people who didn't buy the DLC content get excluded from pledges??

Pepsi2853_ESO

wtf? couldn't they simple have just made an alternate pledge quest giver for those with DLC content? now those without the DLC don't get a pledge to do for the day. this is excluding content that was first available at the base purchase, (having a pledge to do everyday), and making it so some now don't get a pledge to do for the day.

opinions.

Spliffo

It's one day you will live cupcake

phaneub17_ESO

I don't have the DLC, but I don't have a problem with pledges being a DLC dungeon, they have to come up at some point it would be wrong to exclude them from the list of pledges. You still have the other one which isn't DLC to do, like the other guy said its one day not like its going to be there every day.

hydrocynus

I have the DLCs and have to agree with you it's not on.

You are going to get more upset though.

Tomorrow you won't be able to do pledges either as white gold tower always follows imperial city prison.

But wait. There's more. Did you know that those that do the DLC gold pledges on vet hard mode will get two gold keys today and two gold keys tomorrow? That's 4 gold keys they will have before you get to do another pledge.

I guess is logical though. If you pay for something is nice to get more than those that don't pay for it so u can see that side of it too.

nordsavage

Why would you play a game like this and not expand the content? I am fine with content excluding people from activities and items. That is one of the reasons why I pay for it.

Samadhi

Who knows no fear of subs or crowns?
Undaunted! Undaunted!

If it makes you feel any better, getting the DLC meant getting a dungeon I will never run.

Pepsi2853_ESO

nordsavage wrote: »

Why would you play a game like this and not expand the content? I am fine with content excluding people from activities and items. That is one of the reasons why I pay for it.

i'm not asking for them to stop expanding content. was i not clear in saying they should create an alternate pledge giver for those with the dlc, and keep the regular pledge giver for those who haven't gotten the dlc yet?

mb10

If you are referring to imperial city prison then 1. you're about 7 months late and 2. Its more of a hassle finding a good group than doing it and thats saying something

nordsavage

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

nordsavage wrote: »

Why would you play a game like this and not expand the content? I am fine with content excluding people from activities and items. That is one of the reasons why I pay for it.

i'm not asking for them to stop expanding content. was i not clear in saying they should create an alternate pledge giver for those with the dlc, and keep the regular pledge giver for those who haven't gotten the dlc yet?

I was not talking about the devs expanding the game I was talking about you the player purchasing expansions. Mine and everyone's continuing purchases of DLC are what drive the game forward so if you do not want to keep up I really do not care if you get left in the dust.

LadyNalcarya

Just because someone doesnt want to buy dlc doesnt mean that everyone else should get same pledges from 1.5.

DDemon

I buy all the DLC's regardless whether I like them or not, but I do believe that something needs to be done for people that don't have access to certain DLC's. Especially if or when they will add even more dungeons.

I've suggested in the past to perhaps find a way to temporarily give access to DLC dungeons when they are pledges.

Fruitmass

DDemon wrote: »

I buy all the DLC's regardless whether I like them or not, but I do believe that something needs to be done for people that don't have access to certain DLC's. Especially if or when they will add even more dungeons.

I've suggested in the past to perhaps find a way to temporarily give access to DLC dungeons when they are pledges.

They really wouldn't have to. They just have to set up a simple check to see if the player has the DLC available to do the dungeon and if they don't then it would just give a base game alternate instead. It's not that different from how they handled writs with the Orsinium DLC.

Does the player have access to Orsinium? If yes they can pick up/turn tier 10 writs in Wrothgar. If no then they can pick up/turn in tier 9 writs in Craglorn.

Pretty much the same thing can be done with pledges.
Does the player have Imperial City? If yes they can pick up/turn in WGT and ICP pledges when they're available. If not they can pick up/turn in base game pledges instead.

Same thing later on down the line as new DLC and dungeons get added.

Does the player have DLC X? If yes, any associated dungeons get added to the pool of available pledges. If no, they'll only get pledges for dungeons they have access to.

The integrity of DLC exclusive content is protected. Nobody's blocked from doing their daily pledge. Everybody's happy.

ClockworkArc

Its $20.

Stop thinking of elderscrolls as b2p.

Its a $20 quarterly subscription. Problem solved.

Greiver

Pepsi2853_ESO wrote: »

wtf? couldn't they simple have just made an alternate pledge quest giver for those with DLC content? now those without the DLC don't get a pledge to do for the day. this is excluding content that was first available at the base purchase, (having a pledge to do everyday), and making it so some now don't get a pledge to do for the day.

opinions.

If your not going to support the game by buying dlc or subbing, then why should they cater to you?

