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Population cap
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_Chaos✭✭✭✭✭
✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »I feel like I'd have a more intelligent conversation with a brick wall, so I'll just agree that I'm bad and the cause of all lag, and ignorantly pretend its not a primary objective to overthrow enemies on the ruby throne.
gf
The entire basis of your argument was false. Instead of acknowledging that you bow out. If this was PVP would you then come back to Zerg me with a second argument raid?
You're asking me to be ignorant of the fact that the emperor is a primary objective in Cyrodiil, of course I will not stoop to your level. You cite one instance in the last half a year and run with it as if it overshadows or somehow voids my entire side of the debate.
The fact of the matter is this, if there's an active dethrone going on and it's lagging out the server, we will make sure it happens as quick and painless as possible. When no emp, we do the best we can to coordinate with others to cover as much ground as possible & avoid stacking up.
If this doesn't sit well with you, my sincerest apologies.
One instance? Are trying to be blind?
The basis of your argument was "Any active emp will be dethroned at prime time, I think we can all agree on that. " You then tried to use this as an excuse for stacking so many people the server near dies.
Unless you are a completely new player you should know that statement is false. There have been many emperors that last through prime time. To say other wise is just silly.
Your second point is that you stack to dethrone because of the lag, BUT this is also completely false as you have already proven that you will do it even if the emp group is only five people. Look around you your play style is what causes the lag to out of control.
To another point. You say that you want to dethrone at all costs because it is the objective. By this logic we should all be making efforts to push both the other factions to their gates and prevent them from taking anything. Is this the kind of pvp you want? Is this what you enjoy?
Yes any active emp on a competitive campaign these days will 99.9% be dethroned at prime time, you're really going to argue that point? Don't try to compare old metas with new, this is what happens these days. Been this way for at least half a year now.
I didn't say dethrone at all costs because its the objective, that's just why the pugs do it. We dethrone to alleviate the lag caused by those potatoing into a keep, endlessly being farmed and lagging the server. We do dethrone emp because it's an objective as well, but if it were simply between dethroning or lag-less PVP, of course we'd take the lag-less PVP!
You're quite the spin doctor, should've worked as a politician.
No you do not. You have proven this is not true. You still have not acknowledged my example of your guild stacking with the entire dc faction to dethrone a group of five. During said time there was no lag until you began stacking. So please explain how this falls into your policy of reducing lag.
You can't even give me a time frame and who was emp, yet expect a specific answer? You keep going on and on about this magical dethrone where two raids ran over 5 people (5 people defending an emp keep at AZ prime time? I'll believe that when I see it) Got a video of this by chance so I can figure out what in the actual f$#k you're going on about?
I can give broad sweeping "examples" all day too, but I don't expect people to take them seriously.'Chaos1 -
manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »I feel like I'd have a more intelligent conversation with a brick wall, so I'll just agree that I'm bad and the cause of all lag, and ignorantly pretend its not a primary objective to overthrow enemies on the ruby throne.
gf
The entire basis of your argument was false. Instead of acknowledging that you bow out. If this was PVP would you then come back to Zerg me with a second argument raid?
You're asking me to be ignorant of the fact that the emperor is a primary objective in Cyrodiil, of course I will not stoop to your level. You cite one instance in the last half a year and run with it as if it overshadows or somehow voids my entire side of the debate.
The fact of the matter is this, if there's an active dethrone going on and it's lagging out the server, we will make sure it happens as quick and painless as possible. When no emp, we do the best we can to coordinate with others to cover as much ground as possible & avoid stacking up.
If this doesn't sit well with you, my sincerest apologies.
One instance? Are trying to be blind?
The basis of your argument was "Any active emp will be dethroned at prime time, I think we can all agree on that. " You then tried to use this as an excuse for stacking so many people the server near dies.
Unless you are a completely new player you should know that statement is false. There have been many emperors that last through prime time. To say other wise is just silly.
Your second point is that you stack to dethrone because of the lag, BUT this is also completely false as you have already proven that you will do it even if the emp group is only five people. Look around you your play style is what causes the lag to out of control.
To another point. You say that you want to dethrone at all costs because it is the objective. By this logic we should all be making efforts to push both the other factions to their gates and prevent them from taking anything. Is this the kind of pvp you want? Is this what you enjoy?
Yes any active emp on a competitive campaign these days will 99.9% be dethroned at prime time, you're really going to argue that point? Don't try to compare old metas with new, this is what happens these days. Been this way for at least half a year now.
