Is ESO canon?

kenpachi480

Wondering if people see ESO as part of the TES universe or just a canon ?

Sausage

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

elias.stormneb18_ESO

Yes it's canon. Both Bethesda and ZOS have stated that that's the case. I'm sick and tired of people saying things like "ESO ent Canon bcz Skyrem and Multplr." ESO is canon, there is no reason it shouldn't be. So many people say that "ESO isn't a TES game because this and that, and Skyrim was better." That's a stupid argument. Skyrim and Oblivion took the Elder Scrolls series and stripped it of everything that was interesting and unique. ESO brings back so many of those great things. ESO is canon, don't let anyonone tell you otherwise. Also, @Sausage; you are the very embodiment of what one might call a "Casu-El" on a subreddit I know very well...

Ruben

kenpachi480 wrote: »

Wondering if people see ESO as part of the TES universe or just a canon ?

Do you know what canon means? If it is canon, it is part of the TES universe.

I think it's canon, it's set way before the single player games so anything conflicting can be dismissed easily.

JD2013

Yes it is. And is set hundreds of years before the main series starts, so has no effect whatsoever on them.

It's been stated it is canon.

/thread.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?

And yes it is canon.

Elsonso

Yeah, ESO is canon.

My opinion: TES 6 will likely contain some book that talks about the events of ESO in some vague manner. TES 6 can write about the defeat of Molag Bal from the ESO main quest, but BGS will not write an ending to the Three Banners War, since that is an active and ongoing event. Even if there is a "dragon break" after the events of ESO and the whole Soulburst and Three Banners War is wiped from the timeline, Hermaeus Mora will have some book squirreled away that tells of what happened. I am fairly sure that book will be in TES 6.

mattymaats

I think this has relevance...



I also prefer Canon over Nikon, glad to see some who agree!

Edit: Wait... we not talking about cameras? Title misleading....

sekou_trayvond

I definitely think ESO is canon- doubly so given Todd Howard's recent comments that they're working on three new projects, to wit:

"We have three longer-term projects we're doing that are all...we'll talk about them at a much future date," he said. "But they're different than anything we've done before while also being a Bethesda-style game; big and crazy. But in many ways different than things we've done before."

So, personally I think Todd and his team are done with Elder Scrolls.

Tamriel is ZoS' world to make now, IMO.

Leradis

mb10

Of course its canon! What would be the point in even playing it if it wasn't? The Elder Scrolls makes this game what it is.

Some fans genuinely expect Bethesda to make a time machine, go back to Morrowind and Oblivion and enter information about a game they were going to make over 10-15 years later just so it can fit in a little better.

"oh but the other games didnt mention the alliance war"
and if you knew anything about lore there were several other wars that never get mentioned!

Most of these moaners just skip the dialogue in quests and never read any of the books which makes them think ESO has nothing to do with lore but the lore in this game is huge. You meet some huge characters in this game. From emporers (or empress in White Gold Tower dungeon) to daedric princes.

If ANYTHING isn't canon its the joining every guild and serving every daedric prince then owning all the artefacts that people tend to do on normal TES games.


Anyway, TES6 will most likely mention it to finally put that stupid point to bed.


(This post was not aimed at OP)

LadyNalcarya

https://twitter.com/tesonline/status/372017971423498240

Sausage

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?

And yes it is canon.

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown, I'd take alternative path, instead of sinking all money into ESO. Also if WoW start to bleed like crazy, I predict all people will spread around the genre, instead of choosing one game. Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

KhajitFurTrader

Sausage wrote: »

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown,

It doesn't even need to.

Sausage wrote: »

Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

Huh? What's that supposed to mean? The biggest charm of Elder Scrolls in general is carving one's own path within the vast, rich world of Tamriel. Why would I even remotely want to passively watch someone else's fantasy instead?

Sausage

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown,

It doesn't even need to.

Tell that to Bethesda Bosses and Wall Street guys. They are in for the money, nothing else.

Recremen

Yes, and it's beautiful.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yes and please don't say "Alliance wars Molag Bal never mention in Skyrim or Oblivion". Oh yea cause Bethesda and Zenimax studios are gonna put spoilers of their next games into games that they don't even know that their making. Plus there's teh Dragon Break theory and this even lore but most text books and what not were destroyed or not even recorded in the 2nd era the Empire really didn't start keeping track of everything till Talos made the 2rd Empire of man.

SorataArisugawa

Sausage wrote: »

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown,

It doesn't even need to.

Tell that to Bethesda Bosses and Wall Street guys. They are in for the money, nothing else.

Yeah, and?
If you believe money is the most important factor... well you are as "enlighted" as them.
Some people are so poor, all they have is money...

