Health regen tank builds OP?

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raasdal wrote: »

Well, since this thread is being revived, i might as well give my input.

I tried this on my Stam DK Imperial, after reading this thread and tangling with Not-Enough-Holes too many times on PC EU BwB.

Being unkillable 1v3-5 is perfectly doable for anyone, as explained. I ran a setup with Willows and Orgnum to get a good healthpool as well. 7 Heavy and all Impen.

I could stand there and take heat from 3-5 players (10 players if i went turtle, blocking, rolling etc.), and i would try to focus down one of them. I did not even have Vigor or Rally unlocked. With those it would be crazy.

The "problem" for me was that i was not able to 1vX. With that, i mean that i was not ever able to win a 1v3. Even against incredibly bad people. They could not kill me, but i could not kill them either. Which means that the fight would end, based on if someone from my team came to help, or more people from the opponents kept coming in. The latter would be the case most of the times. So my exciting 1vX would end 90% times in me doing a 1vZerg till i died.

In the end, i did not find this to be that fun, as i mostly like to run solo, and look for 1vX.

I tried messing around with it, and still am, to find some middle ground, but so far unsuccesfully. It seems that this is "all or nothing". Either you go full regen tank with 7 heavy, all impen etc., or you dont. If you for example go away from the 7 heavy to get sustain and damage, you will loose that tankiness which makes you unkillable 1v3. 2k regen is just not enough. It HAS to be at least 3k unbuffed. Which means you need all that heavy armor for the increase in regen.

In the end, i might just be playing it wrong. Resource management has never been my strong side. And that is definetely one of the crucial parts here.

hmm, i should modify the build for more damage, but the goal was outplaying people, but what are your damage numbers? My wreckingblow is on average 4000, unstable flame 500-1000 DoT's for example i manage to kill average players without much efford tbh, look, i run into a sorc k? sorc hits me 2,5k CRIT cfrags as highest, everything hits u so low, and i deal almost twice the damage they do, it might be low but it even fkin more then a full hunding rage gank build dous vs me, so at the end, this tank will win.
i wish ihad the performance to record video's for everyone on this thread, but sadly my hitty pc cant handle it.

And what i your weapon damage? my sits between 2-2,5K most times with atleast 20K stamina.

Jade1986

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

Astrotaz wrote: »

I'm trying this at vet 1 right now, it is indeed very hard to be killed. However you have to time WB and Take Flight / Execute to get a kill. Damage is low

ps: Have you considered Blood Altar

Yes, you have to know how to proper animation cancel your wreckingblows and unstable flame combo as burst, thats what i do, its not the easy-est build for killing people but it works.

Blood Altar would work on a nightblade health regen tank, could figure some build out called "Dark Templar" or something, ill see, but on DK? NO, big NO, Dragonblood is way more powerfull, since you dont have to stand in a circle, and u morph for green dragon blood for even more stam sustain, and u can use it as a O-shet heal while below "X" health.

leem1988 wrote: »

I love it when someone tries to gank me with this build. I just stand there and let them hit me for a few minutes. They eventually get frustrated and walk away. I still have trouble with major defile, and/or a group 3+. But I don't have vigor yet, and I'm using blue 5x orgnum scales, 3x ashen grip, 2x vampire kiss.

I want to unlock vigor first, before I make the right gear for this build, but its taking a long time. I'm currently half way through assault rank 4.

I played my stamplar re-roll, started level 10, vigor at level 12 x) its very fast AP gains now u shouldnt be in much trouble at all!!
Very nice to see people like you actually putting effort in the build, im glad some people believe in health regen tanks x)
Chek out "Patrick Scott" on youtube btw, he is the main designer of this build, and he is now using some vampire stuff, while using feed so he dousnt reduce his health regen, might wanna try that out later.

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

*gear update*

for veterans who wanna try this in CP vet campaign, this is the gear u want to get:

5x orgnums and 5x permafrost (permafrost yewelry inc)

thats it.

u can go between 7-9K health regen with this setup, while below 60% health, if u cast ur ignious + dragonblood below 60%!!

u can craft 5x orgnums scales, permafrost needs to be farmed from Maelstrom arena! its obtainable in normal mode, i dont know about vet mode, but it hard to get!

