I wasn't enjoying the Elderscrolls, until I read this...

Soundwave

At first it started as good read, then it turned into (like when u walk into a room of full rpers, awkward.)

Elmour0Fudd

Can see I need to do some begging here.

Please will someone strip out the Lore part's written or found by or from Vorcil and so many others,
can tell that a lot of though and time has gone into some of it

put it under a heading of
" So you've Played the game but do you Know the LORE? "

would help so many noob's that just don't know and are struggling to find the information.

[/Pretty Please with sugar and a Cherryb]

shadowwraith666

Vorcil wrote: »

THIS IS FROM AN ACTUAL ELDERSCROLL:

When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world - Jager tharn and the staff of chaos TES:Arena

When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped The numidium and warp to the west event

When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles - The blight (TES III) and the eruption of Red mountain in 4E

When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls - The death of uriel Septim VII and the sacking of white gold tower by the thalmor

When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding death of high-king Toreg at the hands of Jarl Ulfrec


fixed that for you

Vorcil

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

This is just snowball crazy theory and there nothing in the lore to truly back it however it could fit with the lore in many ways.

The original name of the white gold tower being the Temple of the Ten Ancestors. Perhaps the Ayleids knew something of the future and of the TEN divines, and the 10 ancestors name refers to the fact there would one day be 10 Divines.

My theory is that the player in the single player Elder Scrolls game is the unspoken 10th Divine with their character as an avatar of that Divine seeking to set things how they are destined to go by the scrolls. When you think about it there is a certain fit to this idea, our characters can make deals with the Deadric lords without the consequences normal mortals face, we can read elder scrolls without going blind like other mortals, we gain power that no NPC mortals in the games can match. Who else could do these things other then the avatar of a Divine? And why would mention of this Divine need be made if we are indeed that Divine, a god would know they are a god after all.

This theory would make ESO even more of a dragon break however as how could their be so many avatars of the same divine running around at the same time. It would however fit in with the solo aspects of the story with the only flaw being when we become a vessal of Akatosh. How would a mortal without their soul escape coldharbour and not be left looking like a soul shriven after all or many other questions on how we could accomplish what we do in that story.

Is the blessing of Akatosh even really that or just the Amulet of Kings fully awakening our own divine power for a time could be asked as well.

The secrets behind our characters and the roots of how they learn so fast and grow so powerful is just another of the wonderful mysteries in the Elder scrolls world, and we have no way to ever know if this theory is purely crazy or dead on.

I'm going to try write my perspective of what's going on from a birds eye perspective/nutshell perspective:

Chim is the term given to someone who has made a realization; essentially the universe governed within the Elderscrolls is one big day dream, a manifestation, just a thought, of the one called 'godhead';

Within that, all the gods, from Lorkhan, Mundus and Akatosh for example, are all 'aspects' of this god's personality;

The 'godhead' is some kind of schitzophrenic being with infinite power;

Inside this dream, the unvierse was manifested into various components, different 'realms' different oblivions, for which each of this 'godhead's personalities exhibited and had free form to create and control their worlds at their will;

At the centre of this, was Nirn, created by Mundus, potentially the biggest / most important aspect of the 'godhead';

Mundus has left this dream, depicted by the stars; the Aetherial wall of which his power to manifest the universe still shines through;

Imagine this as god having a powerfull daydream, then waking up, his day dream manifested itself, but is no longer directly controlled by god; now this universe is being run amuck between light and dark, order and chaos, in so many different dualities; that the parts of his personality were left instanced and imaged behind

Now the term 'dragonbreak' being some form of the universe, one of the many infinite possibilities, for each time this 'godhead' had dreamed

This is the basic premise behind the universe of the Elderscrolls

The word Chim, is described to those who have understood this; including Talos (who ascended to godhood), the tribunal (like Vivec), even the disciples of Hermaeus Mora, i.e., Miraak;

Parts of the godhead, like Akatosh, have exhibited their own split personalities, 'aspects', i.e., the dragonborn.

~ I could go on for years.. ..

