Do you think dragons break lore?

attackjet

Ok, this is the poll to end all polls (and discussions) about dragons breaking lore.

Please leave an answer and EXPLAIN why you chose the answer

attackjet

Dragons do and don't break lore

Tryxus

Dragons don't break lore

Even after Alduin's defeat and the dragons being hunted by the Dragonguard, there were still several alive and (some not so) well:

- Molag Bal captured a dragon and turned him into the first Daedric Titan
- Tiber Septim had a dragon in his employ when he conquered Tamriel
- Paarthurnax/Mirmulnir/... are surviving dragons gone into hiding

So ofc it is possible we might see a dragon in ESO, just not as a NPC. Maybe as a boss for a dungeon/trial?

Dragonlings (gonna count the Kindlespit Dragon Frog as one) are not dragons. I wouldn't mind seeing them in ESO either. It takes me back to the time I played Daggerfall

So in short: Dragons and Dragonlings aren't lore breaking

Abeille

Dragons do and don't break lore

Depends.

Dragons as mounts in this game? Not lore-accurate.

Let me quote this person because their answer was great:

Ghanima_Atreides wrote: »

Apart from the fact that it would be lore-breaking for many Dragons to be around at this point in time, Dragons aren't animals to be trained and mounted at will. They are extremely proud, intelligent beings who consider themselves above mortals (in fact, they once ruled over mortals as gods). In Skyrim, one accepted it - once - under duress, and the Dragonborn could force others into it by literally bending their will with a special Shout that only a Dragonborn could use. So no, no Dragon mounts in ESO, ever.

Now... The mere existence of a few dragons in the game does not break the lore. It was suggested multiple times that we could have one as a trial boss, and it would be fine. We could even maybe find a dragon that we know that doesn't die until later on, as long as we can't kill this particular dragon in ESO (maybe we can fight him, but he flies away when the HP gets to zero instead of actually dying).

Prabooo

Dragons do and don't break lore

JD2013

Dragons do and don't break lore

Abeille wrote: »

Depends.

Dragons as mounts in this game? Not lore-accurate.

Let me quote this person because their answer was great:

Ghanima_Atreides wrote: »

Apart from the fact that it would be lore-breaking for many Dragons to be around at this point in time, Dragons aren't animals to be trained and mounted at will. They are extremely proud, intelligent beings who consider themselves above mortals (in fact, they once ruled over mortals as gods). In Skyrim, one accepted it - once - under duress, and the Dragonborn could force others into it by literally bending their will with a special Shout that only a Dragonborn could use. So no, no Dragon mounts in ESO, ever.

Now... The mere existence of a few dragons in the game does not break the lore. It was suggested multiple times that we could have one as a trial boss, and it would be fine. We could even maybe find a dragon that we know that doesn't die until later on, as long as we can't kill this particular dragon in ESO (maybe we can fight him, but he flies away when the HP gets to zero instead of actually dying).

Correct.

Let me also add to this the fact that as well as them being proud and intelligent beings, the only way we were able to mount a dragon in Skyrim was by being Dragonborn and using the power of the voice to control it.

Nobody is a Dragonborn (at least consciously) in this part of Tamriel's history. This is why the Dragonfires are dark (Traditionally an heir of Alessia, who sits on the throne) and the Daedric invasion happened. Certainly The Vestige is not Dragonborn.

helediron

Dragons don't break lore

Took this screenshot few weeks ago. I don't remember the place, maybe was in Coldharbour. So, ESO has at least this reference to them.

UrQuan

Dragons do and don't break lore

Dragons do and don't break lore is the best answer, because it depends on how they end up in the game. In this time period almost all of them are dead, but some are still alive. Any appearance by a dragon, or references to dragons, need to take that into account.

ProfessorKittyhawk

I don't see why we couldn't have some dlc where there's a rip in time or something where a dragon appears. It could be a trial or dungeon that exists in some other plane of time/space or something. The thing with Elder Scrolls lore is that they allow room for things like this. I don't think we should have an over abundance of them as we had enough in Skyrim. So my previous suggestion seems like it would work well enough.

Ffastyl

Dragons do and don't break lore

Dragons existed in the timeline of Tamriel and will exist but do not currently exist.