I didn't say dethrone at all costs because its the objective, that's just why the pugs do it. We dethrone to alleviate the lag caused by those potatoing into a keep, endlessly being farmed and lagging the server. We do dethrone emp because it's an objective as well, but if it were simply between dethroning or lag-less PVP, of course we'd take the lag-less PVP!
You're quite the spin doctor, should've worked as a politician.
No you do not. You have proven this is not true. You still have not acknowledged my example of your guild stacking with the entire dc faction to dethrone a group of five. During said time there was no lag until you began stacking. So please explain how this falls into your policy of reducing lag.
You can't even give me a time frame and who was emp, yet expect a specific answer? You keep going on and on about this magical dethrone where two raids ran over 5 people (5 people defending an emp keep at AZ prime time? I'll believe that when I see it) Got a video of this by chance so I can figure out what in the actual f$#k you're going on about?
I can give broad sweeping "examples" all day too, but I don't expect people to take them seriously.
It was when Aenlir was emp the dethrone was on February 8th.- Mojican1 -
_Chaos✭✭✭✭✭
✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »I feel like I'd have a more intelligent conversation with a brick wall, so I'll just agree that I'm bad and the cause of all lag, and ignorantly pretend its not a primary objective to overthrow enemies on the ruby throne.
gf
The entire basis of your argument was false. Instead of acknowledging that you bow out. If this was PVP would you then come back to Zerg me with a second argument raid?
You're asking me to be ignorant of the fact that the emperor is a primary objective in Cyrodiil, of course I will not stoop to your level. You cite one instance in the last half a year and run with it as if it overshadows or somehow voids my entire side of the debate.
The fact of the matter is this, if there's an active dethrone going on and it's lagging out the server, we will make sure it happens as quick and painless as possible. When no emp, we do the best we can to coordinate with others to cover as much ground as possible & avoid stacking up.
If this doesn't sit well with you, my sincerest apologies.
One instance? Are trying to be blind?
The basis of your argument was "Any active emp will be dethroned at prime time, I think we can all agree on that. " You then tried to use this as an excuse for stacking so many people the server near dies.
Unless you are a completely new player you should know that statement is false. There have been many emperors that last through prime time. To say other wise is just silly.
Your second point is that you stack to dethrone because of the lag, BUT this is also completely false as you have already proven that you will do it even if the emp group is only five people. Look around you your play style is what causes the lag to out of control.
To another point. You say that you want to dethrone at all costs because it is the objective. By this logic we should all be making efforts to push both the other factions to their gates and prevent them from taking anything. Is this the kind of pvp you want? Is this what you enjoy?
Yes any active emp on a competitive campaign these days will 99.9% be dethroned at prime time, you're really going to argue that point? Don't try to compare old metas with new, this is what happens these days. Been this way for at least half a year now.
I didn't say dethrone at all costs because its the objective, that's just why the pugs do it. We dethrone to alleviate the lag caused by those potatoing into a keep, endlessly being farmed and lagging the server. We do dethrone emp because it's an objective as well, but if it were simply between dethroning or lag-less PVP, of course we'd take the lag-less PVP!
You're quite the spin doctor, should've worked as a politician.
No you do not. You have proven this is not true. You still have not acknowledged my example of your guild stacking with the entire dc faction to dethrone a group of five. During said time there was no lag until you began stacking. So please explain how this falls into your policy of reducing lag.
You can't even give me a time frame and who was emp, yet expect a specific answer? You keep going on and on about this magical dethrone where two raids ran over 5 people (5 people defending an emp keep at AZ prime time? I'll believe that when I see it) Got a video of this by chance so I can figure out what in the actual f$#k you're going on about?
I can give broad sweeping "examples" all day too, but I don't expect people to take them seriously.
It was when Aenlir was emp the dethrone was on February 8th.
