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Enduring Dragon [PvE Tank] by Luna Hlaalu v1.1 *Updated version*
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So since it was a while since I first posted my build and a lot of people back then liked it I thought it was time to update it a bit since I have changed a few things and gotten more CP(Capped now). So first of, this is a Stamina Based DK Tank build with focus on keeping block up as much as possible and still being able to help out with CC, debuffs and small heals. I play as a Dunmer but that is not for Min-Max in mind, I play Dunmer cause I like them. An Imperial would work a lot better for this build and get it to its full potential. Now this will be what I am currently running but there are things I want to change with it and I will talk about that later. But first to show of what you are here for:
And here are the skills, note that the chains are now called Unrelenting Grip, this thing just isn't updated, but it makes it look good.
So the biggest thing about this build is keeping your stamina up to be able to not only block but keep using your stamina abilities for taunt, debuff and heals. You have multiple ways of doing this. First of its the obvious, the Shards of a Templar, using one of those is gives you 25% Stamina back, which with my stats is 7624 Stamina. Second, you have your Earthen Heart abilities, using Igneous Shield gives you 5% Stamina back or in this case 1524. With the other Earthen Heart passive using any Ultimate also gives you back resources, a 250 ultimate like Warhorn gives you 50% of all 3 resources back, 15249 stamina in this case. Last 3 things are Synergies in general, heavy attacks and of course potions, with the undaunted passive Undaunted Command you get 4% of all resources back, 1219 stamina. A heavy attack with this set up gives you 1238 stamina.
Now as you can see we got a lot of ways to get back stamina, and learning how to manage that is really important for any tank. I know I said this builds focus is to keep block up as much as you can but you can't be to set in your way that you forget to put in heavy attacks and a few light weaves when the opportunity arises. Blocking is only a means to an end and not the end itself. If we take less damage as a tank it will leave the healer more time to help dealing damage, and in my opinion a healer helping doing damage is far more helpful than a tank trying to do it and taking more damage themselves making the healer focus more on keeping you alive.
Now I said I was gonna talk about what I want to change with my build, and its all gear related. As you can see I have 3 pieces of Agility, not really that necessary since I won't be doing that much damage anyway, and it was either that or 3 pieces of Endurance and the stamina regen seemed the lesser option. BUT, what I would want to change it to is 2 Endurance 2 Agility and a Master Sword. Now I know that the Master Sword is only v14 and therefor have less weapon damage but as I have said, dealing a lot of damage is not high on my priority list. Getting more self heals and more Max HP however is pretty high up there, cause again as said if I can be more self sustaining then the healer can focus more on doing damage and he will do a lot more than me.
The next thing I would change when I get it is to flip all my Hist bark for the new Set Lunar Bastion. I tested its 5 pieces on the PTS and I'm loving it, if you work your synergies right you can keep it up through out any fight. And giving out 2.5k Damage shield every 2 seconds is pretty nice in my opinion. And when I get that, the last thing I would do would be to change all my Stamina glyphs to tri-glyphs. It would not change my Hp or Stamina that much as long as I redistribute my Attributes right, but it would however up my max magicka quite a lot. Only reason I am not doing that yet is cause its expensive as hell and I wouldn't want to do it on a set I am hoping to replace.
Now I hope that helped a bit. I know I didn't talk about my choices of skills that much but I would rather just link you to the original page and then if you have any questions feel free to ask them here. I know that this set up is not for everyone cause player style is different for everyone but it works for me, nothing I have not been able to tank with this so far. All HM's in Trials, with exception of vMoL of course, and done all Veteran Dungeons with ease. But again, take this as a starting point and make your own mind up, and test what works for you.
ORIGINAL BUILD POST HERE
And here are the skills, note that the chains are now called Unrelenting Grip, this thing just isn't updated, but it makes it look good.
So the biggest thing about this build is keeping your stamina up to be able to not only block but keep using your stamina abilities for taunt, debuff and heals. You have multiple ways of doing this. First of its the obvious, the Shards of a Templar, using one of those is gives you 25% Stamina back, which with my stats is 7624 Stamina. Second, you have your Earthen Heart abilities, using Igneous Shield gives you 5% Stamina back or in this case 1524. With the other Earthen Heart passive using any Ultimate also gives you back resources, a 250 ultimate like Warhorn gives you 50% of all 3 resources back, 15249 stamina in this case. Last 3 things are Synergies in general, heavy attacks and of course potions, with the undaunted passive Undaunted Command you get 4% of all resources back, 1219 stamina. A heavy attack with this set up gives you 1238 stamina.