If they just focus on moneymaking witht he game, they would lose a lot of people. If the still focus on a great game, they will have a lot of success with it. It won't be the highest amount of money they make, but they will get a lot of money from it over time.

Sausage

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown,

It doesn't even need to.

Tell that to Bethesda Bosses and Wall Street guys. They are in for the money, nothing else.

Yeah, and?
If you believe money is the most important factor... well you are as "enlighted" as them.
Some people are so poor, all they have is money...

If they just focus on moneymaking witht he game, they would lose a lot of people. If the still focus on a great game, they will have a lot of success with it. It won't be the highest amount of money they make, but they will get a lot of money from it over time.

If they succeed with the TV-series, we might have a another Star Wars or WoW in our hands.

Ffastyl

The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall introduced a concept that allows the Devs to alter the past, present and future at their whim:

Dragon Break

Non-linear time. Using the Dragon Break, all possible endings in Daggerfall occur in a diverging timeline that then reconverges into chaos. For a document of the aftermath, refer to a Warp in the West.

There is also the cleverness on the Devs' part to never say from outside the universe what has transpired. All documents, testaments, observations, theories and beliefs are from the perspective of people within the Elder Scrolls universe. This means there is no solid truth or answer to anything, only matching witness testimonies. As such, what has happened, will happen, and is happening are all subject to personal belief based on information available.

It's a lot like real life.

Marrtha

Sausage wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?

And yes it is canon.

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown, I'd take alternative path, instead of sinking all money into ESO. Also if WoW start to bleed like crazy, I predict all people will spread around the genre, instead of choosing one game. Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

What the actual f*ck? You do realise WoW's crown has been crumbling ever since Cata? Players are not happy with where the story is going, PvP is a joke, and all the classes are being dumbed down in general. The number of subscribers is tumbling down, and as much as they tried to save it with WoD, and now with Legion, players will leave. People are already spreading around the genre. Star Wars has successful games under its franchise (including an MMO), WoW is getting a film as well...
And you do realise that ESO wouldn't be running if it was not profitable at all?
I mean there are certain things from the lore that would be great for a series that would be Game of Thrones-ish or fit in a film but damn it. Not the cleverest idea I've heard. Better to invest that money into another ES game.

Eiagra

One of the concepts they have in the Elder Scrolls lore is conductive to both single-player and massively multiplayer instances while remaining canon-friendly.

That concept is the "Dragon Break." Basically, time and space kinda break and splinter off, and you have a large number of event sequences that may vary in their specifics, but can be subsumed into a primary canon path. On a large scale, you have events like the Warp of the West, where seven(?) different factions all gained control of the Totem of Tiber Septim and used it for Reasons and Did Things. The edges blur a bit as it starts merging back into a single history, but it's an example of two directly opposing actions both succeeding and both being canonical.

You'll note that in a lot of the lore (official and unofficial), games don't specifically name a hero character in instances where you create your own. In Daggerfall, the historical events are attributed to "the Agent." In Morrowind, "the Nerevarine." In Oblivion, the "Hero of Kvatch," amongst other titles. In Skyrim, "the Dragonborn." Presumably, then, each individual player instance of a new save game can be considered an off-shoot of a primary Dragon Break, an infinitesimally small splinter linked from an enormous crack in time and space.

It stands to reason that, especially in the instance of a globally disruptive event like the Soulburst and Planemeld, that not only is the world itself experiencing another Dragon Break, but each player (or "Vestige") is also experiencing splintered off-shoots of time and space exclusive to them.

So, what happens when the Vestige interacts with other players and other NPCs? That's a little less clear, but I like to think that there's a lot of splintering and merging going on that blurs things quite a bit. Eventually, it'll all settle down into a generalized canon that future generations will be able to read about, with many of the specifics lost to history. And despite there being thousands of Vestiges all saving Nirn all at the same time, and yet at separate times, in the same space, and yet in separate spaces, and yet somehow a single Vestige as well as the multiple Vestiges... yes, ESO is canon.

Lysette

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown,

It doesn't even need to.

Sausage wrote: »

Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

Huh? What's that supposed to mean? The biggest charm of Elder Scrolls in general is carving one's own path within the vast, rich world of Tamriel. Why would I even remotely want to passively watch someone else's fantasy instead?

Very good points. WoW has never made me any interested in even trying it, the whole concept of that game is not appealing to me and the cartoonish graphics are awful. But even if WoW would be great, it is not Elder Scrolls, I am here because of that it is Elder Scrolls and to me it feels like Elder Scrolls, because I go with role play and stay away from the normal MMO crowd, for whom TES lore means nothing. To me Tamriel is my RPG home since 13 years and I hope it will stay that way.

