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Yes, I said powerful. I'll have to do a build video later when I'm done with him.1 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....NA PC | AD
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....
My Nightblade is more than fine. Trust me your Nightblade wouldn't do 7 -9k against me.0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....
My Nightblade is more than fine. Trust me your Nightblade wouldn't do 7 -9k against me.
If true, would explain why yours hits like a wet noddle and has no "big hitting abilities"NA PC | AD
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....
My Nightblade is more than fine. Trust me your Nightblade wouldn't do 7 -9k against me.
If true, would explain why yours hits like a wet noddle and has no "big hitting abilities"
Something wrong with your eyesight? Those are OP's words, not mine.0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....
My Nightblade is more than fine. Trust me your Nightblade wouldn't do 7 -9k against me.
If true, would explain why yours hits like a wet noddle and has no "big hitting abilities"
Something wrong with your eyesight? Those are OP's words, not mine.
Well, you did compare it to DK's whip, which currently hits like a wet noodle......NA PC | AD
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Johngo0036✭✭✭✭✭The FASTEST killing NB's in this game DON'T use weapon skills to deliver the damage....... FACT!!!
Wrecking blow takes too long to windup.
Buffup with Relentless focus,
Rally,
Camo hunter,
Wham Bam Thank you ma'am!!!
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✭✭✭✭strikeback1247 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.
ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding
without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun
If only a stam Nb could use their magica for another cc. One that CCed 4 people, snared them all and inflicted them with minor maim. If only.Edited by Brrrofski on February 22, 2016 11:27AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭strikeback1247 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.
ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding
without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun
If only a stam Nb could use their magica for another cc. One that CCed 4 people, snared them all and inflicted them with minor main. If only.
That sounds like a bad idea man. The imaginary CC you describe sounds too OP0 -
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✭Been a Stamina Nightblade since PC launch, long before it was the FOTM. I've tried every combination of two handed and Nightblade abilities and would never use Wrecking Blow over Surprise Attack. I get two surprise attacks weaved with light or medium attacks on a target for every one Wrecking blow.
If you want to maintain empower, just Ambush then Surprise attack, then Ambush then surprise attack....that always works great when they run.Edited by Elijah_Crow on February 22, 2016 8:57AM0 -
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THIS.. is trueStrider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.
Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k.
1# wreck blow is on pvp mode with buffs and I hitting it depending on what player I meet I hitting oon this WB from minimum(empowered) 16k hits up to 18k
2# wreck blow i on pve, do not bother
like 1# Surprise attack
2# Surprise attack is on pvp mode with buffs...and also depending on what player I meet I hitting with this skill for around 7-9k and sometimes for 10-12k i this players is very bad, chave no or bad spent CP or with empower/death stroke ulti debuff on normal player
and btw like SA with death stroke debuff on someone...then my WB will hitting up to 20k then, with good winds
EDIT: its with sets, build on max possible damage what is very good working for assasination ;P
very high burst (main advantage on stam builds agains magica builds *cough* except sorc *cough*
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so very high burst but no set bonuses to more survivability and not much skills to this...its with build for max burst to kill someone, not for long fights.Edited by Edziu on February 22, 2016 9:13AM1 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....
equip a 2h compare SA to WB tooltip and you will allways regardless of your equip face a difference of 32% in favor of WB...Edited by Tankqull on February 22, 2016 11:22AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
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Fix ya NB man, my Surpise attacks do 7 - 9K in PVP and are extremely spamable. Open with WB finish with SA, fight won't last more than the WB cast time....
My Nightblade is more than fine. Trust me your Nightblade wouldn't do 7 -9k against me.
If true, would explain why yours hits like a wet noddle and has no "big hitting abilities"
Something wrong with your eyesight? Those are OP's words, not mine.
Well, you did compare it to DK's whip, which currently hits like a wet noodle......
Flame Lash actually has higher potential damage than Surprise Attack.0 -
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✭✭✭The reason why you say it hits like a "wet noodle" is due the fact that light armor wearers will have much higher resistance to an elemental damage like flame lash verses something like surprise attack. There's also no CP passive currently to reduce physical damage, but there is one for elemental.0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.
Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.
And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.
2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.
and?
MA+SA+MA+SA VS WB+MA+WB+MA
the only difference is the way of weaving its the same timeframe for both attack rows with WB still doing 30+% more dmg than SA per application as empowering >>> than the armor debuff...
Edited by Tankqull on February 22, 2016 12:12PMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.
Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.
And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.
2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.
and?
MA+SA+MA+SA VS WB+MA+WB+MA
the only difference is the way of weaving its the same timeframe for both attack rows with WB still doing 30+% more dmg than SA per application as empowering >>> than the armor debuff...