Let me look through my footage tonight to get some context and I'll be glad to answer that
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭Total 3 threads that have derailed recently due to VE...confirmed cause of lagEdited by GRxKnight on February 25, 2016 7:15PMMember of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
Kalista Schefer: VR16 AD Sorcerer; Alliance Rank 22
Noxus-Katarina: VR16 AD NB; Alliance Rank 30
Grxknight: VR16 AD DK; Alliance Rank 16
Lorelie Aedel: VR16 AD Templar; Alliance Rank 84 -
Roselle✭✭✭✭Came in to see what the campaign population cap might be, stayed to read off topic stuff and totally used up my lunch hour...This one was rekt by Zenimax6 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost0 -
manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
- Mojican3 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost1 -
manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
- Mojican2 -
PosternHouse✭✭✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
I doubt its that much more than 100, at most major keep fights when people claim "entire factions" are stacking in one keep, it usually ends up being in the range of 50-60 players of a faction at most, and thats on a locked campaign. Assuming not everyone is at one keep, I think its fair to say theres another 30-40 random players roaming around the rest of Cyrodiil.
Alot of people tend to exaggerate and say "THERES 200 PEOPLE STACKED IN THAT KEEP!" When that hasn't been the case for months now... this is a really basic way to look at it, but when you think of DC on Azuras for example.. and this is just an example.. a full raid of VE, 30-35 CN, and 20-30 random pugs or some other guild is generally enough to lock the population
Its funny how frequent all of those forces come to one spot.
Start pushing the map and spreading us out, you think we like stacking? lulz
See what happened last night? 3 DC raids, 1 at glade, 1 at ash, 1 at chal. It's amazing how the gameplay changes when players take initiative to attack objectives and not just farm resources with 5 WB and a pocket heal. People that complain about stacking that don't give us more than a single front to fight on can gladly get [snipped]
I still say 175/faction. You can have 3 raids going upper cyro, plus all the Winnies AFKing and King Richards hitting trans lines, plus Imperial City, this would easily add up to 150 minimum.
I remember what happened last time we pushed the objective. You had to stack the entire faction to fight a emp group of 5. Sounds like its better for your sake that we don't.
BTW looking for a small scale fight does not mean we are farming. I know such fights are very unfamiliar for you. We are simply looking for fights, but if you feel that you are being farmed then stop throwing your self at us.
A few things:
First, you're whining about getting zerged down at a last emp keep. Guess what happens at literally every single emp keep. Sorry Manny but you and your group doesn't get to be special snowflakes. Emperors will be dethroned and no one will take your group size into account.
Second, Steve was an elite small man player on red while you were with Venatus, getting rekt so hard that your guild lead quit for a year. If your small man group is ineffectual against larger groups, it's probably your fault you don't have more friends. You can always bribe them with kutas or something.
That is all, for now.Edited by PosternHouse on February 25, 2016 9:06PM1 -
manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
I doubt its that much more than 100, at most major keep fights when people claim "entire factions" are stacking in one keep, it usually ends up being in the range of 50-60 players of a faction at most, and thats on a locked campaign. Assuming not everyone is at one keep, I think its fair to say theres another 30-40 random players roaming around the rest of Cyrodiil.
Alot of people tend to exaggerate and say "THERES 200 PEOPLE STACKED IN THAT KEEP!" When that hasn't been the case for months now... this is a really basic way to look at it, but when you think of DC on Azuras for example.. and this is just an example.. a full raid of VE, 30-35 CN, and 20-30 random pugs or some other guild is generally enough to lock the population
Its funny how frequent all of those forces come to one spot.
Start pushing the map and spreading us out, you think we like stacking? lulz
See what happened last night? 3 DC raids, 1 at glade, 1 at ash, 1 at chal. It's amazing how the gameplay changes when players take initiative to attack objectives and not just farm resources with 5 WB and a pocket heal. People that complain about stacking that don't give us more than a single front to fight on can gladly get [snipped]
I still say 175/faction. You can have 3 raids going upper cyro, plus all the Winnies AFKing and King Richards hitting trans lines, plus Imperial City, this would easily add up to 150 minimum.
I remember what happened last time we pushed the objective. You had to stack the entire faction to fight a emp group of 5. Sounds like its better for your sake that we don't.
BTW looking for a small scale fight does not mean we are farming. I know such fights are very unfamiliar for you. We are simply looking for fights, but if you feel that you are being farmed then stop throwing your self at us.
A few things:
First, you're whining about getting zerged down at a last emp keep. Guess what happens at literally every single emp keep. Sorry Manny but you and your group don't get to be special snowflakes. Emperors will be dethrone and no one will take your group size into account.
Second, Steve was an elite small man player on red while you were with Venatus, getting rekt so hard that your guild lead quit for a year. If your small man group is ineffectual against larger groups, it's probably your fault you don't have more friends. You can always bribe them with kutas or something.
That is all, for now.
