to MMORPG.com to see their top rated games. No, ESO is no longer on the top... but I did want to browse through some of the games and watch videos of the game play.

I came to a halting slap in the face. Most games look cartoony and the graphics suck. And, from what I can tell, everyone complains about the same thing on all MMOs... latency, FPS, and bugs. I mean, seriously, go check out videos of some of the 'top competitors" and you'll realize that ESO isn't bad at all. The top games like WOW, SWOTOR, DCUO, etc all look like games you can play on your mobile phone. Even though the newest competitor, BDO, has good graphics- but it still looks as if you're playing a Tekken game in between riding a horse from town to town. (It'll give you friggin' epilepsy!)

I don't know if this is a complaint or compliment thread anymore. Congrats Zeni- you have a beautiful game with a fantastic storyline and voice acting... but please work on the lag. I'll be over here eating a slice of humble pie.

Bro ill be right here with you. I looked at others games and nothing compares. I came back from Korean BDO

TheShadowScout

I have played a few MMOs, and I have to agree that ESO is the best one of them, all around.
Sure, it has its suboptimal parts... but so have the others, often in greater amount then ESO.
Sure it has lag here and there... but duh, lag happens all over the MMO gaming range, some more, some less - and the better thengame, the more chance for lag, since that usualyl means the more things for a server CPU to keep track of.
Sure ESO is occasionally buggy (until the next patch)... but that as well is hardly exclusive to this game.
And ESO -does- have the best grafics among all the ones I played... as well as the most fun combat system (If I never ever have to deal with "combat" that involves starting at a dozend cooldown timers and finding your "perfect rotation", i'll be happy...) Not to mention the main point for me - an wide and immersive backstory I can get myself lost in playing my characters...

All together... I likely will remain here playing ESO for quite a while to come! Since I doubt there will be any game anytime soon that gives me the same great mix of good backstory and nifty game!

MaKTaiL

urkonse wrote: »

well , imo Warframe and Eso are best MMO games (tho ESO is bit too over cost [dlc`s])
both have beautifull graphichs & if Rumours about consoles getting text chat in DB re true , ESO will be one of those game i play years in row


i cant understand how DCUO is on top...its just so poop booring game

(PS: those lists never tells anything but some opinios)

ESO overcosted over Warframe? Hahahaha.

MaKTaiL

DephlaterMouse wrote: »

The best MMO's I've ever played where Star Wars Galaxies, EVE Online and this game.

EVE is awesome. So bad my PC can't run it the way it should.

Eiagra

I like how this thread has kept pretty civil, considering the topic at hand.

I wish I could remember the very first, 1st-gen graphical 3D MMO that I played... I only remember walking down into some crypt and there being skeletons very early on in the game... prior to that, I think I had played some text-based MUDs, but nothing that stands out in memory.

My conventional MMO experiences started with the International Ragnarok Online beta, but stopped because I couldn't do pay-to-play. Had a brief affair with a now-defunct game called Rubies of Eventide, which I enjoyed, even though it was pretty grindy. Fond memories of tromping about as an Orc in that game, though.

I played the MapleStory beta, and then the full release version of it for quite a while, but I couldn't really keep up as a Cleric, and it was literally years later before I hit the third class change (and decided that was good enough and quit). Had a brief affair with Mabinogi, but again, too grindy and repetitive to get skills up and I had a heck of a time with getting enough income for equipment/repairs.

Allods Online was my foray into the WoW Clone market (and more tromping around as a big Orc), and I was starting to enjoy it until I ran into the "you can't do story content unless you have three other friends with you" levels of cheesy mob difficulty. Got frustrated and left soon after. I liked their take on the android-undead with an Egyptian motif, as I felt that a concept with some interesting potential -- just not a race I identified with much (because not Orc).

EVE Online was an on-again off-again affair that I enjoyed, mostly for the Planetary Interaction and Market stuff, but I wasn't making enough to cover the costs of a PLEX, and I didn't want to turn it into a full time job just to pay for itself, so that's another I've since left by the wayside.

Prior to ESO, I was playing Neverwinter. At the time, I really wanted to play ESO instead, but the monthly subscription requirement kept it out of my reach. The half-orcs weren't fugly, though, so it served "well enough" for a while. The blatant cash-grabs, lack of story depth or content I actually cared about (after the first two or three areas, you were hearing the exact same story with a different paint job), botting, and terrible gold spammers in Protector's Enclave (the main hub) eventually made it utterly unbearable. That was around the time ESO dropped the subscriber requirement, so I jumped ship -- and gladly -- to play the game I actually WANTED to play for over a year.