Zorrashi

Dragons do and don't break lore

Depends.
It is honestly reliant on how many there are and how these dragons are introduced. Despite the dragon wars and their subsequent hunting by the blades, there are a few dragons in hiding. So one as a trial boss, for example, would not be too far out there if the setting was set up for it.

By the ESO takes place, dragons have been reduced to legend. So if there is any dragon introduced, they would have to take this into account.

Elsonso

Dragons do and don't break lore

Dragons do not break lore unless they are commonly found at a time when dragons are not commonly found in Tamriel. They are almost never commonly found.

In the 2nd Era, we should be able to find Paarthurnax on Throat of the World, if anyone should go looking.

Farorin

Dragons do and don't break lore

They do break lore as there are no records or accounts of them in the lorebooks during the p[eriod that ESO is set in. But that doesn't mean they don't exist, or weren't encountered.

Personally I would rather they weren't in the game, but if they ever did become introduced it should be as a single, once only encounter.

Epona222

helediron wrote: »

Took this screenshot few weeks ago. I don't remember the place, maybe was in Coldharbour. So, ESO has at least this reference to them.

I think that is in the Companions' vault/crypt under Fallowstone Hall in The Rift. There are a few interesting items in there to look at.

Duiwel

Dragons do and don't break lore

I would be very curious to see what they come up with to introduce dragons should they decide to.


Although the odds of the Vestige being dragonborn is highly unlikely I do think it's fair game that we could meet an NPC who is later on the storyline ( if they decide to add onto what has already been written ) and then you can obviously play god all you like and allow or deny certain things. I think as mounts it would be lore breaking just by the sheer # of players in the world. There have never been THAT many dragons ... literally no one would ride a land based mount again!


As for the people who want dragon mounts, you guys should just start spamming drake threads instead ( that's the closest you will ever get in ESO ).

negbert

Don't you speak to a dragon in the bone orchard in Grahtwood that has been dug up? Not really in a position to do much fighting.

NTclaymore

Dragons do break lore

After the akaviri war ended with Reman Cyrodiil as victor he absorbed the Akaviri army into his own because he feared Summerset aggression. The Akaviri dragonguard was more than willing to serve Reman because of his dragonborn nature and thos the dragonhunt started. Only a few dragons are known to have eluded the dragonguard and even they had a hard time doing so. Its therefore highly unlikely that there would be any remaining dragons that can be used in a ESO setting.

Elektrakosh

I thought ESO was set before Skyrim? I've heard of those Dragon-frog things which I thought was bordering on madness.

Perhaps there could be rumours of the dragons wanting to enslave mortal kind?
I have no idea what part of the timeline this game is set.

HaldaAinur

Dragons do and don't break lore

There are definite references to the possible existence of dragons in ESO- I once looted a dragon-bone comb. Unfortunately I don't have a screen-shot but if I find one again I'll post it here.

KhajiitiLizard

Dragons do and don't break lore

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

I don't see why we couldn't have some dlc where there's a rip in time or something where a dragon appears. It could be a trial or dungeon that exists in some other plane of time/space or something. The thing with Elder Scrolls lore is that they allow room for things like this. I don't think we should have an over abundance of them as we had enough in Skyrim. So my previous suggestion seems like it would work well enough.

Septimus Signus' book "Ruminations of The Elder Scrolls" from the 4th era somehow went back in time... maybe a dragon could too (or forward in time like Alduin but much earlier). Or maybe a quest that takes you into the Soul Carin as there is a dragon there, Durnehviir.

JKorr

helediron wrote: »

Took this screenshot few weeks ago. I don't remember the place, maybe was in Coldharbour. So, ESO has at least this reference to them.

Dishonor the white

Not such a great name for a dragon. https://www.thuum.org/dictionary.php?letter=A

ESO is after the Dragon Wars, and a couple of thousand years before Skyrim. The dragons that are still around are in hiding. The dragon that Tiber Septim has an agreement with is Paarth. Tiber/Hjalti went to the Greybeards and their leader at the top of the Throat of the World. He knows Paarth is a dragon, and protected him. Remember the two remaining Blades in Skyrim aren't happy to discover that he's there and want him dead.

If there are hundreds of dragon mounts/taxis carrying players everywhere they are definitely lore-breaking. If there are dragons behind every rock and tree as an enemy, they are definitely lore-breaking.

Catching a glimpse of Paarth flying over the Throat of World if you're in the right place in the game would be fantastic, and not lore-breaking.