I'm glad somebody actually tried running a Orgnum's/Permafrost build. As soon as I saw Permafrost, I wanted to try making a Magicka DK tank with both 5 piece bonuses, but after realizing how rare jewelry drops are in MSA, I quickly lost my patience and gave up on that dream. I played around with it some on the Orsinium PTS and the health regen was certainly insane.

Very nice that u tested it!!! yes its so damn hard to obtain in MSA, a buddy tried to get it for non vet, he told me, it will take 5x level 1-50 on normal mode x) so yeah, might hire someone for farming xDD but stil, ill give it a try myself, i have to get that stuff on the live server!

leem1988 wrote: »

If I use purple gear at level 36, how long would it last me? 10 levels? Or should I wait until I'm level 40?

Not really, i have new Full armor every 10 levels (level10-20-30 and so on) and weapons with this tank setup, you only lose on a scale to 10levels maybe 4K resistances and maybe arround 300 total health regen, so at level 20 i have 4460 health regen, and at level 29 i have 4230 for example, that is not a very big issue, u only lose alot weapon damage, but u can craft maybe every 4 levels a new weapon if u still wanna keep your damage on top.

laced wrote: »

The amount of health regen build players running around in BwB EU on EP right now is just ridiculous. I think there were groups of 20 running around last night, and it is just annoying, they cant kill anything with a brain stem and are simply the finest trolls around. I hope this fad fades out quick.

i dont believe there are groups of "20" health regen tanks, i never run into them, i bet u got trouble with Wrobel's "AOE Caps" if you run into a health regen tank, simply ignore it, unless it attacks you, if u would try to gank me on ur own, it will be a f*cking insult, bring atleast 5 ppl for proper Xv1
This build is ment to *** off gankers, trihards, salt producers and anything that is a ***.

You dont have to believe me, doesn't really bother me, the great thing about it though is, believe me or not, its true. If your whole objective is to make other people angry, I suggest getting a hobby. Yoga is good for that kinda thing.

Horker

laced wrote: »

You dont have to believe me, doesn't really bother me, the great thing about it though is, believe me or not, its true. If your whole objective is to make other people angry, I suggest getting a hobby. Yoga is good for that kinda thing.

For what else we play pvp then? some like to Roleplay, others like to gank, others like producing salt, i like for example to show people that they cant f##k with anything they want.
I've been playing this since beta, my forum account is created a little bit later, but anyway, i sticked to Cyrodill all time, i wanted to try something else, after 2 years of ganking, typical "Core problems of Cyrodill" u want to have something when u having a bad day, or run into the same 50+ AD "Smallscale" group everytime, simply i relog to my hate regentank.

If u dont agree with this thread, or build or this whole idea, i would reccomend to play a nightblade, its a very fair and balanced class.

Baconlad

Try 7.2 k health regen fully buffed XD. It can be higher...but I'm still having a hard time fully upgrading everything. Another issue is vampire, so I'm juggling having bats up more often for great heals, or going vampire 1-2 for more health regen

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Baconlad wrote: »

Try 7.2 k health regen fully buffed XD. It can be higher...but I'm still having a hard time fully upgrading everything. Another issue is vampire, so I'm juggling having bats up more often for great heals, or going vampire 1-2 for more health regen

yes vampire is very powerfull on health regen, 2 friends of me also play nightblade vampire health regen tank, they dont have 5+k regen, they sit arround 2-3K, but they have alot damage also.

and yes, feed to stay stage 1-2 otherwise ur f#cking ur health regen over

Horker

Short update on skillbars:

2Handed:

1. Wreckingblow
3. Stampede, SNARE + gap closer, very important!
4. Executioner, more dmg.
5. Unstable flame, keep pounding that pressure!!!
6. Ignious shield, using this instead of rally, because the damage shield is more usefull, every shield thats up, will regenerate your health withouth getting interupted, i spam this when im getting smallscaled by 50+ AD zergs.

Ultimate: Fiery-Leap, 15+K free 6 seconds Barrier+ free hard CC+ fly in keeps with a morphed siege shield provided by allies.