Did you actually read the argument? The core argument is that they claim they stack raids in some noble effort to stop lag. I gave an instance where they where completely the causes of the problems. I don't care what they do, but thy cannot sit here and try to play the white knight.
If Steve would like to duel or have a small organized battle I would be all for it, but we know that won't happen without a raid in stealth with 20 meteors.- Mojican1 -
DjSolJAH✭✭✭How does everyone seem to know this guy's name is Steve?
Zee blues are coming!!!! Always.... Always coming...5 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.Vehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
Knights Paravant -- Co-GM and Raid Lead -- AD Greyhost3 -
PosternHouse✭✭✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
I doubt its that much more than 100, at most major keep fights when people claim "entire factions" are stacking in one keep, it usually ends up being in the range of 50-60 players of a faction at most, and thats on a locked campaign. Assuming not everyone is at one keep, I think its fair to say theres another 30-40 random players roaming around the rest of Cyrodiil.
Alot of people tend to exaggerate and say "THERES 200 PEOPLE STACKED IN THAT KEEP!" When that hasn't been the case for months now... this is a really basic way to look at it, but when you think of DC on Azuras for example.. and this is just an example.. a full raid of VE, 30-35 CN, and 20-30 random pugs or some other guild is generally enough to lock the population
Its funny how frequent all of those forces come to one spot.
Start pushing the map and spreading us out, you think we like stacking? lulz
See what happened last night? 3 DC raids, 1 at glade, 1 at ash, 1 at chal. It's amazing how the gameplay changes when players take initiative to attack objectives and not just farm resources with 5 WB and a pocket heal. People that complain about stacking that don't give us more than a single front to fight on can gladly get [snipped]
I still say 175/faction. You can have 3 raids going upper cyro, plus all the Winnies AFKing and King Richards hitting trans lines, plus Imperial City, this would easily add up to 150 minimum.
I remember what happened last time we pushed the objective. You had to stack the entire faction to fight a emp group of 5. Sounds like its better for your sake that we don't.
BTW looking for a small scale fight does not mean we are farming. I know such fights are very unfamiliar for you. We are simply looking for fights, but if you feel that you are being farmed then stop throwing your self at us.
A few things:
First, you're whining about getting zerged down at a last emp keep. Guess what happens at literally every single emp keep. Sorry Manny but you and your group don't get to be special snowflakes. Emperors will be dethrone and no one will take your group size into account.
Second, Steve was an elite small man player on red while you were with Venatus, getting rekt so hard that your guild lead quit for a year. If your small man group is ineffectual against larger groups, it's probably your fault you don't have more friends. You can always bribe them with kutas or something.
That is all, for now.
Did you actually read the argument? The core argument is that they claim they stack raids in some noble effort to stop lag. I gave an instance where they where completely the causes of the problems. I don't care what they do, but thy cannot sit here and try to play the white knight.
If Steve would like to duel or have a small organized battle I would be all for it, but we know that won't happen without a raid in stealth with 20 meteors.
I read the argument. You're not arguing. You're posturing like a vexed Reddit neckbeard. Furthermore, no one needs any reason to depose an opposing faction's emperor other than the fact that they can. Don't like it? Oh well. Don't like the lag? We all put up with it, so oh well. If Steve feels he is doing people a favor by dethroning he is entirely justified to have that opinion.
It also seems you're as humorless as you are filled with vexation about trivial affairs. Not only was that video a joke, it wasn't even featuring Steve at all. Go have a cry in private or something, all you're going to do here is ramble on about nothing in order to save face or shame people that do things you don't like.0 -
PosternHouse✭✭✭✭Steve wrote:I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
LOL he said his emp group was 5 people deep. He mentioned nothing about the other 80 AD in there. It's like these people are totally ignorant to all of their surroundings.0 -
manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
Edited by manny254 on February 25, 2016 9:28PM- Mojican0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
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✭✭✭Only dethrone I remember that was some real BS was Big Ernie. He didn't have a horde, just a decent sized group with medium pug support I couldn't take on with my casual Sunday group. DC stacked up super hard to take BRK, which I initially tried to avoid by going Arrius, but admittedly when the first effort failed at BRK I joined in the faction rally. Was kinda sad, I wish it'd been on a raid night, lag was ok and would have been some good GvG stuff (emp nonwithstanding) cuz lag was ok.
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✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
I think you might be confusing some of these dethrones. Especially considering the 3 time we had it Alessia was the last keep.The first one you described sounds like the last time we had it. That time I made no complaints over it.