Edit: I hope you are not trading furs of Khajiit. This one would not like that.

Sausage

Marrtha wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?

And yes it is canon.

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown, I'd take alternative path, instead of sinking all money into ESO. Also if WoW start to bleed like crazy, I predict all people will spread around the genre, instead of choosing one game. Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

What the actual f*ck? You do realise WoW's crown has been crumbling ever since Cata? Players are not happy with where the story is going, PvP is a joke, and all the classes are being dumbed down in general. The number of subscribers is tumbling down, and as much as they tried to save it with WoD, and now with Legion, players will leave. People are already spreading around the genre. Star Wars has successful games under its franchise (including an MMO), WoW is getting a film as well...
And you do realise that ESO wouldn't be running if it was not profitable at all?
I mean there are certain things from the lore that would be great for a series that would be Game of Thrones-ish or fit in a film but damn it. Not the cleverest idea I've heard. Better to invest that money into another ES game.

Of course they are gonna do that, but thats 200+ mill and probably more. Game of Thrones Season 6 only cost 60 mill, so Bethesda could easily jump into TV-series too and own it.

Elsonso

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown,

It doesn't even need to.

Sausage wrote: »

Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

Huh? What's that supposed to mean? The biggest charm of Elder Scrolls in general is carving one's own path within the vast, rich world of Tamriel. Why would I even remotely want to passively watch someone else's fantasy instead?

And yet, people watch streams of people playing ESO. Not exactly the same thing, but it is still a passive activity that is not actually playing the game.

Ffastyl wrote: »

There is also the cleverness on the Devs' part to never say from outside the universe what has transpired. All documents, testaments, observations, theories and beliefs are from the perspective of people within the Elder Scrolls universe. This means there is no solid truth or answer to anything, only matching witness testimonies. As such, what has happened, will happen, and is happening are all subject to personal belief based on information available.

It's a lot like real life.

This is an important concept. This means that any player that writes a journal from the character's perspective that depicts events experienced by the character during game play is actually writing Elder Scrolls lore. People discount this by calling it fan fiction, but in the universe of Elder Scrolls, canon lore is just fan fiction written by professional fans on the development team. As long as fan fiction does not invent things that did not, or cannot, happen per historical lore, the fan fiction is still part of the overall lore, even if it is not formally accepted by the historians.

With the obvious caution that not every account written by every wannabe historian is going to be picked up and used, or even believed, by the Historians that decide these things, as players, as long as we stay within the legal copyright and intellectual property rights, we can write Elder Scrolls lore in this format.

Trayzard

Sausage wrote: »

If they succeed with the TV-series, we might have a another Star Wars or WoW in our hands.

which TV series are you guys talking about??????????? Are there plans for an The Elder Scrolls TV series??? source pls.

exeeter702

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

Sausage wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?

And yes it is canon.

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown, I'd take alternative path, instead of sinking all money into ESO. Also if WoW start to bleed like crazy, I predict all people will spread around the genre, instead of choosing one game. Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

What the hell are you even talking about.

Do you even know what "cannon" means?

wolfydog

mb10 wrote: »

If ANYTHING isn't canon its the joining every guild and serving every daedric prince then owning all the artefacts that people tend to do on normal TES games.

In fairness, well get to that point in ESO eventually!

Thybrinena

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?
.

I was wondering the same thing when I read that post.

Sausage

exeeter702 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

Sausage wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

In my opinion, MMORPG cant be cannon atm, wow still holds too strong grib on the genre, its maybe slightly losing it but not even nearly enough. Luckily, we have ES6 coming, well at least thats what I suspect, Bethesda cant fool around, ES6 is safest bet, they need another FO4. I also keep hoping when Game of Thrones is over, ES TV-series replaces it.

What does this even mean?

And yes it is canon.

It means whatever ESO does, it never cant take WoW's Crown, I'd take alternative path, instead of sinking all money into ESO. Also if WoW start to bleed like crazy, I predict all people will spread around the genre, instead of choosing one game. Star Wars did it with Movies, WoW did it with MMORPG, could ESO do it with TV-series? I think TV is great direction for the series, ES cant compete with game-industry Fantasy anyway so effectively.

What the hell are you even talking about.

Do you even know what "cannon" means?

Please explain it to me?

ESO should always be part of TES IP, only part, they shouldnt build on it. MMORPG genre isnt even nearly ready for that, but TV-series might be, I'd imagine TV-series followers are way different than Hollywood movie crowd or MMORPG players.

I55UE5

Nope it's not canon. Skyrim didn't have OP shield stacks.