Sword/Board:

1. Heroic slash, free ult + snare/Choking talons, Both give 15% minor miam debuff, so u get reduced damage, YAY. If u use tripple drinks, try talons its easyer to hold smallscale zergs with talons than spamming heroic slash.
2. Volatile armor/immovable, both work, i prefer Volatile because it lasts longer and dounsnt drain stamina, and it helps against nightblades.
3. Dragon fire scales, flap flap flap, my buddy "Not-Enough-Holes-For-Zerg" tried to jump off a keep and spam scales, but sadly it didnt fly.
4. Green dragonblood, pls more stam regen, keep this sh#t up all the time or die x)
5. Resolving Vigor, spam this with dodgeroll to generate more salt and hate whispers.

Ultimate: Again Fiery-Leap, to keep the elder dragon passive for extra 5% regen, or corrosive armor, or dragonknight standard(the one with damage reduction morph).


I run arround with this setup atm, have fun and produce salt out there!

zuto40

I run an orc regen dk, 3k unbuffed regen, i can 1v3 only problem is when i find 2 glass cannons with a healer, agility jewelry would fix my dmg problem. I use 2h and bow

2H bar
Wb
Crit rush
Resolving vigor
Forward momemtum
Executioner
Take flight

Bow
Green dragon's blood
Dragon fire scales
Rapid maneuver (gonna replace this with snipe)
Igneous shield
Immovable brute
Corrosive armor

With purple enchants im at around 29k health and 32k stam, with agility jewlery id be around 35k stam and 2.4k wpn dmg

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@Patri

zuto40 wrote: »

I run an orc regen dk, 3k unbuffed regen, i can 1v3 only problem is when i find 2 glass cannons with a healer, agility jewelry would fix my dmg problem. I use 2h and bow

2H bar
Wb
Crit rush
Resolving vigor
Forward momemtum
Executioner
Take flight

Bow
Green dragon's blood
Dragon fire scales
Rapid maneuver (gonna replace this with snipe)
Igneous shield
Immovable brute
Corrosive armor

With purple enchants im at around 29k health and 32k stam, with agility jewlery id be around 35k stam and 2.4k wpn dmg

Nice man!! Be sure to check out Patrick scotts version, he has high damage, https://youtu.be/Q6kIJDKLq2M

DaveMoeDee

Do you kill anyone? Being unkillable is not OP if you aren't killing anyone. I suppose it is good in a group if you are drawing fire away from others, but no one is unkillable against groups.

zuto40

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

@Patri

zuto40 wrote: »

I run an orc regen dk, 3k unbuffed regen, i can 1v3 only problem is when i find 2 glass cannons with a healer, agility jewelry would fix my dmg problem. I use 2h and bow

2H bar
Wb
Crit rush
Resolving vigor
Forward momemtum
Executioner
Take flight

Bow
Green dragon's blood
Dragon fire scales
Rapid maneuver (gonna replace this with snipe)
Igneous shield
Immovable brute
Corrosive armor

With purple enchants im at around 29k health and 32k stam, with agility jewlery id be around 35k stam and 2.4k wpn dmg

Nice man!! Be sure to check out Patrick scotts version, he has high damage, https://youtu.be/Q6kIJDKLq2M

thats where i got the inspiration to make a regen dk

zuto40

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Do you kill anyone? Being unkillable is not OP if you aren't killing anyone. I suppose it is good in a group if you are drawing fire away from others, but no one is unkillable against groups.

i kill people just not super fast unless theyre super squishy

Horker

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Do you kill anyone? Being unkillable is not OP if you aren't killing anyone. I suppose it is good in a group if you are drawing fire away from others, but no one is unkillable against groups.

Look, u are one of the haters that didn't even tested , or watched Patrick scot, he hits 9K wreckingblow s, health Regen tank, check stuff out first please, alot ppl complain about "no damage". Lies, change abit with yewelry or food, and u have enough DMG to kill anything

Xarc

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Do you kill anyone? Being unkillable is not OP if you aren't killing anyone. I suppose it is good in a group if you are drawing fire away from others, but no one is unkillable against groups.