To be fair, I'm a nightmare to go against if you use wrecking blow. However most people aren't very talented at PvP. Which is why you see people crying about dark cloak and wrecking blow all of the time.0 -
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.
There's no pretending about it. It hits a little harder than low slash. You act like it's a hard hitter because it applies a debuff on your opponent and a buff on yourself. This is completely independent of how hard this ability hits for. Like I said, it does medium damage. What makes this ability good is it's utility and the fact that it's an instant cast.
Your comparing Sa to a timed ability.
Sa is instant and with a weave you can use 2x before a wb hits...
The fact it's a nb skill with the synergy to a nb's passives means it's even more effective.
Well if that's the case, then surprise attack has nothing on crystal frags. Let's see, does almost twice as much damage, it's a CC, has a 28 meter range, can be an instant cast, and it heals the caster due to the blood magic passive. But wait, there's more. The Templar's jabs does additional free damage with the burning light passive passive, and the Dragonknight procs the warmth passive; snaring their opponent every time they use their whip. You know who I hear whine the most on the forums? People that have played only one class and like to cry other class abilities; calling them OP without actually playing them. I have personally as every class, and the only thing that could be considered OP about Nightblades is their mass hysteria. For Templars it's their insane healing, for Dragonknights it's their survivability; especially if you consider corrosive armor, for sorcs it's their damage output combined with their insane survivability; making them in my opinion the most OP class in the game. The Nightblade is probably the most balanced.
...what it has on frags is the fact that Frags is not an instcast skill and cannot be spammed?o.O Sure you can get Frags off several times in several seconds if you're lucky but you might as well go on for 20 seconds without it procing once. You can't spam Frags. Well you can hardcast them but well.
I'm a magicka build so my spellresist is higher than physical one but still...on average I get hit by harder SA than Frags. Add to it the part where you can super easily dodge or reflect Frags, plus how easy it is(admittedly not so much inside a zerg but then nothing is easy to see in a zerg) to see it coming(even with the instacast proc, 1v1 you'll hardly ever miss the glowing hands part and big purple thing sloooowly flying at you) while SA in my experience cannot even be dodged(at least I very consistently die from SA right in the middle of a dodgeroll) and is instacast... ...why are you complaining?o.o0 -
joshisanonymous✭✭✭✭In case no one has said it, I think you have to look at the big picture instead of just a single ability. NBs hit hard because their passives and abilities work together to boost your damage beyond what you'd do by spamming Wrecking Blow as any other class. Look through the NB passives, see what "boosts your next attack," things like that, then look at the side effects of your active abilities for similar "boosts your next attack" stuff. There are combos that you can pull off almost instantly that are extremely heavy hitting.0 -
LizardThixvim✭✭✭all nb need, is cloak, fear and spamming Surprise attack/Concealed weapon, or become a mindless idiot and spam WB all your lifeEdited by LizardThixvim on February 22, 2016 2:15PM0 -
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✭If I meet a NB who uses wrecking blow instead of SA, I laugh. Free kill.Edited by Jhunn on February 22, 2016 2:42PMGave up.1 -
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✭Surprise Attack is the main repeatable of a Stamina NB. It's the stamina morph of Veiled Strike. It debuffs the target to physical damage, and with passives increases your health when slotted, along with buffing both your physical and spell resistance. You'll get the most out of it when weaving light or medium attacks.
Endgame PVE I use 4 NB skills most often. Surprise Attack, Killer's Blade, Siphoning Attacks, and Relentless Focus. Honorable mentions to Ambush and Reaper's Mark for a few fights. The rest are from other skill lines. That's pretty much the way with most Stamina builds. The majority of your skills will come from other lines.0 -
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.
There's no pretending about it. It hits a little harder than low slash. You act like it's a hard hitter because it applies a debuff on your opponent and a buff on yourself. This is completely independent of how hard this ability hits for. Like I said, it does medium damage. What makes this ability good is it's utility and the fact that it's an instant cast.
Your comparing Sa to a timed ability.
Sa is instant and with a weave you can use 2x before a wb hits...
The fact it's a nb skill with the synergy to a nb's passives means it's even more effective.
Well if that's the case, then surprise attack has nothing on crystal frags. Let's see, does almost twice as much damage, it's a CC, has a 28 meter range, can be an instant cast, and it heals the caster due to the blood magic passive. But wait, there's more. The Templar's jabs does additional free damage with the burning light passive passive, and the Dragonknight procs the warmth passive; snaring their opponent every time they use their whip. You know who I hear whine the most on the forums? People that have played only one class and like to cry other class abilities; calling them OP without actually playing them. I have personally as every class, and the only thing that could be considered OP about Nightblades is their mass hysteria. For Templars it's their insane healing, for Dragonknights it's their survivability; especially if you consider corrosive armor, for sorcs it's their damage output combined with their insane survivability; making them in my opinion the most OP class in the game. The Nightblade is probably the most balanced.