ESO isn't perfect, but it satisfies a lot of what I'm looking for in an MMO. The fact that it has a robust roleplaying community helps (and is probably the first MMO I've played where I've participated in roleplay -- prior to that, Neverwinter Nights had been my last roleplay experience).

Yeah, some of the combat abilities could use some refinement or balance. Yeah, it has its share of glitches and annoyances. Yeah, the community can be a little toxic or hostile sometimes (especially on the forums). But between a satisfying art style (and sexy orcs), excellent music, mostly fun combat, actual effort put in most of the quest stories, a crafting system that serves a purpose from start of game to end of game, and systems in place that tries to respect my amount of free time... overall I'm more satisfied with ESO's good sides than I am put off by its negative sides.

I'll enjoy it while it lasts. It's been just about a full year so far. We'll see how long I am able to go.

FortheloveofKrist

Farorin wrote: »

Yeah I used to complain and be a bit of a negative nancy, until I realized that ESO is actually one of the far better products on the market. Then I also started to remember what was fun about it, and realized that it isn't ZOS that made me dislike the game for a time, but rather all the other negative nay sayers on the forums.


Screw the forums.

^This. Just play it and enjoy the game. Act as though the lag and bugs are Molag Bal coming back to **** with you.

kevlarto_ESO

OP, great well thought out post, it's what me and friends say almost daily, when we think about leaving this game we look at the other options and realize there is no where to go, I play with a group of grizzled mmo veteran's some of us have been playing mmo's since mudz, we have pretty much been there done that when it comes to mmo's we all really enjoy this game, but like many others are disappointed in how the game is managed, and the lack of attention to get exploits and bugs fixed in a timely manner.

When things work right here in ESO it is great, when pvp is not lagging it is some of the best pvp I have encounterd in all my years of mmo's. After the Thieves Guild even some pve areas are having some strange lag issues.
But over all ESO is still an awesome game and it is still a new game compared to the ones that have been on the market for years, if the dev's can ever figure out the problems in the game and get the issues under control, ESO would indeed be a real AAA mmo, but I am not holding my breath either.

Trensharo

Volkodav wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

WOW came out in 2004, of course it doesnt look like a current game. And i am not even a former WOW player, barely played it.

I wonder why they dont update it's graphics a bit though. It's ok,but real cartoony. Not as bad as Guild Wars though.Good Lord.The females are ok,but the males are like hulking Neanderthals.

I think WoW's graphics are good, and very accessible. It runs 2x better than ESO at higher settings which actually results in a better looking game on systems that aren't high end. I think people with high end systems often forget that most MMORPG players aren't playing on tricked out rigs, so the comparison many people make will be at lower settings which is where WoW wins out (cause the quality loss pumping the settings down on ESO is higher than on WoW).

It's a huge selling point when users can raid in your game on Mid-Range laptops from late 2013 with integrated graphics and AMD CPUs (no, that is not my primary gaming machine, but it sure works well when I'm away from home!)... ESO is simply not an option on such equipment, despite them claiming it was designed to run well on older machines.

Additionally, Blizzard has done good work to keep their engine up to date. WoW has been Multi-Core, DX11, 64-Bit, and IPv6 for a while now...

phreatophile

I agree. I pretty critical of ESO's many failures but it's the best available.

Korah_Eaglecry

Sa0n wrote: »

Try out some of the popular MMOs and all the F2P MMOs -- come crying back to ESO, begging for forgiveness.
That's what happened to me.

But, ESO is still rather unpleasant at the moment. If this doesn't change soon, then perhaps I'm just not an MMO player.

Or maybe youre spending a little too much time on these forums. Try going without this place or any similar forums for games for a week or a few weeks and see how differently you feel about things.

Every time Ive taken a break from the forums. Ive always felt a little bit better.

Zorrashi

There is a reason I stoped playing MMOs all together prior to ESO's release. Most have the same problems but wrapped in a different package with a different skin each time.

ESO only attracted me by virtue of having the "Elder Scrolls" in its name. I stayed because of how it handles itself (not including PvP which is a laggy mess I barely partake in). Even so, I still take exceedingly long breaks from it.