Look, u are one of the haters that didn't even tested , or watched Patrick scot, he hits 9K wreckingblow s, health Regen tank, check stuff out first please, alot ppl complain about "no damage". Lies, change abit with yewelry or food, and u have enough DMG to kill anything

I didnt tested your build but i tested to fight you, and i can say here you're maybe unkillable but not able to kill anyone when fighting more than 1 ppl.

Horker

Xarcus wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Do you kill anyone? Being unkillable is not OP if you aren't killing anyone. I suppose it is good in a group if you are drawing fire away from others, but no one is unkillable against groups.

Look, u are one of the haters that didn't even tested , or watched Patrick scot, he hits 9K wreckingblow s, health Regen tank, check stuff out first please, alot ppl complain about "no damage". Lies, change abit with yewelry or food, and u have enough DMG to kill anything

I didnt tested your build but i tested to fight you, and i can say here you're maybe unkillable but not able to kill anyone when fighting more than 1 ppl.

Hey, okay sorry for insulting you, u tried it, good job TBH, I manage to kill ppl in 1vX quite easy, it all matters when it comes down to animation cancelling ur WB with unstable flame and wep swap into low slash weaving, all within 2secs, that combo hits over 7K most times

artal

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

yes vampire is very powerfull on health regen, 2 friends of me also play nightblade vampire health regen tank, they dont have 5+k regen, they sit arround 2-3K, but they have alot damage also.

and yes, feed to stay stage 1-2 otherwise ur f#cking ur health regen over

I am one of those nightblades. I wouldnt really say that i have a lot of dmg but i dont have much issues killing people unless really tanky ones. Good animation canceling is extremely needed to play this decently.
I tried many different build styles, I really enjoy glass cannons but recently being tanky is my way of fun.
People saying this don't work fall in two categories. First are those that havent tried it and second those that did but are bad. You have to remember its not build that is playing but you.

Is this best build? No. But i dont think there is such thing as best build, there are only builds that suit your play style. So if you feel that this might be your thing give it a try.

Horker

artal wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

yes vampire is very powerfull on health regen, 2 friends of me also play nightblade vampire health regen tank, they dont have 5+k regen, they sit arround 2-3K, but they have alot damage also.

and yes, feed to stay stage 1-2 otherwise ur f#cking ur health regen over

I am one of those nightblades.

People saying this don't work fall in two categories. First are those that havent tried it and second those that did but are bad. You have to remember its not build that is playing but you.

L2P issues XD,
I'll see u soon m8, PC broken, getting next Tuesday a new Brutal gaming pc, so I'll see u arround next week

TheDarkShadow

I thought of trying this build too, but then I remember my ping is always, ALWAYS, 300+ at BEST in Cyrodiil. Animation cancel become very, very clunky with that latency, and most of the time I can't even hit the target in melee. Apparently to actually kill people with this build you not only need to be good but also have good connection.

Horker

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

I thought of trying this build too, but then I remember my ping is always, ALWAYS, 300+ at BEST in Cyrodiil. Animation cancel become very, very clunky with that latency, and most of the time I can't even hit the target in melee. Apparently to actually kill people with this build you not only need to be good but also have good connection.

Yes, all true, it depresses me to hear it also, I feel sorry for people without proper ping etc, but I guess almost everyone has it, try to find smallscale fights, that helps me alot

FlounderOG

I was considering switching my stam DK to a health tank, but this week i have been enjoying jumping into the middle of a zerg and crit rushing people down. I try to use as many shields and dragons blood as i can to maximize survivability.

Sometimes I can hold out for a while in the middle of like 5-8 people at a time, other times I just get wrecked.

All I know is that people always run away in fear when somebody dragon leaps into the middle of their zerg and starts tanking. My only real goal is to break up the enemy zerg balls to allow my team to smack them down first. I enjoy being the distraction.

Llilium

I am a nord and had 4500ish health regen with buffs, but i could never ever acheive a decent stam regen of 2k. right now i'm having a good amount of success with my reactive armor build, however, with about 2500 weapon damage and 2k stam regen but threw away the health regen portion of my build.

