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manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »Doesn't matter if he's not associated with you. When he's all up in your last emp keep with lots of people, we quickly forget, "Oh the emp group is small."
Why don't you go on and call RAGE, Victorem, and M12 "toxic" while you're at it too since they've all stacked with this group or that group, whether accidentally or purposefully, at one point or another.
I am thinking that he may be confusing instances where killer was dethroned and not us. Especially considering he referenced me complaining and I did not complain the last two times we had Emp.
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Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
I think you might be confusing some of these dethrones. Especially considering the 3 time we had it Alessia was the last keep.The first one you described sounds like the last time we had it. That time I made no complaints over it.
The second instance you listed was simply not us. You also made no mention of the first time we had it. This is the particular time I have been referencing.
I don't think I'm Confused on it.Alessia is last keep but last few times we've ended up fighting your main faction force at Roe while EP took Alessia shortly after. I specifically kept you at Roe to ensure by the time we took it reinforcing Alessia wouldn't be possible.
The main thrust of this is that people play to the content presented and I'm no different. We've pulled off dethroned be Haxus and GoS that took us 10+ wipes and 4-5 hours to do. But it was merely hard, not impossible, so we kept at it until we got it. When you stack up enough people that I can't even use my abilities, at a certain point I'll throw up my hands and join the faction rally because those are the win conditions you have set for me.
You don't get to create a situation where the lag and numbers in play make it impossible for a single group to do anything without getting lagged out and swarmed and ALSO call us toxic for doing what we need to do to end the nonsense and try to have a fun Pvp night
To be clear you do understand that the killa beez guy is not associated with me at all?
You still continue to ignore the instance I was referencing. Where once again there was no lag until you stacked with the entire DC faction.
Yes to kills beez not being part of ya and no to the rest. Every emp I've had a hand in dethroning lately came with a lot of lag. You can claim there wasnt but the moment anyone touched that emp keep AD showed up in force. You can't stack a bunch of people in a keep everyone wants to take and than complain about lag when a bunch of people show up to take it.
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I wonder why dethrones with your raid have lag associated with it.Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
I think you might be confusing some of these dethrones. Especially considering the 3 time we had it Alessia was the last keep.The first one you described sounds like the last time we had it. That time I made no complaints over it.
The second instance you listed was simply not us. You also made no mention of the first time we had it. This is the particular time I have been referencing.
I don't think I'm Confused on it.Alessia is last keep but last few times we've ended up fighting your main faction force at Roe while EP took Alessia shortly after. I specifically kept you at Roe to ensure by the time we took it reinforcing Alessia wouldn't be possible.
The main thrust of this is that people play to the content presented and I'm no different. We've pulled off dethroned be Haxus and GoS that took us 10+ wipes and 4-5 hours to do. But it was merely hard, not impossible, so we kept at it until we got it. When you stack up enough people that I can't even use my abilities, at a certain point I'll throw up my hands and join the faction rally because those are the win conditions you have set for me.
You don't get to create a situation where the lag and numbers in play make it impossible for a single group to do anything without getting lagged out and swarmed and ALSO call us toxic for doing what we need to do to end the nonsense and try to have a fun Pvp night
To be clear you do understand that the killa beez guy is not associated with me at all?
You still continue to ignore the instance I was referencing. Where once again there was no lag until you stacked with the entire DC faction.
Yes to kills beez not being part of ya and no to the rest. Every emp I've had a hand in dethroning lately came with a lot of lag. You can claim there wasnt but the moment anyone touched that emp keep AD showed up in force. You can't stack a bunch of people in a keep everyone wants to take and than complain about lag when a bunch of people show up to take it. Edited by manny254 on February 25, 2016 11:34PM- Mojican0 -
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I wonder why dethrones with your raid have lag associated with it.Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
I think you might be confusing some of these dethrones. Especially considering the 3 time we had it Alessia was the last keep.The first one you described sounds like the last time we had it. That time I made no complaints over it.
The second instance you listed was simply not us. You also made no mention of the first time we had it. This is the particular time I have been referencing.
I don't think I'm Confused on it.Alessia is last keep but last few times we've ended up fighting your main faction force at Roe while EP took Alessia shortly after. I specifically kept you at Roe to ensure by the time we took it reinforcing Alessia wouldn't be possible.
The main thrust of this is that people play to the content presented and I'm no different. We've pulled off dethroned be Haxus and GoS that took us 10+ wipes and 4-5 hours to do. But it was merely hard, not impossible, so we kept at it until we got it. When you stack up enough people that I can't even use my abilities, at a certain point I'll throw up my hands and join the faction rally because those are the win conditions you have set for me.
You don't get to create a situation where the lag and numbers in play make it impossible for a single group to do anything without getting lagged out and swarmed and ALSO call us toxic for doing what we need to do to end the nonsense and try to have a fun Pvp night
To be clear you do understand that the killa beez guy is not associated with me at all?
You still continue to ignore the instance I was referencing. Where once again there was no lag until you stacked with the entire DC faction.
Yes to kills beez not being part of ya and no to the rest. Every emp I've had a hand in dethroning lately came with a lot of lag. You can claim there wasnt but the moment anyone touched that emp keep AD showed up in force. You can't stack a bunch of people in a keep everyone wants to take and than complain about lag when a bunch of people show up to take it.
Probably the same reason I get hate tells about my Zerg when I'm alone at a keep with 15 people. Some people just salty
Edit: ok I'll bypass a pure snark answer. Dethrones almost always lag because it centers population of the server into one spot. Almost always, a faction tries to hold onto emp at the cost of all else. I used to like dethrones cuz of the challenge. Now I just log on to 900 ping and assist the dethrone so my ping will be 309 and playable againEdited by Satiar on February 25, 2016 11:54PMVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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✭✭My ping goes to 900 every time CN and VE stack together.
But that's not what this thread's about.
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I have had confirmation of 100-120 AD in one place. So it is baseline 100 and prob goes to at least 150.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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Waylander✭✭✭✭The forum PvP is real lately.
I wouldn't be surprised if the pop shows locked from about 120, but allows up to 150 (says locked but no queue).
Typically I imagine there to be 30% of the population doing their own thing (IC, horse simulator, at gates, delves etc), 20% of AD's population to be in stealth waiting for the perfect gank and about 50% of the population at whatever primary objective is happening at the time.Nocturnal - AD Oceanic PvP Guild
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Greiver✭✭✭vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
At least we hope that's the case, because if there is max of 300 people across the server on all factions and the game lags like it does, that's just a horrible job by zenimax.Ps4 Na Daggerfall
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✭✭vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
At least we hope that's the case, because if there is max of 300 people across the server on all factions and the game lags like it does, that's just a horrible job by zenimax.
Yeah, it's a shame that lag is something that's completely new, and so we as players have had no time to figure out how to make it better.
Best idea so far that I read is :
When you have a high ping, blame it on the emperor and stack everything you got to dethrone him, probably the most logical thing I've seen on these forums so far.4 -
DjSolJAH✭✭✭vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
At least we hope that's the case, because if there is max of 300 people across the server on all factions and the game lags like it does, that's just a horrible job by zenimax.
Yeah, it's a shame that lag is something that's completely new, and so we as players have had no time to figure out how to make it better.
Best idea so far that I read is :
When you have a high ping, blame it on the emperor and stack everything you got to dethrone him, probably the most logical thing I've seen on these forums so far.
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