Maintenance for the week of February 18:
• [IN PROGRESS] Xbox One: EU megaserver for maintenance – February 20, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 12:00PM EST (17:00 UTC) 
The Wrathstone DLC Game Pack and Update 21 base game patch are now available to test on the PTS! Read the full patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454456/

Undocumented changes to Veteran Imperial City Prison

code65536
code65536
✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭
According to the patch notes, this is all that had changed in the ICP dungeon:
  • Imperial City Prison
    • Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor
      • Blight Bomb can now be dodged or reflected. Note that reflecting the projectile back to the boss will do reduced damage.
      • The initial damage from the impact of Blight Bomb can now be mitigated by blocking.

But there are some substantial changes that we noticed today when doing the gold key pledge.
  • Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor now goes to the center pool, gaining damage immunity, at certain health percentages instead of at fixed time intervals.
  • Ibomez's health has been decreased ever so slightly (from 2.8M to 2.7M).
  • Other changes that I can't quite put my finger on that makes the mechanics feel somewhat easier.

In short, it's now impossible to straight-burn this boss. The straight-burn method involved ignoring the atronachs (or at least killing just the first two) and killing the boss before he goes to the pool a second time.

You now have to do the mechanics (unless you want to let the atros spawn and just AoE them down, but that's rather inefficient), but we found the mechanics method of the fight to be a little easier than before. Not sure if that's because there were other, harder-to-pinpoint changes, or it just feels easier because it's been forever since we did the fight with actual mechanics.

If the mechanics are a bit easier, then these changes will make vICP a bit easier for groups that lack the DPS for a straight burn. On the other hand, for groups that are used to straight burning, this fight just became longer, more annoying, and more difficult.

Anyway, I am a bit disappointed that this alteration of the boss mechanics was not listed in the patch notes. Especially since this is a much bigger change than the minor change that was listed in the patch notes. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn could we please get some clarification/documentation on these changes? On the whole, I think that it's good you've stopped people from DPSing past mechanics (even though a part of me is annoyed that an already long and tedious dungeon just became a bit more so); I just wish that this was documented and not something that we had to discover on pledge day.
PC/NA ― Officer of Nightfighters ― Officer and former GM of The Merchant's Reserve
@code65536
DC – Breton Nightblade – DD – Snow Oryx   ☙
DC – Dunmer Dragonknight – DD/Tank – Cinder Oryx   ☙
EP – Altmer Sorcerer – DD – Elim Crake
DC – Breton Templar – Healer – Zebulon the Spirit Bear
AD – Bosmer Nightblade – DD – Higgs Bosmer
DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Erects-the-Horns-of-War
DC – Redguard Sorceress – DD – Rallina Oryx
DC – Altmer Nightblade – DD – Joyèd

@code4096
DC – Dunmer Nightblade – DD – Raven Oryx   ☙
DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Takes-All-Blame
DC – Altmer Sorceress – DD – Codegasm

The Flawless Conqueror  •  Dro-m'Athra Destroyer  •  Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor  •  Voice of Reason  •  Bringer of Light  •  Blackrose Executioner

Add-Ons: Itemization BrowserLoot LogDeconstruction Junk MarkerRaidificatorPurge TrackervHoF Status PanelAsylum Status PanelDungeon TimerCombat Alerts
  • ZOS_GinaBruno
    ZOS_GinaBruno
    Community Manager
    Apologies, there were a few additional changes to the Flesh Sculptor in patch 2.3.5. We'll add these to the original patch notes for future reference, but they are as follows:
    • Ibomez the Flesh Sculptor
      • Inmates will now only appear when The Flesh Sculptor runs to the center and channels his summoning spell.
      • The Flesh Sculptor is now completely immune to damage while channeling the summon spell.
      • Removed the 45 second cooldown on The Flesh Sculptor's summoning spell.
        • The summoning spell is now performed exactly 3 times during the encounter, and is triggered by specific health values remaining on The Flesh Sculptor.
        • The total amount of inmates eager to be used in The Flesh Sculptor's stew has not changed, so expect to see a few more inmates being summoned when the time comes.
    Gina Bruno
    Community Manager - The Elder Scrolls Online
    Dev Tracker | Service Alerts | Facebook | Twitter
    Staff Post
  • Eejit1331
    Eejit1331
    ✭✭✭
    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    That is worrisome news. The console players have a terrible synergy system (hitting X and O at the same time) and a difficult targeting system making that method extremely difficult. There is a world of difference on the ps4 vs the pc for that particular fight. Please have QA try that fight to ensure that there is not an unfair disadvantage to ps4 players.
    Edited by Eejit1331 on March 14, 2016 6:29PM
  • Bfish22090
    Bfish22090
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    THIS IS AMAZING NEWS
    best change to VICP to date.