Horker

FlounderOG wrote: »

I was considering switching my stam DK to a health tank, but this week i have been enjoying jumping into the middle of a zerg and crit rushing people down. I try to use as many shields and dragons blood as i can to maximize survivability.

Sometimes I can hold out for a while in the middle of like 5-8 people at a time, other times I just get wrecked.

All I know is that people always run away in fear when somebody dragon leaps into the middle of their zerg and starts tanking. My only real goal is to break up the enemy zerg balls to allow my team to smack them down first. I enjoy being the distraction.

W

Llilium wrote: »

I am a nord and had 4500ish health regen with buffs, but i could never ever acheive a decent stam regen of 2k. right now i'm having a good amount of success with my reactive armor build, however, with about 2500 weapon damage and 2k stam regen but threw away the health regen portion of my build.

Nice to hear guys, yeah leaping into zerg is funny as, specially on tower farms!

I received 4.5k health and 2,2K Stam Regen with 5X willows path and 3x oblivions foe, 1x lord warden shield, 3x endurance yewelry.
All yewelry gold enchanted for health regen.

The_Legendary_Arya

Wait, just a question: I thought permafrost works only while u have a shield active, and not slottet. Shields just go down quickly, so i didnt think the set as good as u post it. How is it now?

Horker

philip-sanderneb18_ESO wrote: »

Wait, just a question: I thought permafrost works only while u have a shield active, and not slottet. Shields just go down quickly, so i didnt think the set as good as u post it. How is it now?

I'm sorry, i havent tested since pts, but that moment u hit ignious shield, ur Regen hits 8K, even if shield drops, u WILL get the Regen on ur next regen tick

Also try light armor shield skill

The_Legendary_Arya

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

philip-sanderneb18_ESO wrote: »

Wait, just a question: I thought permafrost works only while u have a shield active, and not slottet. Shields just go down quickly, so i didnt think the set as good as u post it. How is it now?

I'm sorry, i havent tested since pts, but that moment u hit ignious shield, ur Regen hits 8K, even if shield drops, u WILL get the Regen on ur next regen tick

Also try light armor shield skill

Ah interesting, so u need the shield active, but even if its busted the next tikk gives u the bonus-and then u can apply a new shield. Should think about it.

Horker

philip-sanderneb18_ESO wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

philip-sanderneb18_ESO wrote: »

Wait, just a question: I thought permafrost works only while u have a shield active, and not slottet. Shields just go down quickly, so i didnt think the set as good as u post it. How is it now?

I'm sorry, i havent tested since pts, but that moment u hit ignious shield, ur Regen hits 8K, even if shield drops, u WILL get the Regen on ur next regen tick

Also try light armor shield skill

Ah interesting, so u need the shield active, but even if its busted the next tikk gives u the bonus-and then u can apply a new shield. Should think about it.

Exactly, but ignious gives me 4.5K shield, with 28K health, stil fair decent amount.

zuto40

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

FlounderOG wrote: »

I was considering switching my stam DK to a health tank, but this week i have been enjoying jumping into the middle of a zerg and crit rushing people down. I try to use as many shields and dragons blood as i can to maximize survivability.

Sometimes I can hold out for a while in the middle of like 5-8 people at a time, other times I just get wrecked.

All I know is that people always run away in fear when somebody dragon leaps into the middle of their zerg and starts tanking. My only real goal is to break up the enemy zerg balls to allow my team to smack them down first. I enjoy being the distraction.

W

Llilium wrote: »

I am a nord and had 4500ish health regen with buffs, but i could never ever acheive a decent stam regen of 2k. right now i'm having a good amount of success with my reactive armor build, however, with about 2500 weapon damage and 2k stam regen but threw away the health regen portion of my build.

Nice to hear guys, yeah leaping into zerg is funny as, specially on tower farms!

I received 4.5k health and 2,2K Stam Regen with 5X willows path and 3x oblivions foe, 1x lord warden shield, 3x endurance yewelry.
All yewelry gold enchanted for health regen.

what race are you? i have the willows and oblivions but not the endurace or lord warden shield but i dont see how that much regen is possibly my stats arent close to it

Horker

zuto40 wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

FlounderOG wrote: »

I was considering switching my stam DK to a health tank, but this week i have been enjoying jumping into the middle of a zerg and crit rushing people down. I try to use as many shields and dragons blood as i can to maximize survivability.