The second instance you listed was simply not us. You also made no mention of the first time we had it. This is the particular time I have been referencing.Edited by manny254 on February 25, 2016 10:03PM- Mojican0 -
Roselle✭✭✭✭PosternHouse wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »I honestly think its in the range of 80-100 per faction
It's way more than that based on how azura's na pc operates
I doubt its that much more than 100, at most major keep fights when people claim "entire factions" are stacking in one keep, it usually ends up being in the range of 50-60 players of a faction at most, and thats on a locked campaign. Assuming not everyone is at one keep, I think its fair to say theres another 30-40 random players roaming around the rest of Cyrodiil.
Alot of people tend to exaggerate and say "THERES 200 PEOPLE STACKED IN THAT KEEP!" When that hasn't been the case for months now... this is a really basic way to look at it, but when you think of DC on Azuras for example.. and this is just an example.. a full raid of VE, 30-35 CN, and 20-30 random pugs or some other guild is generally enough to lock the population
Its funny how frequent all of those forces come to one spot.
Start pushing the map and spreading us out, you think we like stacking? lulz
See what happened last night? 3 DC raids, 1 at glade, 1 at ash, 1 at chal. It's amazing how the gameplay changes when players take initiative to attack objectives and not just farm resources with 5 WB and a pocket heal. People that complain about stacking that don't give us more than a single front to fight on can gladly get [snipped]
I still say 175/faction. You can have 3 raids going upper cyro, plus all the Winnies AFKing and King Richards hitting trans lines, plus Imperial City, this would easily add up to 150 minimum.
I remember what happened last time we pushed the objective. You had to stack the entire faction to fight a emp group of 5. Sounds like its better for your sake that we don't.
BTW looking for a small scale fight does not mean we are farming. I know such fights are very unfamiliar for you. We are simply looking for fights, but if you feel that you are being farmed then stop throwing your self at us.
A few things:
First, you're whining about getting zerged down at a last emp keep. Guess what happens at literally every single emp keep. Sorry Manny but you and your group doesn't get to be special snowflakes. Emperors will be dethroned and no one will take your group size into account.
Second, Steve was an elite small man player on red while you were with Venatus, getting rekt so hard that your guild lead quit for a year. If your small man group is ineffectual against larger groups, it's probably your fault you don't have more friends. You can always bribe them with kutas or something.
That is all, for now.
Most of the Venatus officers were Australian and gave up because of their Oceanic ping coupled with the poor PVP performance regardless of location.
I don't really see the point of all these jabs at each other and/or at said guilds. The game has and will probably always suffer from group/faction imbalances because of the uninstanced/open field-like environment being the only option for any PVP. With that said, I'm sure we're all pretty much aware that gets congested to only one campaign and sometimes very specific spots on said campaign.
Why don't we all just continue to try and figure out the population cap and hope for PVP arenas sometime soon?This one was rekt by Zenimax0 -
Satiar✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
I think you might be confusing some of these dethrones. Especially considering the 3 time we had it Alessia was the last keep.The first one you described sounds like the last time we had it. That time I made no complaints over it.
The second instance you listed was simply not us. You also made no mention of the first time we had it. This is the particular time I have been referencing.
I don't think I'm Confused on it.Alessia is last keep but last few times we've ended up fighting your main faction force at Roe while EP took Alessia shortly after. I specifically kept you at Roe to ensure by the time we took it reinforcing Alessia wouldn't be possible.
The main thrust of this is that people play to the content presented and I'm no different. We've pulled off dethroned be Haxus and GoS that took us 10+ wipes and 4-5 hours to do. But it was merely hard, not impossible, so we kept at it until we got it. When you stack up enough people that I can't even use my abilities, at a certain point I'll throw up my hands and join the faction rally because those are the win conditions you have set for me.
You don't get to create a situation where the lag and numbers in play make it impossible for a single group to do anything without getting lagged out and swarmed and ALSO call us toxic for doing what we need to do to end the nonsense and try to have a fun Pvp nightVehemence -- Commander and Raid Lead -- Tri-faction PvP
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manny254✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Man, you know someone's salty when the thread is about population caps and they immediately start whining about my guild.
Pop caps must be 150-250. We ended up at a count between 100 and 120 AD at BBQs dethrone, so assuming pugs here and there and in IC, that seems somewhat right to me.