Vorcil

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Loveletter_From_the_Fifth_Era,_The_True_Purpose_of_Tamriel

Vorcil

I only made that song, for people to easily consume some lore without having to read through thousands of mini stories

Vorcil

waterfairy

Vorcil wrote: »

The 'godhead' is some kind of schitzophrenic being with infinite power;

It's Michael Kirkbride...the guy is responsible for much of the lore and the madness within. It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to read the insanity in his writing.

Vorcil

Vigarr wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

The 'godhead' is some kind of schitzophrenic being with infinite power;

It's Michael Kirkbride...the guy is responsible for much of the lore and the madness within. It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to read the insanity in his writing.

Hehe it's when you start thinking that the real universe isn't so different from the core one in TES that you become actually insane :P

a1i3nz

Brass tower = Numidium if I'm not mistaken

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I'm not even sure where I am anymore?..

Enodoc

When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world refers to the Staff of Chaos being split into eight pieces and scattered across Tamriel, not to ESO.

Vorcil

Enodoc wrote: »

When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world refers to the Staff of Chaos being split into eight pieces and scattered across Tamriel, not to ESO.

How do you know this?

The eight pieces are in:

Fang Lair in Hammerfell
Labyrinthian in Skyrim
Elden Grove in Valenwood
Halls of Colossus in Elsweyr
Crystal Tower in Summerset Isles
Crypt of Hearts in High Rock
Murkwood in Black Marsh
Dagoth-Ur in Morrowind

When it refers to 'eight corners of the world' it's talking about locations; I didn't play Arena; I only came up with my own interpretation of what the prophecy meant.

I still haven't been able to find an explicit / semi official referal to this;

'[The Elderscroll's original revelation:]
When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world - Arena (or ESO :P)
When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped - Daggerfall
When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles - Morrowind
When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls - Oblivion / Cyrodiil
When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding - Skyrim
The World-Eater wakes, and the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn.' - Skyrim / (wheel turns upon the last dragon born, I still feel may not be refering to Skyrim)

Do you not agree that each line is refering to a chronological event? :P

I'm sure even if you disagree I can still do what ZOS did and use a dragonbreak to explain everything 'huhuhu' :P

IrishGirlGamer

This may be the best thread every posted on this forum.

Nice work all.

Enodoc

Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world refers to the Staff of Chaos being split into eight pieces and scattered across Tamriel, not to ESO.

How do you know this?

The eight pieces are in:

Fang Lair in Hammerfell
Labyrinthian in Skyrim
Elden Grove in Valenwood
Halls of Colossus in Elsweyr
Crystal Tower in Summerset Isles
Crypt of Hearts in High Rock
Murkwood in Black Marsh
Dagoth-Ur in Morrowind

When it refers to 'eight corners of the world' it's talking about locations; I didn't play Arena; I only came up with my own interpretation of what the prophecy meant.

I still haven't been able to find an explicit / semi official referal to this;

'[The Elderscroll's original revelation:]
When misrule takes its place at the eight corners of the world - Arena (or ESO :P)
When the Brass Tower walks and Time is reshaped - Daggerfall
When the thrice-blessed fail and the Red Tower trembles - Morrowind
When the Dragonborn Ruler loses his throne, and the White Tower falls - Oblivion / Cyrodiil
When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding - Skyrim
The World-Eater wakes, and the Wheel turns upon the Last Dragonborn.' - Skyrim / (wheel turns upon the last dragon born, I still feel may not be refering to Skyrim)

Do you not agree that each line is refering to a chronological event? :P

I'm sure even if you disagree I can still do what ZOS did and use a dragonbreak to explain everything 'huhuhu' :P

"Misrule" is Jagar Tharn's usurpation of the Septim line, and it was caused by the Staff of Chaos. To cement his "misrule", Tharn scattered the staff to the eight locations you mention. In ESO, there are three warring factions, not eight.

Yes, I do believe it's referring to a chronological set of events. Each event being the main focus of each successive main line Elder Scrolls title. For a game that came out before ESO, it would make no sense for Skyrim to reference events of ESO, as it didn't exist. The fact that there are five entries and five games means it can't really be referencing anything else.