Now as you can see we got a lot of ways to get back stamina, and learning how to manage that is really important for any tank. I know I said this builds focus is to keep block up as much as you can but you can't be to set in your way that you forget to put in heavy attacks and a few light weaves when the opportunity arises. Blocking is only a means to an end and not the end itself. If we take less damage as a tank it will leave the healer more time to help dealing damage, and in my opinion a healer helping doing damage is far more helpful than a tank trying to do it and taking more damage themselves making the healer focus more on keeping you alive.
Now I said I was gonna talk about what I want to change with my build, and its all gear related. As you can see I have 3 pieces of Agility, not really that necessary since I won't be doing that much damage anyway, and it was either that or 3 pieces of Endurance and the stamina regen seemed the lesser option. BUT, what I would want to change it to is 2 Endurance 2 Agility and a Master Sword. Now I know that the Master Sword is only v14 and therefor have less weapon damage but as I have said, dealing a lot of damage is not high on my priority list. Getting more self heals and more Max HP however is pretty high up there, cause again as said if I can be more self sustaining then the healer can focus more on doing damage and he will do a lot more than me.
The next thing I would change when I get it is to flip all my Hist bark for the new Set Lunar Bastion. I tested its 5 pieces on the PTS and I'm loving it, if you work your synergies right you can keep it up through out any fight. And giving out 2.5k Damage shield every 2 seconds is pretty nice in my opinion. And when I get that, the last thing I would do would be to change all my Stamina glyphs to tri-glyphs. It would not change my Hp or Stamina that much as long as I redistribute my Attributes right, but it would however up my max magicka quite a lot. Only reason I am not doing that yet is cause its expensive as hell and I wouldn't want to do it on a set I am hoping to replace.
Now I hope that helped a bit. I know I didn't talk about my choices of skills that much but I would rather just link you to the original page and then if you have any questions feel free to ask them here. I know that this set up is not for everyone cause player style is different for everyone but it works for me, nothing I have not been able to tank with this so far. All HM's in Trials, with exception of vMoL of course, and done all Veteran Dungeons with ease. But again, take this as a starting point and make your own mind up, and test what works for you.
ORIGINAL BUILD POST HERE
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Marktoneth3✭✭✭My next cha will be TANK NB
So I have a quiestion here
how can I get engine guardian set/blood spawn set ?0 -
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✭✭✭The shoulders for both sets are from either the Silver or the Gold key that you get from the Pledges. The Helmet for Engine Guardian drops from the last boss of Veteran Darkshade Cavers and the Blood Spawn Helmet drops from the last boss in Veteran Spindleclutch.1 -
Marktoneth3✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »The shoulders for both sets are from either the Silver or the Gold key that you get from the Pledges. The Helmet for Engine Guardian drops from the last boss of Veteran Darkshade Cavers and the Blood Spawn Helmet drops from the last boss in Veteran Spindleclutch.
Thank you so much,bro
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Steel_Brightblade✭✭✭✭Are you sure that set is a good idea, I keep reading that damage that over flows from a damage shield hits you at full power and doesn't take your mitigation into account, for example if you have a damage shield of 2k and the boss hits for 10K your shield will absorb 2k damage but you will take a full 8K. Where as with no damage shield and your mitigation of approx 50% you would take 5K damage from the same hit. I can't test this as I'm on console so I'm relying on PC users giving the info but I did notice when I stopped using igneous Shield (use igneous weapons for the earthen Heart passive instead) a lot less high damage spikes.0 -
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✭✭Steel_Brightblade wrote: »Are you sure that set is a good idea, I keep reading that damage that over flows from a damage shield hits you at full power and doesn't take your mitigation into account, for example if you have a damage shield of 2k and the boss hits for 10K your shield will absorb 2k damage but you will take a full 8K. Where as with no damage shield and your mitigation of approx 50% you would take 5K damage from the same hit. I can't test this as I'm on console so I'm relying on PC users giving the info but I did notice when I stopped using igneous Shield (use igneous weapons for the earthen Heart passive instead) a lot less high damage spikes.