  • Gilliamtherogue
    Gilliamtherogue
    ✭✭✭✭✭


    ZoS saw this video and thought, "How dare players who have completed this dungeon 200+ times make a joke out of our content, we must make this fight last longer than Lord Warden himself!"
    Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!

    Have questions? Send me a message on the forums or my other social media. Seeing people learn is my dream and passion.

    Guides and other fun videos at https://youtube.com/c/gilliamtherogue
  • Drazorious
    Drazorious
    ✭✭✭
    code65536 wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    PS: @ZOS_Finn have you considered adding a new achievement to vICP for preventing the spawns of any atros beyond the fist unavoidable one? With these changes to the boss mechanics, this would be a pretty fun and reasonably accessible achievement.

    I'm totally for this

    Stuff and things
  • DHale
    DHale
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Or like most ppl just won't do the dungeon. If I wanted to work for 2 hours like most pug groups to get a gold key and 20 undaunted points or fly through spindle clutch and the regular pledge in half the time for a gold and silver key and 30 undaunted I think you can just keep your sculpting to yourself.
    Sorcerna, proud beta sorc.
    RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases.
    Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Beacuse a 6 k shield is f ing useless.
    Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew.
    13 AD 2 DC. CP 1200 plus 15 level 50 toons.
    NA, PC, Vivec.
    #SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.
  • code65536
    code65536
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    DHale wrote: »
    Or like most ppl just won't do the dungeon. If I wanted to work for 2 hours like most pug groups to get a gold key and 20 undaunted points or fly through spindle clutch and the regular pledge in half the time for a gold and silver key and 30 undaunted I think you can just keep your sculpting to yourself.

    Um. Please read the thread. These changes are good for PUGs. For the average player, this fight just became a hell of a lot easier. It's only for those people with enough DPS who are used to straight-burning the boss that the fight has become a little longer/harder, but for those people, this fight was never an issue in the first place.
    PC/NA ― Officer of Nightfighters ― Officer and former GM of The Merchant's Reserve
    @code65536
    DC – Breton Nightblade – DD – Snow Oryx   ☙
    DC – Dunmer Dragonknight – DD/Tank – Cinder Oryx   ☙
    EP – Altmer Sorcerer – DD – Elim Crake
    DC – Breton Templar – Healer – Zebulon the Spirit Bear
    AD – Bosmer Nightblade – DD – Higgs Bosmer
    DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Erects-the-Horns-of-War
    DC – Redguard Sorceress – DD – Rallina Oryx
    DC – Altmer Nightblade – DD – Joyèd

    @code4096
    DC – Dunmer Nightblade – DD – Raven Oryx   ☙
    DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Takes-All-Blame
    DC – Altmer Sorceress – DD – Codegasm

    The Flawless Conqueror  •  Dro-m'Athra Destroyer  •  Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor  •  Voice of Reason  •  Bringer of Light  •  Blackrose Executioner

    Add-Ons: Itemization BrowserLoot LogDeconstruction Junk MarkerRaidificatorPurge TrackervHoF Status PanelAsylum Status PanelDungeon TimerCombat Alerts
  • Eejit1331
    Eejit1331
    ✭✭✭
    Unless you are using a ps4 remote and loadout it is hard to describe the frustration of activating and aiming the bombs. PC players haven't tried this on ps4 and ps4 players haven't tried the updated changes so only time can tell. All I can confirm at this point is that synergies and aiming is much easier on pc as I have both systems.
  • CP5
    CP5
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm glad this fight isn't just a pure dps burn. Pace yourselves, learn how the fight works, do things other than your max deeps rotations, all sounds good and makes things more interesting. I would honestly like to see more fights based around things like this and less around "ok, lets see how much damage we can regurgitate before the boss can do anything."
  • Nifty2g
    Nifty2g
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    code65536 wrote: »
    DHale wrote: »
    Or like most ppl just won't do the dungeon. If I wanted to work for 2 hours like most pug groups to get a gold key and 20 undaunted points or fly through spindle clutch and the regular pledge in half the time for a gold and silver key and 30 undaunted I think you can just keep your sculpting to yourself.

    Um. Please read the thread. These changes are good for PUGs. For the average player, this fight just became a hell of a lot easier. It's only for those people with enough DPS who are used to straight-burning the boss that the fight has become a little longer/harder, but for those people, this fight was never an issue in the first place.
    I was in the original group where we first started doing this about 3 days after the release

    which would be this



    and then it turned into this



    and now I'll upload my latest video of that fight and edit it in here, but no, it's still incredibly easy, it just summons a hell of a lot of Atronachs, how it is now though, is still faster than the first time we ever did this.

