Rapid Maneuver Change - Good or Bad?

Sanct16

With the TG update, Rapid Maneuver has been changed so that it breaks if you cast any skill, that affects any player except yourself. Its quite a big change when it comes to group PvP so I would like to hear about peoples first impressions.

Ghost-Shot

Bad Change

I want to say dumbest change they ever made, but then i remember I still can't regen stam while blocking and we still have 50% battle spirit

Master_Kas

Bad Change

It's horrible. They thought it would slow down zergs (and it did) but didn't realize what it will do to smaller groups trying to kite and heal said zergs. Aswell when going into chokepoints etc.

Really bad change imo.

heystreethawk

Can't tell yet

Yet again, ZoS instantly caters to the whim of the PvPers and introduces a staggering nerf that RUINS PvE. Does Eric Wrobel have any idea how long it takes me to do my writs now?

Sypher

heystreethawk wrote: »

Yet again, ZoS instantly caters to the whim of the PvPers and introduces a staggering nerf that RUINS PvE. Does Eric Wrobel have any idea how long it takes me to do my writs now?

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bikerangelo

Bad Change

It really screwed over magicka classes, especially support classes, especially magicka classes with group healing. See a pattern?
It's odd they messed with mobility in the first place. Sprinting speed was buffed, but normal movement speed seems sluggish.

heystreethawk wrote: »

Yet again, ZoS instantly caters to the whim of the PvPers and introduces a staggering nerf that RUINS PvE. Does Eric Wrobel have any idea how long it takes me to do my writs now?

Literally nobody asked for this. You got some evidence?

chaserstorm16909

Question. You said the effect breaks if you cast in ability that affects another player other than yourself. Does that mean if you cast an ability like cloak on yourself, rapid maneuvers does not break? I am on PS4 and have not been able to test this yet. Thank you.

Karamis_Vimardon

Bad Change

bikerangelo wrote: »

*snip*

heystreethawk wrote: »

Yet again, ZoS instantly caters to the whim of the PvPers and introduces a staggering nerf that RUINS PvE. Does Eric Wrobel have any idea how long it takes me to do my writs now?

Literally nobody asked for this. You got some evidence?

Sarcasm, doth it escape thee?

bikerangelo

Bad Change

Karamis_Vimardon wrote: »

bikerangelo wrote: »

*snip*

heystreethawk wrote: »

Yet again, ZoS instantly caters to the whim of the PvPers and introduces a staggering nerf that RUINS PvE. Does Eric Wrobel have any idea how long it takes me to do my writs now?

Literally nobody asked for this. You got some evidence?

Sarcasm, doth it escape thee?

Would you believe me if I said I just found that gif and really wanted to post it?

Zheg

Bad Change

The rapids nerf needs to go. Wrobel implemented it because this is supposed to be the anti-group patch and he's trying to kill ball groups, but guess what, even with perma roots and no barriers we're still winning. I give him a one finger salute for his efforts, and request that he undo the damage this change has done for all styles of pvp.

You don't even have to pvp to realize what the meta has become. You can literally stand on top of a wall and watch people fighting and realize how slow everyone is moving.

oibam

Good Change

It's a good change. I like the idea of not having all advantages with no sacrifice.

DisgracefulMind

Bad Change

Completely unnecessary change.

Sharee

Good Change

If dealing damage breaks speed, i don't see why repairing damage shouldn't. They are two sides of the same coin. The change addresses an inconsistency that has been there since release.

Derra

Good Change

It´s awesome.

Ofc it´s affecting DK and Templar the most as they have no access to a magica based runspeed morph (that should be subject to change). Rapid with speed + soft cc immunity while healing was too powerful. This should under no circumstance be subject to change again.

If people in bigger grps don´t like it - it´s a good change. You´re not supposed to like it. It was meant to hurt.

It has absolutely no effect on our 3 to 6 person grps (apart from enemies not being able to chase as good because their bol spamming healers can´t keep up with DDs - which is good).

Cinbri

Good Change

Nice change.