Sometimes I can hold out for a while in the middle of like 5-8 people at a time, other times I just get wrecked.

All I know is that people always run away in fear when somebody dragon leaps into the middle of their zerg and starts tanking. My only real goal is to break up the enemy zerg balls to allow my team to smack them down first. I enjoy being the distraction.

W

Llilium wrote: »

I am a nord and had 4500ish health regen with buffs, but i could never ever acheive a decent stam regen of 2k. right now i'm having a good amount of success with my reactive armor build, however, with about 2500 weapon damage and 2k stam regen but threw away the health regen portion of my build.

Nice to hear guys, yeah leaping into zerg is funny as, specially on tower farms!

I received 4.5k health and 2,2K Stam Regen with 5X willows path and 3x oblivions foe, 1x lord warden shield, 3x endurance yewelry.
All yewelry gold enchanted for health regen.

what race are you? i have the willows and oblivions but not the endurace or lord warden shield but i dont see how that much regen is possibly my stats arent close to it

Nord/Orc are only viable races.

artal

philip-sanderneb18_ESO wrote: »

Wait, just a question: I thought permafrost works only while u have a shield active, and not slottet. Shields just go down quickly, so i didnt think the set as good as u post it. How is it now?

you can also give brawler a try. I havent tested it but it should work with permafrost.

zuto40

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

FlounderOG wrote: »

I was considering switching my stam DK to a health tank, but this week i have been enjoying jumping into the middle of a zerg and crit rushing people down. I try to use as many shields and dragons blood as i can to maximize survivability.

Sometimes I can hold out for a while in the middle of like 5-8 people at a time, other times I just get wrecked.

All I know is that people always run away in fear when somebody dragon leaps into the middle of their zerg and starts tanking. My only real goal is to break up the enemy zerg balls to allow my team to smack them down first. I enjoy being the distraction.

W

Llilium wrote: »

I am a nord and had 4500ish health regen with buffs, but i could never ever acheive a decent stam regen of 2k. right now i'm having a good amount of success with my reactive armor build, however, with about 2500 weapon damage and 2k stam regen but threw away the health regen portion of my build.

Nice to hear guys, yeah leaping into zerg is funny as, specially on tower farms!

I received 4.5k health and 2,2K Stam Regen with 5X willows path and 3x oblivions foe, 1x lord warden shield, 3x endurance yewelry.
All yewelry gold enchanted for health regen.

what race are you? i have the willows and oblivions but not the endurace or lord warden shield but i dont see how that much regen is possibly my stats arent close to it

Nord/Orc are only viable races.

i am an orc

Horker

zuto40 wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

FlounderOG wrote: »

I was considering switching my stam DK to a health tank, but this week i have been enjoying jumping into the middle of a zerg and crit rushing people down. I try to use as many shields and dragons blood as i can to maximize survivability.

Sometimes I can hold out for a while in the middle of like 5-8 people at a time, other times I just get wrecked.

All I know is that people always run away in fear when somebody dragon leaps into the middle of their zerg and starts tanking. My only real goal is to break up the enemy zerg balls to allow my team to smack them down first. I enjoy being the distraction.

W

Llilium wrote: »

I am a nord and had 4500ish health regen with buffs, but i could never ever acheive a decent stam regen of 2k. right now i'm having a good amount of success with my reactive armor build, however, with about 2500 weapon damage and 2k stam regen but threw away the health regen portion of my build.

Nice to hear guys, yeah leaping into zerg is funny as, specially on tower farms!

I received 4.5k health and 2,2K Stam Regen with 5X willows path and 3x oblivions foe, 1x lord warden shield, 3x endurance yewelry.
All yewelry gold enchanted for health regen.

what race are you? i have the willows and oblivions but not the endurace or lord warden shield but i dont see how that much regen is possibly my stats arent close to it

Nord/Orc are only viable races.

i am an orc

I love you, i mean I love orc, um, can u link a screenshot from gear and character stats? So I can help u out