Number_51

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

<snip>

The original name of the white gold tower being the Temple of the Ten Ancestors. Perhaps the Ayleids knew something of the future and of the TEN divines, and the 10 ancestors name refers to the fact there would one day be 10 Divines.

My theory is that the player in the single player Elder Scrolls game is the unspoken 10th Divine with their character as an avatar of that Divine seeking to set things how they are destined to go by the scrolls. When you think about it there is a certain fit to this idea, our characters can make deals with the Deadric lords without the consequences normal mortals face, we can read elder scrolls without going blind like other mortals, we gain power that no NPC mortals in the games can match. Who else could do these things other then the avatar of a Divine? And why would mention of this Divine need be made if we are indeed that Divine, a god would know they are a god after all.

</snip>

All very interesting and not much to add other then... I'm not sure where I got this into my head, whether from lore or if it's just something came up with on my own, but aren't the Ten Ancestors just the Eight + Lorkhan (*who was cast out/down) + Magnus (*who escaped/ascended)?

* From my own Bosmer point of view of couse

ETA: Wow. Nevermind me. I apparently forgot all about Umbacano and all the info in that questline from Oblivion.

Vorcil

...the Tower

Hasphat Antabolis:

Vehk is it? Well well. Perhaps you better start with a smaller bite than the "true nature of the Psijiics" if we hope to have a complete answer before the Dragon Breaks once and for all. Unless my readings on Dwemer numerology are mistaken, the Psijiic Endeavor touches the heart of most of the mysteries of this world. Ha ha, thankfully I am under no self-imposed obligation to speak clearly!

So, Thief, let us begin with something smaller, but still large enough for those of us still within Time. Tell us of the Psijiics and their relation to the Marukhati Selectives (and, by extension, to the Tower).

"By extension, to the Tower..."?

It extends the other way, I'm afraid. But yes, let's go that way, spinning. I have spoken of this in an earlier life [21].

What is the Tower?

The Tower is an ideal, which, in our world of myth and magic, means that it is so real that it becomes dangerous. It is the existence of the True Self within the Universal Self, and is embodied by the fourth constellation, and is guarded by the Thief, the third. The Thief is another metaphorical absolute; in this case, he represents the “taking of the Tower” or, and sometimes more importantly, the “taking” of the Tower’s secret.

What is the Tower’s secret?

How to permanently exist beyond duplexity, antithesis, or trouble. This is not an easy concept, I know. Imagine being able to feel with all of your senses the relentless alien terror that is God and your place in it, which is everywhere and therefore nowhere, and realizing that it means the total dissolution of your individuality into boundless being. Imagine that and then still being able to say “I”. The “I” is the Tower.

What created the Tower?

The Wheel created it. The Wheel is the structure of this universe, and it is easiest to see it that way: rim, spokes, hub, and all the spaces within and without. I shall take each in turn.

What created the Wheel?

Anu and Padhome, stasis and change, both vast realms sitting in the void, they created it. Not vast, infinite, as the void was infinite. Imagine an infinity enclosed by another; you come away with a bubble. Now watch as the two bubbles touch. Their intersection is a perfect circle of pattern and possibility that we shall call the Aurbis. The Aurbis is the foundation of the Wheel.

What are the spaces within and without of the Wheel?

Outside the wheel is the void, bereft of anything. It cannot be named. If it has more aspects than stasis and change, they are outside of true language. Inside of the Wheel is the Aurbis, as I have explained.

What is the rim of the Wheel?

As the process of subcreation continued, both Anu and Padhome awakened. For to see your antithesis is to finally awaken. Each gave birth to their souls, Auriel and Sithis, and these souls regarded the Aurbis each in their own part, and from this came the etada, the original patterns. These etada eventually congealed.

Anu’s firstborn, for he mostly desired order, was time, anon Akatosh. Padhome’s firstborn went wandering from the start, changing as he went, and wanted no name but was branded with Lorkhan. As time allowed more and more patterns to individualize, Lorkhan watched the Aurbis shape itself and grew equally delighted and tired with each new shaping. As the gods and demons of the Aurbis erupted, the get of Padhome tried to leave it all behind for he wanted all of it and none of it all at once. It was then that he came to the border of the Aurbis.

