No BIG NB damage ability

Dumac

Having a VR sorc I think of crystal as my heavy hitter and magicka Templars have spears ... But on my nightblade (2h and bow) I feel like most of my bars are taken up by weapon skills rather than class abilities, because I don't feel they do as much damage. I'm doing okay damage solo levelling though V ranks but I sometimes feel as though there is no point in my character being an NB if all I'm using is weapon skills. Is it just me? Is there some ability or morph you feel is a great damage dealer for a stamina nightblade?

NativeJoe

Not a nightblade...but the passives from nightblades seem pretty crazy. My guild leader can 1 shot a 111k hp daedroth in less then a second in imperial city...and he's stamina so it seems like there are definetly some answers out there.

strikeback1247

Two words: Surprise attack

leepalmer95

Sa is > 2h skill line.

Nb's are the only class that can go stamina and not need any weapon skills.

Strider_Roshin

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

Waffennacht

NBs have some of the fastest abilities in game, the tool tips may not say high numbers but the strongest hits I've ever received came from NBs.

EisregenX90

But you can spam 3 SA in the same time as 1 WB ...
your heavy hitter as NB is the assassin prc from grim focus wich is magic based like most class skills

Ahzek

Surprise attack is not a frag and it is not a wrecking blow. But it is still the strongest off the 3. The (de)buffs it brings, as well as the exceptional ease to use (with weaving) make it the best PvP damage ability in the game (concealed is almost as good).
As a heavy hitter NBs have soul harvest, which is readily available and creates windows of even more damage through other skills + healing reduction.

leepalmer95

Merciless resolve is also a heavy hitting for mag nb's.

But yeah a soul harvest (20% extra dmg for 6s) also increases the dmg.

But i can weave Sa with a Medium attack twice in the same time i can get a wb off. Sa is by far better, plus you get the armour defbuff.

strikeback1247

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

Edziu

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

strikeback1247

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

I never said it's a great way of CC'ing someone, I just said it has a stun and it does But who needs a stun anyway when you have fear amirite?

Also, I think only a dual wield heavy attack from stealth is better than SA from stealth.

Edziu

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

I never said it's a great way of CC'ing someone, I just said it has a stun and it does But who needs a stun anyway when you have fear amirite?

Also, I think only a dual wield heavy attack from stealth is better than SA from stealth.

hehe, so ok, but to this heavy attacks no only from dual :P

from 2h also is very good with passive to boos next attack by 10% is also very good :>

last time when I used 2h sword instead of dual...from hide, full heavy attack for 13k with cut animation and SA attacks for 12k then, just 1hit combo

strikeback1247

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

I never said it's a great way of CC'ing someone, I just said it has a stun and it does But who needs a stun anyway when you have fear amirite?

Also, I think only a dual wield heavy attack from stealth is better than SA from stealth.

hehe, so ok, but to this heavy attacks no only from dual :P

from 2h also is very good with passive to boos next attack by 10% is also very good :>

last time when I used 2h sword instead of dual...from hide, full heavy attack for 13k with cut animation and SA attacks for 12k then, just 1hit combo

Heavy attack + animation cancelled SA is the best. Khajiit + NB + dual wield heavy attack + camo hunter proc(s) = the most exploitable oneshot mechanic ever! Oneshotting vamps all day long!

Edziu

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

I never said it's a great way of CC'ing someone, I just said it has a stun and it does But who needs a stun anyway when you have fear amirite?

Also, I think only a dual wield heavy attack from stealth is better than SA from stealth.

hehe, so ok, but to this heavy attacks no only from dual :P

from 2h also is very good with passive to boos next attack by 10% is also very good :>

last time when I used 2h sword instead of dual...from hide, full heavy attack for 13k with cut animation and SA attacks for 12k then, just 1hit combo

Heavy attack + animation cancelled SA is the best. Khajiit + NB + dual wield heavy attack + camo hunter proc(s) = the most exploitable oneshot mechanic ever! Oneshotting vamps all day long!

thanks for me, dont use camo hunter on pvp, just no free slots for me I can good ganging on people without it and have some more survivability withour build on rolldodge spam monkey

leepalmer95

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

I never said it's a great way of CC'ing someone, I just said it has a stun and it does But who needs a stun anyway when you have fear amirite?

Also, I think only a dual wield heavy attack from stealth is better than SA from stealth.

hehe, so ok, but to this heavy attacks no only from dual :P

from 2h also is very good with passive to boos next attack by 10% is also very good :>

last time when I used 2h sword instead of dual...from hide, full heavy attack for 13k with cut animation and SA attacks for 12k then, just 1hit combo

Heavy attack + animation cancelled SA is the best. Khajiit + NB + dual wield heavy attack + camo hunter proc(s) = the most exploitable oneshot mechanic ever! Oneshotting vamps all day long!

thanks for me, dont use camo hunter on pvp, just no free slots for me I can good ganging on people without it and have some more survivability withour build on rolldodge spam monkey

You don't need to gank someone to stun with Sa, using it out of cloak also does the same thing, it's a good way to turn the fight, cloak then medium/Sa weave. Big dmg + a stun.

Tankqull

EisregenX90 wrote: »

But you can spam 3 SA in the same time as 1 WB ...
your heavy hitter as NB is the assassin prc from grim focus wich is magic based like most class skills

nope you cant, one SA has the same lockout time as it takes to "cast" one WB.