But that's more than what I can say for other MMOs who are lucky I even spare them a glance.

Reverb

ESO is buggy, but has far more good times than bad. It is consistently better than its competition imo. I still start my gaming sessions with ESO, move to other games when I can't stand the lag, and come back to ESO after an hlur or so.

I'm enjoying the combat in bdo, and love the character creation. But the same doesn't suck me in, I just don't care about it. I wouldn't go back to wow or eve for anything, and I am nostalgic for gw2, but I know I would be disappointed in it if I went back after so much time on ESO.

That said, the current patch drops to 8 fps for me after an hour of play, and stays that way until I reboot my pc and reset my router. I'm getting damn tired of that. I only do that 1/3 of the time, the rest of the time I switch to other games, or shut down my pc altogether.

Reverb

I want to add that I vastly prefer the eso community to others. The rich lore and TES history appeals to a player base that is generally more mature and respectful than most mmo communities. Even the pvp trash talking is mostly lighthearted and free from outright bigoted, sexist or homophobic slurs. Mostly.

And I like most of the ways that ESO chooses to differentiate themselves from mmo generica - the guild stores instead of auction house, the lack of player inspection, the decision (so far) not to put advantage-giving weapons and gear in tbe cash shop, and the hard crackdown on bots and gold sellers after launch.

But please give us a barber shop and player housing. And fix the framerate and lag issues.

goatlyonesub17_ESO

I'm into ESO because of its connection with TES. Some of ESO's storyline might even be considered TES canon, such as the Triple-Banner War and the villainous deeds of Molag Bal and his minions. It was an insight into the characters of Mannimarco and Vanus Galarion, which until now had been nebulous. There hadn't been enough characterization for them in the TES games to really know them. We could infer that both of them were somewhat arrogant and self-important, since they were high elves, who tend to be that way. We sort of got that Vanus Galarion was a good guy while Mannimarco was eeeevil. But other than that it was just a big blank until ESO showed them to us.

KramUzibra

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

MMO are like fastfood. Can they make it more healthy, delicious...? Yes, but that would cut down the profit. ESO has a lots of potential, but ZOS, like any other MMO publishers, will not push it to its limit. They rather do 50% their best and get 70% of the money they could get, than work with 100% effort and only get 30% more. Any, ANY MMO are the same. The older the game, the worse. Game like LOTRO now like an old cow that is only fed 30% of what it should be, because Turbine and their boss have new younger cows to milk.

I couldn't care less!! Iv spent 2 grand so far with crowns and ESOPlus!! Milk me dry baby
I'm ready for them to release more outfits, mounts, pets, aND can't wait till housing !!

daemonios

KramUzibra wrote: »

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

MMO are like fastfood. Can they make it more healthy, delicious...? Yes, but that would cut down the profit. ESO has a lots of potential, but ZOS, like any other MMO publishers, will not push it to its limit. They rather do 50% their best and get 70% of the money they could get, than work with 100% effort and only get 30% more. Any, ANY MMO are the same. The older the game, the worse. Game like LOTRO now like an old cow that is only fed 30% of what it should be, because Turbine and their boss have new younger cows to milk.

I couldn't care less!! Iv spent 2 grand so far with crowns and ESOPlus!! Milk me dry baby
I'm ready for them to release more outfits, mounts, pets, aND can't wait till housing !!

And this is why companies go F2P. $2000 on a game? Of course they wouldn't want a fixed subscription model with some people willing to shell out as much as that.

tinythinker

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

WOW came out in 2004, of course it doesnt look like a current game. And i am not even a former WOW player, barely played it.

I wonder why they dont update it's graphics a bit though.

They are updating it a bit with every expansion. Look at the starter zones and compare them to WoD ones. Theres a huge difference. They also updated all the character models for WoD. Thing is they want the game to be playable on older machines too.

That's a big problem. Sure, you want to keep older players, but, the graphics and character controls are just falling too far behind. I'm not suggesting racing ahead and leaving a large number of players behind, but there needs to be a moving bubble of performance minimum/maximum.

HoloYoitsu

Congrats OP, you've discovered the essence of why so many of us are still in this game: there's no viable alternative atm.

akredon_ESO

ive learned to just go play something else for awhile when you get up set at ESO

technohic

jaburns wrote: »

So, I got pissed off at all the lag in Cyrodiil and Hew's Bane... and I was about to unsubscribe... but, since this is my first MMO- I wanted to check out other MMO's that were available. I went to MMORPG.com to see their top rated games. No, ESO is no longer on the top... but I did want to browse through some of the games and watch videos of the game play.