He saw the Tower, for a circle turned sideways is an “I”. This was the first word of Lorkhan and he would never, ever forget it.

What are the spokes of the Wheel?

For ages the etada grew and shaped and destroyed each other and destroyed each other’s creations. Some were like Lorkhan and discovered the void outside of the Aurbis, though if some saw the Tower I do not know, but I know that, if they did, none held it in such high esteem. In any case, some of those that did see the void created its like inside the Aurbis, but each of these smaller voids sought each other out. Void shall follow void; the etada called it Oblivion. What was left of the Aurbis was solid change, otherwise known as magic. The etada called this Aetherius.

Now Lorkhan had by at this point seen everything there was to see, and could accept none of it. Here were the etada with their magic and their voids and everything in between and he yearned for the return to flux but at the same time he could not bear to lose his identity. He did not know what he wanted, but he knew how to build it. Through trickery (“We have made the Aurbis unstable with the voids”) and wisdom (“We are of two minds and so should make a perfect gem of compromise”) and force (“Do what I say, rude spirit”), he bound some of the strongest etada to create the World.

The spokes of the Wheel are the eight gifts of the Aedra, sons and daughters of Aetherius. The voids between each spoke number sixteen, and their masters are the sons and daughters of Oblivion. The center of the Wheel was another circle, the hub, which held everything together. The etada called this Mundus.

What is the hub of the Wheel?

We are the hub, the Mundus that goes by many names. We are the heart of all creation. What does this mean? Why should we care? Lorkhan created it so that we could find what he did. In fact, and here is the secret: the hub is the reflection of its creators, the circle within the circle, only the border to ours is so much easier to see. Stand in its flux and remain whole of mind. Look at it sideways and see the “I”.

This is the Tower.

Now then, yes, that's a good place to start, I think. Where shall we go from here, endeavor or break or the endeavor to break?

Vorcil

"Lorkhan's" heart is torn out as punishment for his creation of the mortal plane.

Sep, however, needed more punishment, and so Tall Papa squashed the Snake with a big stick. The hunger fell out of Sep's dead mouth and was the only thing left of the Second Serpent. - Sakal the World Skin

Finally Trinimac, Auriel's greatest knight, knocked Lorkhan down in front of his army and reached in with more than hands to take his Heart. - Heart of the World

The long and furious battle ended with Anu the victor. He cast aside the body of his brother, who he believed was dead. - Anotated Annuad

And he took the third by vomiting his own heart into the circle like a hammerclap. - Shor Son of Shor

The outcome of the Convention was to leave the terrestrial sphere in their excess, for its own good, but that it should last after their departure as in the semblance of the Ada-mantia. Mundus was given its second Tower, the Red, whose First Stone was the Heart of the World, "as in the image." - Nu-Mantia Intercept, Letter 4

The children of Fadomai tore out the Heart of Lorkhaj and hid it deep within Nirni. And they said, "We curse you, noisy Lorkhaj, to walk Nirni for many phases." - Words of Clan Mother Ahnissi

covenant_merchant

Vorcil wrote: »

The 'godhead' is some kind of schitzophrenic being with infinite power;

Inside this dream, the universe was manifested into various components, different 'realms' different oblivions, for which each of this 'godhead's personalities exhibited and had free form to create and control their worlds at their will
...
Now the term 'dragonbreak' being some form of the universe, one of the many infinite possibilities, for each time this 'godhead' had dreamed

Once Zhuangzi dreamed he was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither. What fun he had, doing as he pleased! He did not know he was Zhuangzi. Soon, he woke up and found himself to be Zhuangzi again. And he could not tell whether it was Zhuangzi who had dreamt the butterfly or the butterfly dreaming Zhuangzi. Between Zhuangzi and the butterfly surely there must be some distinction. This is called the transformation of things.

altemriel

wow!

raviour

Beautiful thread (thought I'd resurect it while server down)

Vorcil

THE BLACK ELDER SCROLL VI by Vorcil of the Dagger;

He spoke in many tongues, and many battles were fought,
he mantled the power, that the dark ones had sought.



Disciple of Lorkhan, greatest yet he was,
the archers he brought, due to Numidium cause.