    BUT I now have videos on the Flesh Abomination and we're going to start a new trend and see if zos change that fight too :p
    North American Megaserver
    Guild - Mundus (GM)
    Tick-Tock Terrorzier | Immortal Redeemer | Gryphon Heart
    Literally Unplayable - Dragonknight Imperial Tank
    Toxic Roleplayer - Nightblade Imperial Tank/DPS
    em is lame - Warden Redguard Tank/DPS
    Picture Perfect - Altmer Sorcerer Healer/DPS
    Weary Emoji - Nightblade Dunmer DPS

    European Megaserver
    Immortal Redeemer |
    Excessive Profanity - Dragonknight Tank
    Literally Unplayable - Nightblade Dunmer DPS
  • AdamBourke
    AdamBourke
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eejit1331 wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    That is worrisome news. The console players have a terrible synergy system (hitting X and O at the same time) and a difficult targeting system making that method extremely difficult. There is a world of difference on the ps4 vs the pc for that particular fight. Please have QA try that fight to ensure that there is not an unfair disadvantage to ps4 players.

    While I agree that synergies ARE much easier on PC, it isn't exactly unfair for PS4 players, as we are not competing with PC players, we are just competing against each other. And it's going to be just as hard for you as it is for me!

    If only Zenimax would release a Dualshock Extension with a big red synergy button...
    PS4 - EU

    Please put the Eyevea/EarthForge wayshrines back on the map?
  • code65536
    code65536
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are console players able to change the bindings so that you can press a different button for synergies? The default button synergy button [X] on the PC is actually very awkward to press, and I had to remap it to something that didn't require as much finger acrobatics.
    PC/NA ― Officer of Nightfighters ― Officer and former GM of The Merchant's Reserve
    @code65536
    DC – Breton Nightblade – DD – Snow Oryx   ☙
    DC – Dunmer Dragonknight – DD/Tank – Cinder Oryx   ☙
    EP – Altmer Sorcerer – DD – Elim Crake
    DC – Breton Templar – Healer – Zebulon the Spirit Bear
    AD – Bosmer Nightblade – DD – Higgs Bosmer
    DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Erects-the-Horns-of-War
    DC – Redguard Sorceress – DD – Rallina Oryx
    DC – Altmer Nightblade – DD – Joyèd

    @code4096
    DC – Dunmer Nightblade – DD – Raven Oryx   ☙
    DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Takes-All-Blame
    DC – Altmer Sorceress – DD – Codegasm

    The Flawless Conqueror  •  Dro-m'Athra Destroyer  •  Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor  •  Voice of Reason  •  Bringer of Light  •  Blackrose Executioner

    Add-Ons: Itemization BrowserLoot LogDeconstruction Junk MarkerRaidificatorPurge TrackervHoF Status PanelAsylum Status PanelDungeon TimerCombat Alerts
  • kadar
    kadar
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eejit1331 wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    That is worrisome news. The console players have a terrible synergy system (hitting X and O at the same time) and a difficult targeting system making that method extremely difficult. There is a world of difference on the ps4 vs the pc for that particular fight. Please have QA try that fight to ensure that there is not an unfair disadvantage to ps4 players.

    The default option on PC is also awkward, and the synergy system itself is already finicky, so don't feel like you're alone there.
    PC NA
    Ka'Dar | Stamina | Nightblade
    Obi'Dar | Magicka | Nightblade

    'Charmander | Magicka | Dragonknight
    Soldier Mage | Magicka | Sorc
  • daemonios
    daemonios
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    code65536 wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Thank you very much for confirming our observations.

    @Eejit1331 I wouldn't worry about this change. On the whole, I think that this fight has just become a lot easier and a lot more accessible (even if longer and a bit more tedious for groups used to straight-burning).

    With this change, the strategy should be:
    1. DPS the boss.
    2. When the initial (unavoidable) atronach spawns, stop DPS on the boss and kill the atronach.
    3. Resume DPS on the boss and push him to his first pool phase.
    4. All four players are now on grenade duty to kill the prisoners.
    5. When the boss leaves the pool phase, tank stops grenades and taunts boss. DPS, continue to use grenades to kill off any remaining prisoners that are left over, and then kill any atronachs that have spawned.
    6. DPS the boss at your leisure. Repeat steps 3-6.

    This is now a fight where too much DPS will actually make things more hectic and difficult. The most important thing is to not push the boss too hard in the initial DPS phase. He goes to the summoning pool at around 70% health. Make sure the first atronach is killed before the boss is pushed to the first summoning pool phase.

    That way, when he's at the pool, the entire team is free to roam around doing grenades. Yes, the grenade mechanic is clunky. Yes, I hate that aiming mechanism. But with all four of you doing the grenades (made possible by making sure that no atronachs are up when the boss enters the spawning pool phase), it's actually pretty easy to get all the prisoners now.

    Once the boss leaves the pool, there will still be prisoners around (they stop spawning, but the previously-spawned prisoners are still en route to the pool), so be sure to mop those up (along with any atros that might have spawned) before resuming DPS on the boss.