Some of the threads coming up lately are very pathetic.

LiquidSchwartz

mb10 wrote: »

If you are referring to imperial city prison then 1. you're about 7 months late and 2. Its more of a hassle finding a good group than doing it and thats saying something

The truth in this is amazing

code65536

mb10 wrote: »

If you are referring to imperial city prison then 1. you're about 7 months late and 2. Its more of a hassle finding a good group than doing it and thats saying something

LOL. If ZOS did what the OP suggests, the next complaint you'll see on these forums are PUGs complaining that they can't get the easy vet pledge because they have the IC DLC.

And imagine the mess that'll create--the whole point of the pledge system was to get everyone "on the same page" each day. Imagine when the pledge population is split in two.

pecheckler

You jerks shitting all over this complaint need to stop defending this atrocious tactic used by the game industry. It goes right along with all the other BS Zenimax has pulled ever since the subscription was ditched.

incentivizing new paid content is one thing but this is intentional limitations on previously available features until an additional purchase is made.

code65536

pecheckler wrote: »

You jerks shitting all over this complaint need to stop defending this atrocious tactic used by the game industry. It goes right along with all the other BS Zenimax has pulled ever since the subscription was ditched.

incentivizing new paid content is one thing but this is intentional limitations on previously available features until an additional purchase is made.

If someone cared enough about BiS gear that they religiously do the Undaunted dailies, then they wouldn't miss out on IC in the first place, as there is a lot of really good gear there: Imperium, Scathing Mage, and Spell Power Cure. Not to mention, it's the only 4-man content right now that is of any challenge.

If someone just wants to do a dungeon on IC pledge days... well, what's stopping them? Queue for a random vet dungeon, or ask your friends do go faceroll Elden Hollow. You get the content that you paid for. And paying for IC means you get 2 extra days worth of vet pledges.

There's no reason for ZOS to bend over backwards for this. It's extra complexity that they'll have to devote resources and code for. And all for what? The number of people who care enough about group PvE to care about pledges, but not enough to get the DLC that grants them the only challenging/rewarding non-trial group PvE is, I'd imagine, rather small.

Pepsi2853_ESO

code65536 wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

You jerks shitting all over this complaint need to stop defending this atrocious tactic used by the game industry. It goes right along with all the other BS Zenimax has pulled ever since the subscription was ditched.

incentivizing new paid content is one thing but this is intentional limitations on previously available features until an additional purchase is made.

If someone cared enough about BiS gear that they religiously do the Undaunted dailies, then they wouldn't miss out on IC in the first place, as there is a lot of really good gear there: Imperium, Scathing Mage, and Spell Power Cure. Not to mention, it's the only 4-man content right now that is of any challenge.

If someone just wants to do a dungeon on IC pledge days... well, what's stopping them? Queue for a random vet dungeon, or ask your friends do go faceroll Elden Hollow. You get the content that you paid for. And paying for IC means you get 2 extra days worth of vet pledges.

There's no reason for ZOS to bend over backwards for this. It's extra complexity that they'll have to devote resources and code for. And all for what? The number of people who care enough about group PvE to care about pledges, but not enough to get the DLC that grants them the only challenging/rewarding non-trial group PvE is, I'd imagine, rather small.

do you realize how little code, design, and time it would take for them to have simply added an extra NPC to give vet pledges specifically to those that have the DLC content? it's not like this is a big dlc sized content i'm asking for. just 1 NPC to separate the DLC pledges from the non-DLC pledges, so everyone gets a pledge to do everyday regardless of whether you have the DLC or not. this isn't asking them to "bend over backwards," this is asking them to have common decency to their base that haven't bought the DLC yet. it's obvious that them excluding people that don't have the DLC for the pledge that day was a business decision to incentivize people to buy their DLC, not due to a lack of resources needed for code. you're telling me asking them to create one measly NPC to separate the DLC pledges from the non-DLC pledges is too much code for them to handle? it'd take less time than designing one quest, are there's already too many quests in this game.

lathbury

pecheckler wrote: »

You jerks shitting all over this complaint need to stop defending this atrocious tactic used by the game industry. It goes right along with all the other BS Zenimax has pulled ever since the subscription was ditched.

incentivizing new paid content is one thing but this is intentional limitations on previously available features until an additional purchase is made.

nah tbf if zos really wanted to be ass hats they wouldnt have willpower and agility set pieces dropping in non dlc content they would keep that firmly behind the paywall.

CaptainBeerDude

hmmm. People complaining about not getting things they didn't pay for. Seems standard for forum discussions. Carry on.