I came to a halting slap in the face. Most games look cartoony and the graphics suck. And, from what I can tell, everyone complains about the same thing on all MMOs... latency, FPS, and bugs. I mean, seriously, go check out videos of some of the 'top competitors" and you'll realize that ESO isn't bad at all. The top games like WOW, SWOTOR, DCUO, etc all look like games you can play on your mobile phone. Even though the newest competitor, BDO, has good graphics- but it still looks as if you're playing a Tekken game in between riding a horse from town to town. (It'll give you friggin' epilepsy!)

I don't know if this is a complaint or compliment thread anymore. Congrats Zeni- you have a beautiful game with a fantastic storyline and voice acting... but please work on the lag. I'll be over here eating a slice of humble pie.

You are not alone. That's why everyone romanticizes games that have not come out yet. The greatest MMO is never live.


They have a great game here if they can ever make it work right.

CaptainBeerDude

goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm into ESO because of its connection with TES. Some of ESO's storyline might even be considered TES canon, such as the Triple-Banner War and the villainous deeds of Molag Bal and his minions. It was an insight into the characters of Mannimarco and Vanus Galarion, which until now had been nebulous. There hadn't been enough characterization for them in the TES games to really know them. We could infer that both of them were somewhat arrogant and self-important, since they were high elves, who tend to be that way. We sort of got that Vanus Galarion was a good guy while Mannimarco was eeeevil. But other than that it was just a big blank until ESO showed them to us.

If you assume ESO is set during a Dragon Break, this is perfectly cannon. This would make it a period of time where nobody is able to define events exactly, the same hero (the Vestige) is described differently by even the same people and it is also a time of great strife and turmoil. And I though all ES games were set during Dragon Breaks to help them keep the canon how they want, but giving the players the freedom to do as they please.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

@technohic Its not just games that havent come out yet but games that have shut down as well. You're totally right about the best MMOs never being live.

I always sing the praises of SWG prior to NGE but of course I ignore some of the most brutal spawn camping? spawn killing? Idk even how to describe the laughable spawn system that spawned you across from your enemy making those respawn centers just body dumps the first month. In the course of 30 minutes if enough people were around you could watch your gear turn to dust. I really dont have anything to compare it too, it was hilarious, it was frustrating, and of course it isnt the part I talk about first with SWG.

TheValkyn

jaburns wrote: »

So, I got pissed off at all the lag in Cyrodiil and Hew's Bane... and I was about to unsubscribe... but, since this is my first MMO- I wanted to check out other MMO's that were available. I went to MMORPG.com to see their top rated games. No, ESO is no longer on the top... but I did want to browse through some of the games and watch videos of the game play.

I came to a halting slap in the face. Most games look cartoony and the graphics suck. And, from what I can tell, everyone complains about the same thing on all MMOs... latency, FPS, and bugs. I mean, seriously, go check out videos of some of the 'top competitors" and you'll realize that ESO isn't bad at all. The top games like WOW, SWOTOR, DCUO, etc all look like games you can play on your mobile phone. Even though the newest competitor, BDO, has good graphics- but it still looks as if you're playing a Tekken game in between riding a horse from town to town. (It'll give you friggin' epilepsy!)

I don't know if this is a complaint or compliment thread anymore. Congrats Zeni- you have a beautiful game with a fantastic storyline and voice acting... but please work on the lag. I'll be over here eating a slice of humble pie.

The games you mentioned work properly. This one does not. Is there any discussion to be had?

thehoov

KramUzibra wrote: »

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

MMO are like fastfood. Can they make it more healthy, delicious...? Yes, but that would cut down the profit. ESO has a lots of potential, but ZOS, like any other MMO publishers, will not push it to its limit. They rather do 50% their best and get 70% of the money they could get, than work with 100% effort and only get 30% more. Any, ANY MMO are the same. The older the game, the worse. Game like LOTRO now like an old cow that is only fed 30% of what it should be, because Turbine and their boss have new younger cows to milk.

I couldn't care less!! Iv spent 2 grand so far with crowns and ESOPlus!! Milk me dry baby
I'm ready for them to release more outfits, mounts, pets, aND can't wait till housing !!

Housing ?!??! My excitement level just skyrocketed