Woeler

Dragons don't break lore

The last dragon sighting was when Talos rode one at the end of the second era. We are before that time period, so dragons are still present. After Talos no dragons were seen until the year of the last Dragonborn, which is basically in TESV.

Lorewise, dragons should be alive and present during this time.

JKorr

Woeler wrote: »

The last dragon sighting was when Talos rode one at the end of the second era. We are before that time period, so dragons are still present. After Talos no dragons were seen until the year of the last Dragonborn, which is basically in TESV.

Lorewise, dragons should be alive and present during this time.

The Dragon War was Late Merethic Era. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Merethic_Era The Dragon war lore: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_War
When the populace rebelled, the dragon priests retaliated. When the dragon priests could not collect the tribute or control the masses, the dragons' response was swift and brutal. So it was the Dragon War began.

At first, men died by the thousands. The ancient texts reveal that a few dragons took the side of men. Why they did this is not known. The priests of the Nine Divines claim it was Akatosh himself that intervened. From these dragons men learned magics to use against dragons. The tide began to turn and dragons began to die too.

The war was long and bloody. The dragon priests were overthrown and dragons were slaughtered in large numbers. The surviving dragons scattered, choosing to live in remote places away from men. The dragon cult itself adapted and survived. They built the dragon mounds, entombing the remains of dragons that fell in the war. They believed that one day the dragons would rise again and reward the faithful.

ESO is in the 6th century of the Second Era. There are rumors of dragons, but none living openly where people can use them as mounts or everyone is tripping over them behind every bush and rock.

nine9six

Dragons don't break lore

Lore can't break lore?

I don't understand the question, I guess.

Hand_Bacon

Don't care

Its fiction.

Write the fiction to fit the situation, easy.

Ponzoni

Dragons do and don't break lore

Well, i understand that we can't have dragons flying around, but i do hope that we get a Dragon armor motif in the future.
and if you have a closer look on skyrim mage's guild quest line you will see a dragon there that we could have on eso with no lore break,

a Lich Dragon would be cool

Ghanima_Atreides

Abeille wrote: »

Depends.

Dragons as mounts in this game? Not lore-accurate.

Let me quote this person because their answer was great:

Heh, thanks!

Although most people want one as a trial boss or similar, I'd prefer an NPC we could talk to, and glean some information about the fate of the few surviving Dragons after the Dragon War. Would be interesting from a lore perspective, and, yes, such a cameo wouldn't be lore-breaking. Many dragons flying around in the open (or even worse, being ridden) on the other hand is one of the biggest NOPES I can think of, the other being bringing back the Dwemer.

failkiwib16_ESO

Dragons don't break lore

There is no such thing as lorebreaking, when it comes to a fictional universe, with ongoing developing stories.

kawazu874b16_ESO

Dragons don't break lore

Ffastyl wrote: »

Dragons existed in the timeline of Tamriel and will exist but do not currently exist.

I think they don't break the lore as they are a part of the lore. But ...

I also think that there is one and only one living dragon. It's been the first place I came to, even being low level, avoiding every "red" npc I saw to stay alive. Eventually spending quite an afternoon to get there : to the Throat of the world and find if I can just see the winds preventing the access to Paarthurnax... And raging against Zenimax not having implemented this part of Tamriel (even without quest or npc)

LadyNalcarya

Ghanima_Atreides wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Depends.

Dragons as mounts in this game? Not lore-accurate.

Let me quote this person because their answer was great:

Heh, thanks!

Although most people want one as a trial boss or similar, I'd prefer an NPC we could talk to, and glean some information about the fate of the few surviving Dragons after the Dragon War. Would be interesting from a lore perspective, and, yes, such a cameo wouldn't be lore-breaking. Many dragons flying around in the open (or even worse, being ridden) on the other hand is one of the biggest NOPES I can think of, the other being bringing back the Dwemer.

This. In any case, dragons shouldnt become mundane mobs or mounts, like in Skyrim.
1 or 2 dragon npc/bosses might be really interesting though, but they should be unique and very, very powerful.

BullNetch

they've gotta be foreign dragons from Akavir or Atmora... non-Tamriel dragons.

The dragons that disappeared were those loyal to Alduin and ruled over cults of men. The biggest, baddest most powerful dragons in the world disappeared.