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magicka nb dps drop

kungmoo
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any other magicka nbs suffering a HUGE dps drop since the TG patch? Cannot figure out what has happened, using same gear/rotation etc... but lost about 6k dps since the update. only thing that has changed is I moved my cp from thaumaturge to elemental expert since magicka damage moved..... and yes I tried speccing back to thaumaturge to make sure it was working.... 200k in cp respecs and I cannot for the life of me figure out what happened......
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  • hamgatan
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    My AOE has gone up but my single target has dropped badly.

    I was running through vSC last night pulling 50k on the trash, but single target against Blood Spawn was sub 10k where I could punch 15 before the patch.

    P.S I also moved CP back to elemex.
    Edited by hamgatan on March 10, 2016 12:04AM
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  • code65536
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    Things seem fine on my end...
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  • Troneon
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    CP Spell penetration/Spell Erosion got nerfed no longer a %, it's a base stat number now.

    Also spell shield as well.

    Edited by Troneon on March 10, 2016 12:57AM
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  • milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
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    Troneon wrote: »
    CP Spell penetration/Spell Erosion got nerfed no longer a %, it's a base stat number now.

    Also spell shield as well.
    Wow. Does the same thing go for Armor Penetration?

    And I'm assuming that flat damage is going to be better than a Spell Pen build now?
  • silky_soft
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    How do you have 200k to spend on respec? Take me a year to earn that much in pvp.

    Armor pen I has been broke since first pts patch.
    They nerfed spell because they will be updating heavy armor next patch. Stealth nerfing now to look like they have actually done something next update.
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  • Troneon
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    Troneon wrote: »
    CP Spell penetration/Spell Erosion got nerfed no longer a %, it's a base stat number now.

    Also spell shield as well.
    Wow. Does the same thing go for Armor Penetration?

    And I'm assuming that flat damage is going to be better than a Spell Pen build now?

    It's pretty much pointless to put CP into spell erosion or spell shield now making those CP pretty useless....unless you have loads of left over CP to waste.
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  • IamNoobee
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    my nb got a huge dps gain since the tg patch. i really hope you can figure out what you're doing wrong!! :(
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  • kungmoo
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    update: apparently some of my passives were not actually working or something... did a full skill respec and replaced my points and everything is golden again

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  • Wreuntzylla
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    I'm throwing people around like ragdolls. Might be because the well geared people are all PvEing, but <shrug>.

    Would check the normal things. Gear, passives, buffs, stat allocation, food, potions, enchants, etc. In addition to your CP checks.
    Edited by Wreuntzylla on March 10, 2016 4:45AM
  • hamgatan
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    kungmoo wrote: »
    update: apparently some of my passives were not actually working or something... did a full skill respec and replaced my points and everything is golden again

    its funny you mention this because my biggest issue isn't so much the deeps but my actual resource regen has been shithouse since 2.3 dropped. even with drinks i seem to run out of magicka waaaaay too quickly compared to before. might try as i only reset the morphs
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  • coolmodi
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    Troneon wrote: »
    CP Spell penetration/Spell Erosion got nerfed no longer a %, it's a base stat number now.

    No, it was buffed, it never gave % penetration, the tooltip was just wrong. Before the patch it gave 120*level*tooltip%*100 penetration, now it gives more.

    With 100points in on VR16 it gave 1980 penetration, it should give more now.

    Edited by coolmodi on March 10, 2016 5:19AM
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    coolmodi wrote: »
    Troneon wrote: »
    CP Spell penetration/Spell Erosion got nerfed no longer a %, it's a base stat number now.

    No, it was buffed, it never gave % penetration, the tooltip was just wrong. Before the patch it gave 120*level*tooltip%*100 penetration, now it gives more.

    With 100points in on VR16 it gave 1980 penetration, it should give more now.

    Yep, Erosion and Piercing both got a 167% buff, making them slightly more useful. There was no nerfs to caster NB DPS in terms of damage, only buffs indirectly via the CP changes. However, now that things like Twisting Path and Blockade of Elements cannot proc Siphoning Attacks, they noticed a slight nerf to resource management. However, casters never really needed those abilities to proc SA, as light weaving funnel already proced it at 180% of the cost of 1 funnel, meaning you have infinite resources as long as you maintain offensive.
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  • gamerguy757
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    I'm a magblade. I'm only lvl30 on BB with spell power at 1600 and regen at 2100. I'm slaying everything. Somuchfun
  • Samphaa
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    hamgatan wrote: »
    kungmoo wrote: »
    update: apparently some of my passives were not actually working or something... did a full skill respec and replaced my points and everything is golden again

    its funny you mention this because my biggest issue isn't so much the deeps but my actual resource regen has been shithouse since 2.3 dropped. even with drinks i seem to run out of magicka waaaaay too quickly compared to before. might try as i only reset the morphs

    Probably because of the siphoning attacks change
  • Schemering
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    my damage has gone up and its a big up doing +5k sometimes When i dont use my new prox detonation its more or less the same or bit higher with elemental wall slotted
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  • code65536
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    Troneon wrote: »
    CP Spell penetration/Spell Erosion got nerfed no longer a %, it's a base stat number now.

    Also spell shield as well.

    You really should read up on the new CP distribution:

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245719

    Specifically, the second half of post #37 addresses the changes in Spell Erosion.
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  • Khaos_Bane
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    I really haven't noticed much of a difference at all. My elemental attacks obviously do more now but I don't have many of them. It's kind of a wash. Not sure how anyone would see HUGE DPS gains unless they had their CP allocated wrong before the patch.
  • Durham
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    MAGICKA damage remains very strong ... stamina damage is really hurting
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  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    Durham wrote: »
    MAGICKA damage remains very strong ... stamina damage is really hurting

    Lol, more of the end of the world for stamina builds BS
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  • Khaos_Bane
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    Durham wrote: »
    MAGICKA damage remains very strong ... stamina damage is really hurting

    Lol, more of the end of the world for stamina builds BS

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