...what it has on frags is the fact that Frags is not an instcast skill and cannot be spammed?o.O Sure you can get Frags off several times in several seconds if you're lucky but you might as well go on for 20 seconds without it procing once. You can't spam Frags. Well you can hardcast them but well.
I'm a magicka build so my spellresist is higher than physical one but still...on average I get hit by harder SA than Frags. Add to it the part where you can super easily dodge or reflect Frags, plus how easy it is(admittedly not so much inside a zerg but then nothing is easy to see in a zerg) to see it coming(even with the instacast proc, 1v1 you'll hardly ever miss the glowing hands part and big purple thing sloooowly flying at you) while SA in my experience cannot even be dodged(at least I very consistently die from SA right in the middle of a dodgeroll) and is instacast... ...why are you complaining?o.o
I really need to emphasize this point: I'm not complaining. I do not think Surprise Attack is weak, and I think it's a fantastic ability! Now when I'm playing on my Stamblade, I have equal amounts of physical and spell resistance; I also have an equal distribution between hardy and elemental defender (17.5% resistance from both). There is no CP passive against physical yet, and with that said they hardest abilities I get hit by are Overload and Crystal frags. People that have between 5 to 6k weapon damage with a crit rating of 70+% can usually hit me with a Surprise Attack doing around 4,500 damage. Now people are going to start yelling BS so I'll explain my character. Fully buffed my spell and physical resistance is around 19k (slightly less), I wear all gold impenetrable gear, and I'm a Nord. With that said, the hardest I've been hit in the game are the following:
Overload: 11k
Wrecking Blow: 9k
Crystal Frags: 7.5k
Now I have a magicka sorc, and frags procs very frequently, and you have other moves you can weave in the mean time (curse, crushing shock, ward, bolt escape, mines, etc) so it's a dependable instant cast, but not a spammable instant cast like Surprise Attack is. Oh and yes you can dodge SA, I do it often. I should also mention that if you're spamming frags, and your opponent keeps dodge rolling them; just keep spamming. They'll run out of stamina before you run out of magicka ;-)1 -
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✭✭✭Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »all nb need, is cloak, fear and spamming Surprise attack/Concealed weapon, or become a mindless idiot and spam WB all your life
I stopped using cloak after I read the PTS patch notes for thieves guild. Don't even miss it. It was the most unreliable move in the game anyways, I only used it for the purge.Edited by Strider_Roshin on February 22, 2016 4:50PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.
Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.
And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.
2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.
and?
MA+SA+MA+SA VS WB+MA+WB+MA
the only difference is the way of weaving its the same timeframe for both attack rows with WB still doing 30+% more dmg than SA per application as empowering >>> than the armor debuff...
It's MA+SA+MA+SA vs WB+MA.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
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nope:leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.
Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.
And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.
2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.
and?
MA+SA+MA+SA VS WB+MA+WB+MA
the only difference is the way of weaving its the same timeframe for both attack rows with WB still doing 30+% more dmg than SA per application as empowering >>> than the armor debuff...
It's MA+SA+MA+SA vs WB+MA.
Ma ~1sec
(Ma+SA)~1sec+instant no CT(but ~0.8sec of lockout timer same duration as WBs casting time)
WB~1sec
(WB+Ma) ~1sec+ MA weaved into the animation = no effective ct on MA => still ~1sec of overall CT...
so your example is ~1sec + ~1sec VS ~1sec + nothing... that is not a fair comparison...
so (MA+SA)+(MA+SA) VS (WB+MA)+(WB+MA) with roughly 2sec of CT for both.
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Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"0 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.
Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.
And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.
2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.
and?
MA+SA+MA+SA VS WB+MA+WB+MA
the only difference is the way of weaving its the same timeframe for both attack rows with WB still doing 30+% more dmg than SA per application as empowering >>> than the armor debuff...
It's MA+SA+MA+SA vs WB+MA.
This is correct. I don't even see the animation for the medium attack. It's literally 4 attacks in about 3 seconds vs WB with no other attacks weaved.
Any Nightblade using WB just does not know how to play.1 -
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »Two words: Surprise attack
Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.
true, but wrecking blow is a lot easier to miss with, and costs more. SA is faster, more sustainable, and harder to dodge.0