    In contrast, with too much DPS, the fight was much more chaotic. On our first few runs, we pushed the boss to the 70% summoning phase before the first atronach had fully formed. This meant that during the summoning phase, we had to deal with the grenades and killing that first atronach. Since we weren't very good with the grenades and since we were trying to also kill the atronach, we missed a lot of prisoners and got even more atronach spawns. Initially, we didn't even notice that prisoners were spawning only during the summoning phase (the change that I couldn't quite put my finger on in my original post) because it was a detail that was hard to notice in the chaos of dealing with multiple atro spawns and too much DPS pushing the boss into the next pool phase before everything had been mopped up.

    So take things slow. This is not a DPS race, and too much DPS can actually make this fight messier. As long as you make sure that all atros are dead before the boss enters each summoning pool phase, it's pretty easy now with all four people on grenade duty to get all the prisoners--you can now easily do this fight with that first unavoidable atro being the only one to spawn.

    PS: @ZOS_Finn have you considered adding a new achievement to vICP for preventing the spawns of any atros beyond the first unavoidable one? With these changes to the boss mechanics, this would be a pretty fun and reasonably accessible achievement.

    Or, you know, ignore the zombies and proxy-det the living daylight out of all the atros while the boss is channelling :D
  • code65536
    code65536
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    daemonios wrote: »
    Or, you know, ignore the zombies and proxy-det the living daylight out of all the atros while the boss is channelling :D

    You can do that, and that's what we did on one of our runs. But it's so chaotic. And very magicka-intensive. It's viable, but highly inefficient.
    PC/NA ― Officer of Nightfighters ― Officer and former GM of The Merchant's Reserve
    @code65536
    DC – Breton Nightblade – DD – Snow Oryx   ☙
    DC – Dunmer Dragonknight – DD/Tank – Cinder Oryx   ☙
    EP – Altmer Sorcerer – DD – Elim Crake
    DC – Breton Templar – Healer – Zebulon the Spirit Bear
    AD – Bosmer Nightblade – DD – Higgs Bosmer
    DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Erects-the-Horns-of-War
    DC – Redguard Sorceress – DD – Rallina Oryx
    DC – Altmer Nightblade – DD – Joyèd

    @code4096
    DC – Dunmer Nightblade – DD – Raven Oryx   ☙
    DC – Argonian Dragonknight – Tank – Takes-All-Blame
    DC – Altmer Sorceress – DD – Codegasm

    The Flawless Conqueror  •  Dro-m'Athra Destroyer  •  Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor  •  Voice of Reason  •  Bringer of Light  •  Blackrose Executioner

    Add-Ons: Itemization BrowserLoot LogDeconstruction Junk MarkerRaidificatorPurge TrackervHoF Status PanelAsylum Status PanelDungeon TimerCombat Alerts
  • daemonios
    daemonios
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    code65536 wrote: »
    daemonios wrote: »
    Or, you know, ignore the zombies and proxy-det the living daylight out of all the atros while the boss is channelling :D

    You can do that, and that's what we did on one of our runs. But it's so chaotic. And very magicka-intensive. It's viable, but highly inefficient.

    I was only half joking. This is actually how I've done it since the change. With everyone contributing some AoE, the atros die quite quickly so that when the boss returns there aren't any or just a couple left which we deal with during the next boss shield phase.
  • M_TeK_9
    M_TeK_9
    ✭✭✭
    Eejit1331 wrote: »
    Unless you are using a ps4 remote and loadout it is hard to describe the frustration of activating and aiming the bombs. PC players haven't tried this on ps4 and ps4 players haven't tried the updated changes so only time can tell. All I can confirm at this point is that synergies and aiming is much easier on pc as I have both systems.

    Yea I've never played PC and I can tell you first hand that synergies are brutally unresponsive. Sometimes you have to smash both buttons up to 6 times it feels like. And at first the AOE cursor for the bombs has sketchy movement speeds and is a pain in the ass, but you quickly learn to take your time with them and it;s easy. I'm kind of excited to play it this way actually.
  • M_TeK_9
    M_TeK_9
    ✭✭✭
    AdamBourke wrote: »
    Eejit1331 wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    That is worrisome news. The console players have a terrible synergy system (hitting X and O at the same time) and a difficult targeting system making that method extremely difficult. There is a world of difference on the ps4 vs the pc for that particular fight. Please have QA try that fight to ensure that there is not an unfair disadvantage to ps4 players.

    While I agree that synergies ARE much easier on PC, it isn't exactly unfair for PS4 players, as we are not competing with PC players, we are just competing against each other. And it's going to be just as hard for you as it is for me!

    If only Zenimax would release a Dualshock Extension with a big red synergy button...

    We're not competing at all to be honest. I wish every dungeon had its own leaderboard
Sign In or Register to comment.