Well , that seems like a console thing . Because I am nearly always using Igneous Shield while tanking and I would have noticed if that was real . It probably is something else but who knows . It may be 'working as intended' .0 -
Steel_Brightblade✭✭✭✭I forget where I originally read it but just recently, a tank for a PC guild, hodor, mentioned it too. I don't know who hodor are to be honest but a lot if other people seemed to say they are a top raiding guild.0
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✭✭✭So this is what I did. I went to AA and used the first boss, the atro for some testing. I took off all my gear to see what his base damage was. His bash was 14611. My Igneous Shield shields for 9634 damage. So if your statement was true then after using up my shield I would take 4977 damage, cause that would be what was left if not mitigated. But it didn't. I only took 1048. Which if I use my mitigation calculations on the damage that should have hit me sums up perfectly with my current mitigation. So no it does not go through your armor and block if the shield runs out.
Funny enough though. When I used minor maim on the boss and then took a hit with his bash while having a damage shield up I only took 586 damage. This is cause the minor maim applies to him and not me, which means his damage output first got reduced to 12419 and then applies to my shield, again 9634, and so that's 2785 worth of damage left, but again my mitigation that was left not counting maim twice sums it up to 586.
So this proves 2 things. Even after a shield you will mitigate damage, and for all those who doubted it, minor maim works on bosses.0 -
Steel_Brightblade✭✭✭✭Thanks good to hear, the theory seems quite popular as I know I've read it a few times but had no way to test it properly myself.0
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✭✭✭Its all in the build. But I guess I forgot to mention I use the Blue Stamina and Health Food for v15.0 -
sickboy2808✭✭✭Oh so you dont use Tri FoodZOS takes cheating very Lightly. You have been warned, and any cheaters found out will get the Least punishment possible...0
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Vendy✭✭✭Paul I absolutely love tanking in this style. Thanks to your help I have been able to preform well as a tank. As I was running the same armor and such my only changes have been so far:
- 2 Endurance Weapon
- Agility Ring
+ Masters Sword
+ Endurance ring
+ Agility Sword
Implosìon | Pact Stamina Sorcerer
'Vendy | Pact Magicka Templar
Vendÿ | Dominion Stamina Templar0 -
sickboy2808✭✭✭Is it Truley superb glypyh of shielding on the rings??ZOS takes cheating very Lightly. You have been warned, and any cheaters found out will get the Least punishment possible...0
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All my glyphs are v16 legendary. So yessickboy2808 wrote: »Is it Truley superb glypyh of shielding on the rings??
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sickboy2808✭✭✭Will you be updating this when the new DLC hits with the changes to sturdy TraitZOS takes cheating very Lightly. You have been warned, and any cheaters found out will get the Least punishment possible...0
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✭✭✭Most likely, but my testing isnt done yet so still not 100% on what I will do.1 -
mertusta✭✭✭✭Well done and good explanation. First of all I'm not expert on tanking, but what I really want to know is why do you prefer hist bark? If you wear armor mastery and use shuffle you will get same 20% dodge chance. Am i missing something
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✭✭✭With all the stamina abilities I am already using I think the cost is too high, makes it harder to keep my stamina up, as well its another ability on my bar and I got what I want on there right now. And sure a bit higher resists will give me higher mitigation but what I get with what I have is enough. Hard cap or even close to it is not necessary.0 -
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✭✭✭With your focus on stamina, why not GDB?
Because Green Dragon Blood only increases your Stamina Recovery, if you are blocking you will have Zero Stamina Recovery, its a useless buff for a tank.0 -
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Well I guess it must be me then who is not blocking 100% of all trash attacks. I find stamina recovery damn useful.0 -
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✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »
Well I guess it must be me then who is not blocking 100% of all trash attacks. I find stamina recovery damn useful.
If I tank Manitkora, Serpent, Warrior, or basically any Trial Boss where I can't stop blocking cause it will wreck me I will much rather have the Healing Received from the Coagulating Blood rather than the Stamina recovery from the Green Dragon Blood that will not give me anything.2 -
sickboy2808✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Most likely, but my testing isnt done yet so still not 100% on what I will do.
Look forward to seeing it. ThanxZOS takes cheating very Lightly. You have been warned, and any cheaters found out will get the Least punishment possible...0