ToRelax

Good Change

It's bugged, but the intended change is good. ^^

JDar

Bad Change

It's stupid to slow the game down. People want fast-paced action. There is a reason why having a fast 40 time is so important in the NFL. The game is better when its faster. It's the same here. Why slow the game down?

Master_Kas

Bad Change

Derra wrote: »

It´s awesome.

Ofc it´s affecting DK and Templar the most as they have no access to a magica based runspeed morph (that should be subject to change). Rapid with speed + soft cc immunity while healing was too powerful. This should under no circumstance be subject to change again.

If people in bigger grps don´t like it - it´s a good change. You´re not supposed to like it. It was meant to hurt.

It has absolutely no effect on our 3 to 6 person grps (apart from enemies not being able to chase as good because their bol spamming healers can´t keep up with DDs - which is good).

Is that a joke? Try playing a small group trying to kite bombard and snare spammers while trying to heal/purge of the debuffs of the enemy zerg chasing you xD

Big groups still have the numbers on their side, small group doesnt.

Edit: wops didn't see who posted it. This affects smaller groups harder than big ones imo. In big groups I got the protection of aoe caps, more heals, more damage dealers. When I play small groups, you need to be able to kite and rebuff/heal up. With this change that's not possible unless you want to be permarooted and snared to death while all their friends come running after you.This change pushes ppl into bigger groups I think.

Iyas

Good Change

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I like it because it was stupid that CC was worth nothing especially if you only heal = perma root immune

For our small scale style it's def. a good change. And of course it should hurt the larger grps.

JDar

Bad Change

If 2.0 was nerf-ageddon, then there needs to be a 3.0. Just blow everything up. I feel like chances are it will improve.

Farorin

Both!

Good because people stop stealing my speed when i don't want them to, bad because I no longer get theirs.

*Is a little selfish*

Etaniel

Good Change

I think i'd be perfect if the speed buff from rapid was a bit higher. If you're not able to cast anything, you should be able to run faster than those who got the buff from somewhere else and who can still dps/heal, just my opinion. Other than that, it's better in this state than it was before

Turelus

Good Change

For retreating manvours I think this is good, the skill is meant to be a GTFO/RUN AWAY!!! skill.

Maybe something to make the other morph more appealing would be to allow the use of healing etc. with it.

So you have the choice of a snare removal run away morph or a no snare removal but can use skills morph.

JDar

Bad Change

Farorin wrote: »

Both!

Good because people stop stealing my speed when i don't want them to, bad because I no longer get theirs.

*Is a little selfish*

Why would you not want your allies to be faster. It is not a PvE skill, it is an Alliance War skill, designed to help your team.

JDar

Bad Change

The change to Rapids is also a crypto-nerf to magicka nightblades who used Major Expedition to stack with Concealed Weapon for extra speed. Not only has Cloak been nerfed but so has our movement. And we still can't stack as much damage as stamina players. Thanks Eric.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Good Change

Excellent change. Less zergs, less moving around for nothing, and most of all, not having to suffer all those unwanted speed buffs any more.

JDar

Bad Change

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Excellent change. Less zergs, less moving around for nothing, and most of all, not having to suffer all those unwanted speed buffs any more.

Why would you not want a speed buff.

Yuke

Good Change

The first good change Zenimax ever did.

ToRelax

Good Change

JDar wrote: »

The change to Rapids is also a crypto-nerf to magicka nightblades who used Major Expedition to stack with Concealed Weapon for extra speed. Not only has Cloak been nerfed but so has our movement. And we still can't stack as much damage as stamina players. Thanks Eric.

There's Double Take. It's a mobility nerf to stam NB maybe, although I'd use Double Take on those as well personally.

Satiar

Bad Change

Moving in Molasses is fun

Kas

Can't tell yet

i can't tell yet. at first glance, it seems to make the game slower and punish what used to be "good play" (imo).

however, it significantly seems to remove the "choo choo" feeling (even in very small groups moving through whatever you wanted was fairly valid, only stopping would get you killed).

I can't really tell yet, if this will lead to awesome new positional play or to static zergs.
I haven't palyed too much but it's great I saw less 1-button blob players and somewhat scary how valid a streak+siege playstyle seems to be.