Nirn, naught left to conquer, endless the Imperial horde,
the Wolf Queen, forlost, their child did abort.



The Black Lords of Golden Isles, waiting to strike,
The White-Gold Concordat, signed with bloodiest might.



Their reign comes to all, Crusader and Mage,
never to be satisfied with death as her cage.



Mundus shakes now, with such ferocious of plots,
erasing the unworthy, for time to know not.



Perish or prosper, in a world turned gold, black,
pray that the Nine, may not turn their back.

Solus

Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

FYI ZOS, you could've done way better with the story; it was okay I guess, if unintentionally anchoring the Imperial city was a thing, you got lucky. If not, GJ.

This is the only reason I can think of for why the map of Imperial City is rotated incorrectly. Was it really a severe oversight on the part of ZOS, or are they intentionally depicting the fact that Mundus has become unmoored from the Aurbis?

The White Gold Tower is supposed to be the centre of power since the creation of Nirn; though I have severely forgotten what each part of it is supposed to represent, I know the most important tower is the White Gold Tower.




"White-Gold Tower is a harnessing the power of creatia because it’s not only a Wheel within a Wheel, it’s mantling conduit of multiple Wheels. There are Eight Divines, along with Lorkhan, which makes Nine. The Eight surround the Ninth, and thus make a Wheel. Now think about the geography of Tamriel. Nine Provinces, with the Ninth being surrounded by the Eight (Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim all surround Cyrodiil). That makes a Wheel. The Wild Elves built White-Gold in Cyrodiil on purpose. Oh, and where was it built? On an island in the middle of Cyrodiil, which is surrounded by eight more islands. There’s another Wheel. And it’s stone? Eight Jewels that surround the Ninth, the Emperor/Empress them self. Oh look, another Wheel. And aren’t the Eight usurping the Dream from Anu?"


“Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus. To dismiss this mythitecture as being a mockery of the Aurbis is to ignore an important point: this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unalike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.” – Nu Hatta, Nu-Mantia Intercept #8

But oh well...

Im assuming sithis and the void is all that unlabeled black stuff outside of aetherius?

EDIT: I see sithis now, just woke up >.>

Vorcil

Solus wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

FYI ZOS, you could've done way better with the story; it was okay I guess, if unintentionally anchoring the Imperial city was a thing, you got lucky. If not, GJ.

This is the only reason I can think of for why the map of Imperial City is rotated incorrectly. Was it really a severe oversight on the part of ZOS, or are they intentionally depicting the fact that Mundus has become unmoored from the Aurbis?

The White Gold Tower is supposed to be the centre of power since the creation of Nirn; though I have severely forgotten what each part of it is supposed to represent, I know the most important tower is the White Gold Tower.




"White-Gold Tower is a harnessing the power of creatia because it’s not only a Wheel within a Wheel, it’s mantling conduit of multiple Wheels. There are Eight Divines, along with Lorkhan, which makes Nine. The Eight surround the Ninth, and thus make a Wheel. Now think about the geography of Tamriel. Nine Provinces, with the Ninth being surrounded by the Eight (Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim all surround Cyrodiil). That makes a Wheel. The Wild Elves built White-Gold in Cyrodiil on purpose. Oh, and where was it built? On an island in the middle of Cyrodiil, which is surrounded by eight more islands. There’s another Wheel. And it’s stone? Eight Jewels that surround the Ninth, the Emperor/Empress them self. Oh look, another Wheel. And aren’t the Eight usurping the Dream from Anu?"


“Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus. To dismiss this mythitecture as being a mockery of the Aurbis is to ignore an important point: this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unalike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.” – Nu Hatta, Nu-Mantia Intercept #8

But oh well...

Im assuming sithis and the void is all that unlabeled black stuff outside of aetherius?

EDIT: I see sithis now, just woke up >.>

Solus

Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

FYI ZOS, you could've done way better with the story; it was okay I guess, if unintentionally anchoring the Imperial city was a thing, you got lucky. If not, GJ.

This is the only reason I can think of for why the map of Imperial City is rotated incorrectly. Was it really a severe oversight on the part of ZOS, or are they intentionally depicting the fact that Mundus has become unmoored from the Aurbis?