Faasnu

Why instead of being happy that the game is subscription-free you continue to complain? A tiny change to the old content appears and there you go, complaining about those nasty, nasty DLCs. I agree that there could be an additional NPC who would give pledges to those who bought DLC, I see no problem with that, but I'm so surprised with your level of hatred towards DLCs.

Elektrakosh

They should make up to date pledges for base game. You know, to keep the longevity. Not everyone can afford dlcs, myself included.

Tonnopesce

I have all the dlc and yesterday i've compleated my first ICP run, only because there is a daily pledge it does not mean you can do it.
Take a day off or something.

Ballzy321

Or buy the dlc problem solved

sirrmattus

I think worse than the pledges is the v16 mats. how the hell are you supposed to get them if you do not have the DLC? The only other way is to decon armor and weapns (when you find them)

Flaminir

When new stuff is added it will inevitably affect & interact with existing systems... there is no realistic way that ZoS can maintain the base game in it's exact state as the whole game moves forward... you would almost end up with two games over time.

I used to be able to do a gold key everyday
I used to have easy places to farm top level mats
I am a top level crafter & can no longer craft all sets.

The list could go on and on....

To be fair they have made some concessions and made stuff available in other places for those without the DLC's:

Willpower/Agility/Endurance dropping from base game vet dungeons
Wrothgar sets dropping from cyrodiil chests
Monster sets from DLC dungeons dropping via the new Cyrodiil vendor
DLC sets dropping from cyrodiil vendor

As well as the economy enabling many to sell (Some) stuff.

Whilst I fully acknowledge that it must be a bit annoying on one or two things without the DLC's... looking at the big picture I think they've made a decent job of the compromise on this one.

Plus... playing devil's advocate here... they ARE a business... so for all those knocking them and saying 'Typical ZoS trying to get our money'..... well, yeah, they are. And there's nothing wrong with that. No money = no game.

If they wanted to be REALLY oppressive and cash grabby they didn't need to make any concessions at all.... just lock ALL this new gear and equipment etc behind a pay wall.

Enodoc

This was brought up back in August when it was on PTS. The general conclusion was that, while an "alternate" cycle was a nice idea, it would firstly be hard to maintain as new DLCs add new dungeons (for every new DLC, you'd need to exponentially increase the number of possible cycles to cover all permutations of owning/not owning specific DLCs), and it would secondly mean that the cycles would get out of sync with each other, meaning everyone would get a different pledge on a single day.

Gedalya

Spliffo wrote: »

It's one day you will live cupcake

Yes they will live; however this is something easily re-mediated. For example on days when a DLC pledge is given there should be an alternate random pledge from the same provider when the conditional is met that you don't have access to the dungeon. It's fairly simple and gives at least a nod to those who are not subbing or buying DLC that the game in fact doesn't require a sub. et al. as advertised. I played other games where short-sighted design like this is frustrating. People just want to play; they don't want a screen to pop-up saying "Oh, sucks to be you, you should have bought this extra feature.".

Fruitmass

Enodoc wrote: »

This was brought up back in August when it was on PTS. The general conclusion was that, while an "alternate" cycle was a nice idea, it would firstly be hard to maintain as new DLCs add new dungeons (for every new DLC, you'd need to exponentially increase the number of possible cycles to cover all permutations of owning/not owning specific DLCs), and it would secondly mean that the cycles would get out of sync with each other, meaning everyone would get a different pledge on a single day.

Lets say the cycle goes

1. Banished cells
2. Crypt of Hearts
3. Fungal Grotto
4. Volenfell
5. Darkshade Caverns
6. Tempest Island
7. Wayrest Sewers
8. Selene's Web
9. Arx Corinium
10. Vaults of Madness
11. Blackheart Haven
12. City of Ash
13. Spindleclutch
14. Blessed Crucible
15. Elden Hollow
16. Direfrost Keep
17. White Gold Tower / Fungal Grotto
18. Imperial City Prison / Spindleclutch
19. DLC X / Vaults of Madness
20. DLC Y / Crypt of Hearts
21. DLC Z / Volenfell

The cycle would fall out of synch if it reset after Direfrost Keep for those who didn't have the DLC dungeons and kept going for those who did. However, if they tied a base game dungeon as a place holder to each DLC dungeon to run as an alternate they could keep the cycle going. Then it's just a quick check to see if the player has DLC access, if yes DLC dungeon / if no placeholder.

Getting the same pledge multiple days in a row would be a possibility sure but in comparison to not being able to do the pledge at all it's small potatoes..

kurioskurion

Spliffo wrote: »

It's one day you will live cupcake

Is there really anything else to say than this?