Go back and look no one was whining. He threw a jab at me.
Your one to talk about whining steve. I hear you are super excited for the upcoming changes to the game.
Go back and read it yourself, your first contribution to this thread is whining about group stacking. Completely off topic but what can ya do?
And yes, I'll differentiate randomly whining about guilds from exasperation at yet another lazy and ill conceived patch.
I expressed that I am saddened by the entire DC faction stacking. Does this not make you sad? Do you enjoy the lag and devolved gameplay associated with it? Is that fun for you?
Do you find it insulting for someone to point out you stack with CN? If you find it insulting then why do you do it? If you don't want to be called out for doing something then don't do it.
I am also saddened with you over the coming changes. Shame on zos for wanting you to do something other than spam ambush and rapids.
I find it hilarious that you'll stack up 80+ inside an emp keep and yet still find it within yourself to moan about other people stacking up to take it from you. I just play to the content mate. Last time your guy got dethroned I pushed 3-4 times with less than 20 people and ended up run over by 2-3 times my number. You seemed pretty chill about that, how was I to know you'd get super salty when you got hit by anything close to resembling even numbers?
I also find it hilarious you talking about spamming skills when you abuse the hell out of purify and jabs, unless there's a different I'm missing that makes your rotation super super hard to do
It is nice to see you trying to be relevant on the map again tho. Usually I just see you roaming around with your group running a single target train on pugs with 5 or so people at a time. Dat crit charge spam! Welcome back to the AD Zerg, I'm sure they missed you.
You are on something if you're going to try and tell me I stack 80 people In a keep. There whet literally about 20 Ad last time we had it and got over run by The EP horde.
I would link some videos of what actually happens when we play, but I am on my phone.
The last two dethrones I did against your group went as follows:
First one I hit Roe once with about 15 people, got ran over by a sheeeeton of AD. Went to Alessia next, wasn't as many but about 30+ emp I died again. Tried again same result. Ended up going back to Roe and got inside, and your faction got split up between Alessia and Roe, so your group plus about 20 at Roe that got wiped out by mine + a CN group that showed and we purposely held off taking the keep until EP flagged Alessia and Fare. Fairly tame dethrone. Nothing to cry about. Pretty bad lag until it ended.
Second one you legit had 80+ stacked inside Roe. I tagged 90+ but guards so I'll be generous. A red Invictus group pushed in for some reason and had similar tags. The lag was server stopping with only about 30 DC there. So the faction got rallied, brought similar numbers and deposed. Again, nothing to cry about. Server was playable again.
Your behavior through these events was rough tho. People tend to take screenshots of your rants in NaC when you get going. There's some real shortsightedness in play when you literally have 80 people in a keep but you're in NaC calling my guild toxic for stacking. That's some nonsense right there mate.
I think you might be confusing some of these dethrones. Especially considering the 3 time we had it Alessia was the last keep.The first one you described sounds like the last time we had it. That time I made no complaints over it.
The second instance you listed was simply not us. You also made no mention of the first time we had it. This is the particular time I have been referencing.
I don't think I'm Confused on it.Alessia is last keep but last few times we've ended up fighting your main faction force at Roe while EP took Alessia shortly after. I specifically kept you at Roe to ensure by the time we took it reinforcing Alessia wouldn't be possible.
The main thrust of this is that people play to the content presented and I'm no different. We've pulled off dethroned be Haxus and GoS that took us 10+ wipes and 4-5 hours to do. But it was merely hard, not impossible, so we kept at it until we got it. When you stack up enough people that I can't even use my abilities, at a certain point I'll throw up my hands and join the faction rally because those are the win conditions you have set for me.
You don't get to create a situation where the lag and numbers in play make it impossible for a single group to do anything without getting lagged out and swarmed and ALSO call us toxic for doing what we need to do to end the nonsense and try to have a fun Pvp night
To be clear you do understand that the killa beez guy is not associated with me at all?
You still continue to ignore the instance I was referencing. Where once again there was no lag until you stacked with the entire DC faction.- Mojican0 -
PosternHouse✭✭✭✭Doesn't matter if he's not associated with you. When he's all up in your last emp keep with lots of people, we quickly forget, "Oh the emp group is small."
Why don't you go on and call RAGE, Victorem, and M12 "toxic" while you're at it too since they've all stacked with this group or that group, whether accidentally or purposefully, at one point or another.Edited by PosternHouse on February 25, 2016 10:50PM1