The White Gold Tower is supposed to be the centre of power since the creation of Nirn; though I have severely forgotten what each part of it is supposed to represent, I know the most important tower is the White Gold Tower.




"White-Gold Tower is a harnessing the power of creatia because it’s not only a Wheel within a Wheel, it’s mantling conduit of multiple Wheels. There are Eight Divines, along with Lorkhan, which makes Nine. The Eight surround the Ninth, and thus make a Wheel. Now think about the geography of Tamriel. Nine Provinces, with the Ninth being surrounded by the Eight (Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim all surround Cyrodiil). That makes a Wheel. The Wild Elves built White-Gold in Cyrodiil on purpose. Oh, and where was it built? On an island in the middle of Cyrodiil, which is surrounded by eight more islands. There’s another Wheel. And it’s stone? Eight Jewels that surround the Ninth, the Emperor/Empress them self. Oh look, another Wheel. And aren’t the Eight usurping the Dream from Anu?"


“Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus. To dismiss this mythitecture as being a mockery of the Aurbis is to ignore an important point: this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unalike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.” – Nu Hatta, Nu-Mantia Intercept #8

But oh well...

Im assuming sithis and the void is all that unlabeled black stuff outside of aetherius?

Vorcil wrote: »

Solus wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

FYI ZOS, you could've done way better with the story; it was okay I guess, if unintentionally anchoring the Imperial city was a thing, you got lucky. If not, GJ.

This is the only reason I can think of for why the map of Imperial City is rotated incorrectly. Was it really a severe oversight on the part of ZOS, or are they intentionally depicting the fact that Mundus has become unmoored from the Aurbis?

The White Gold Tower is supposed to be the centre of power since the creation of Nirn; though I have severely forgotten what each part of it is supposed to represent, I know the most important tower is the White Gold Tower.




"White-Gold Tower is a harnessing the power of creatia because it’s not only a Wheel within a Wheel, it’s mantling conduit of multiple Wheels. There are Eight Divines, along with Lorkhan, which makes Nine. The Eight surround the Ninth, and thus make a Wheel. Now think about the geography of Tamriel. Nine Provinces, with the Ninth being surrounded by the Eight (Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim all surround Cyrodiil). That makes a Wheel. The Wild Elves built White-Gold in Cyrodiil on purpose. Oh, and where was it built? On an island in the middle of Cyrodiil, which is surrounded by eight more islands. There’s another Wheel. And it’s stone? Eight Jewels that surround the Ninth, the Emperor/Empress them self. Oh look, another Wheel. And aren’t the Eight usurping the Dream from Anu?"


“Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus. To dismiss this mythitecture as being a mockery of the Aurbis is to ignore an important point: this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unalike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.” – Nu Hatta, Nu-Mantia Intercept #8

But oh well...

Im assuming sithis and the void is all that unlabeled black stuff outside of aetherius?

EDIT: I see sithis now, just woke up >.>

SO what is this Padomay and Anu? and Arubis and anun-el? Ive been playing since Morrowind and i cant recall any of these.

Vorcil

Solus wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

FYI ZOS, you could've done way better with the story; it was okay I guess, if unintentionally anchoring the Imperial city was a thing, you got lucky. If not, GJ.

This is the only reason I can think of for why the map of Imperial City is rotated incorrectly. Was it really a severe oversight on the part of ZOS, or are they intentionally depicting the fact that Mundus has become unmoored from the Aurbis?

The White Gold Tower is supposed to be the centre of power since the creation of Nirn; though I have severely forgotten what each part of it is supposed to represent, I know the most important tower is the White Gold Tower.




"White-Gold Tower is a harnessing the power of creatia because it’s not only a Wheel within a Wheel, it’s mantling conduit of multiple Wheels. There are Eight Divines, along with Lorkhan, which makes Nine. The Eight surround the Ninth, and thus make a Wheel. Now think about the geography of Tamriel. Nine Provinces, with the Ninth being surrounded by the Eight (Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim all surround Cyrodiil). That makes a Wheel. The Wild Elves built White-Gold in Cyrodiil on purpose. Oh, and where was it built? On an island in the middle of Cyrodiil, which is surrounded by eight more islands. There’s another Wheel. And it’s stone? Eight Jewels that surround the Ninth, the Emperor/Empress them self. Oh look, another Wheel. And aren’t the Eight usurping the Dream from Anu?"


“Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus. To dismiss this mythitecture as being a mockery of the Aurbis is to ignore an important point: this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unalike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.” – Nu Hatta, Nu-Mantia Intercept #8

But oh well...

Im assuming sithis and the void is all that unlabeled black stuff outside of aetherius?

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Vorcil wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Vorcil wrote: »

FYI ZOS, you could've done way better with the story; it was okay I guess, if unintentionally anchoring the Imperial city was a thing, you got lucky. If not, GJ.

This is the only reason I can think of for why the map of Imperial City is rotated incorrectly. Was it really a severe oversight on the part of ZOS, or are they intentionally depicting the fact that Mundus has become unmoored from the Aurbis?

The White Gold Tower is supposed to be the centre of power since the creation of Nirn; though I have severely forgotten what each part of it is supposed to represent, I know the most important tower is the White Gold Tower.




"White-Gold Tower is a harnessing the power of creatia because it’s not only a Wheel within a Wheel, it’s mantling conduit of multiple Wheels. There are Eight Divines, along with Lorkhan, which makes Nine. The Eight surround the Ninth, and thus make a Wheel. Now think about the geography of Tamriel. Nine Provinces, with the Ninth being surrounded by the Eight (Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, Hammerfell, High Rock, Black Marsh, Morrowind, and Skyrim all surround Cyrodiil). That makes a Wheel. The Wild Elves built White-Gold in Cyrodiil on purpose. Oh, and where was it built? On an island in the middle of Cyrodiil, which is surrounded by eight more islands. There’s another Wheel. And it’s stone? Eight Jewels that surround the Ninth, the Emperor/Empress them self. Oh look, another Wheel. And aren’t the Eight usurping the Dream from Anu?"


“Though the Ayleids gave theirs a central Spire as the imago of Ada-mantia, the whole of the polydox resembled the Wheel, with eight lesser towers forming a ring around their primus. To dismiss this mythitecture as being a mockery of the Aurbis is to ignore an important point: this same "jest" gave White-Gold Tower a power over creatia unalike any on this plane(t). It was a triumph of sympathetic megafetish, and the Start of the [Threat! To! Empire!] that brings me to this Council.” – Nu Hatta, Nu-Mantia Intercept #8

But oh well...

Im assuming sithis and the void is all that unlabeled black stuff outside of aetherius?

EDIT: I see sithis now, just woke up >.>

SO what is this Padomay and Anu? and Arubis and anun-el? Ive been playing since Morrowind and i cant recall any of these.

I believe the universal progenitors Padomay and Anu were revealed in Skyrim as Canon;

https://www.imperial-library.info/content/childrens-anuad

In The Elder Scrolls lore, Aurbis is the name for the universe. It includes Mundus, Oblivion, the Void, and Aetherius. It is the overlap of the two cosmic forces: Anu and Padomay.
Its extremities in all directions are believed to be Aetherius, home to the Magna Ge, and the Dreamsleeve. More to the inside of Aurbis is the Void and its planes of Oblivion. The center of Aurbis is Mundus, the mortal plane, and the center of Mundus is Nirn.

cpuScientist

Akatosh is NOT Alduin!

Vorcil

cpuScientist wrote: »

Akatosh is NOT Alduin!

No he's not; he's an aspect of the timegod.

The entire premise of TES universe is that god is this infinitely split being, with many personalities; Alduin is the physical manifestation of the nordic aspect of the timegod. Akatosh is the physical manifestation of the Cyrodilic aspect of the timegod.

In a sense they are the same, just different manifestations.

lol, so to answer your quesiton; YES Akatosh is Alduin, and at the same time NO they are not.

This is why TES lore is so screwed up...

Reference: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Gods_A

JD2013

Can I just say ...

I topics like this. Lore of Nirn is fascinating.

ChIM FOR EVERYBODY!

Enodoc

JD2013 wrote: »

ChIM FOR EVERYBODY!

Good luck! Be careful you don't zero-sum on the way