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

ehh...next who dont know how to read with understanding



without hide(so ganging) you have no stuns, on stamina build its so hard to use cloak only for this stun with keeping sobe buffs etc, you have enought magica with magica regen only on magica build to spam cloak only for this stun

I never said it's a great way of CC'ing someone, I just said it has a stun and it does But who needs a stun anyway when you have fear amirite?

Also, I think only a dual wield heavy attack from stealth is better than SA from stealth.

every HA even from S&B does more dmg than SA.

Waffennacht

Former Emperor of gankdom (whom Im proud to say died under my blade after slaying those poor low levels)

Really likes magicka NB.

That insta form of Magicka det + cloak + spambush + fear + doing it over and over = a hella difficult enemy. Stupid det actually hit me for 25k after all mitigation.

Strider_Roshin

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

There's no pretending about it. It hits a little harder than low slash. You act like it's a hard hitter because it applies a debuff on your opponent and a buff on yourself. This is completely independent of how hard this ability hits for. Like I said, it does medium damage. What makes this ability good is it's utility and the fact that it's an instant cast.

Zaldan

Dumac wrote: »

Having a VR sorc I think of crystal as my heavy hitter and magicka Templars have spears ... But on my nightblade (2h and bow) I feel like most of my bars are taken up by weapon skills rather than class abilities, because I don't feel they do as much damage. I'm doing okay damage solo levelling though V ranks but I sometimes feel as though there is no point in my character being an NB if all I'm using is weapon skills. Is it just me? Is there some ability or morph you feel is a great damage dealer for a stamina nightblade?

just you.

leepalmer95

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

There's no pretending about it. It hits a little harder than low slash. You act like it's a hard hitter because it applies a debuff on your opponent and a buff on yourself. This is completely independent of how hard this ability hits for. Like I said, it does medium damage. What makes this ability good is it's utility and the fact that it's an instant cast.

Your comparing Sa to a timed ability.

Sa is instant and with a weave you can use 2x before a wb hits...

The fact it's a nb skill with the synergy to a nb's passives means it's even more effective.

Strider_Roshin

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

SA is one of, if not the best single target stamina ability in the game. It's instant cast, has high damage, an armor debuff, a stun AND it procs the resistance buff passive. Let's not pretend this is a "medium strength attack". Any other stamina class would die for such a strong ability. The only reason WB may be better than SA is because of burst in PvP, but SA is way faster. I much rather run SA than WB.

There's no pretending about it. It hits a little harder than low slash. You act like it's a hard hitter because it applies a debuff on your opponent and a buff on yourself. This is completely independent of how hard this ability hits for. Like I said, it does medium damage. What makes this ability good is it's utility and the fact that it's an instant cast.

Your comparing Sa to a timed ability.

Sa is instant and with a weave you can use 2x before a wb hits...

The fact it's a nb skill with the synergy to a nb's passives means it's even more effective.

Well if that's the case, then surprise attack has nothing on crystal frags. Let's see, does almost twice as much damage, it's a CC, has a 28 meter range, can be an instant cast, and it heals the caster due to the blood magic passive. But wait, there's more. The Templar's jabs does additional free damage with the burning light passive passive, and the Dragonknight procs the warmth passive; snaring their opponent every time they use their whip. You know who I hear whine the most on the forums? People that have played only one class and like to cry other class abilities; calling them OP without actually playing them. I have personally as every class, and the only thing that could be considered OP about Nightblades is their mass hysteria. For Templars it's their insane healing, for Dragonknights it's their survivability; especially if you consider corrosive armor, for sorcs it's their damage output combined with their insane survivability; making them in my opinion the most OP class in the game. The Nightblade is probably the most balanced.

FriedEggSandwich

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.

Strider_Roshin

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.

Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.

acw37162

SA is hands down better then WB.

leepalmer95

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.

Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.

And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.

2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

you got it all wrong. you compare surprise light surprise to wb becuase its instant.
a surprise attack rotation should always do more damage if everything lands

Strider_Roshin

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Two words: Surprise attack

Surprise Attack does 68% of the damage an un-empowered Wrecking Blow does. I'm not complaining about the ability, but let's not pretend that it's a "heavy hitter" like wrecking blow or crystal frags. It's on par with flame whip, and I would consider it a medium strength attack.

I've been hit by a 13k surprise attack wearing 2 pieces of heavy armour. My frags tooltip is only 12k, meaning 6k in pvp. Yes I know it will hit for more than 6k in reality but I've still never hit anyone for more than 10k. Not trying to say surprise attack is op or anything, just a heavy hitter.

Okay when my tool tip says 10k for surprise attack, my Wrecking Blow says around 16k. With comparable stats, the tool tip for my sorcs crystal frags says 18k. Can it hit hard? Yes, but the same guy that did 10k to you with SA would've done 16k to you with wrecking blow (at least). However comparatively, crystal frags hits harder than both of them. Biting jabs hits harder than surprise attack, but not as hard as wrecking blow. Whip does similar damage to surprise attack.

And again yes someone can hit me with a 16k Wb, but i could hit them with 2x Sa + Medium weaves in the same time.

2x 10k SA = 2x medium weaves.

And the same thing can be said about low slash. Do you consider low slash be a hard hitter as well?

Jaronking

As a stamblade your main DPS ability is Surprised attack and one if the hardest hitting Stamina abilities in the game.Its hit really hard and as other mentioned you can get 2 SA weaved by the time someone lands 1 WB against you.

Personally When I see a stamblade using WB in PVP it just shows their a bad player.WB is easier to counter if you know what your doing. if your only fighting PVErs than yes its good but even a decent PVPer would wreck you using WB.

Alucardo

Ever tried Stam sorc bro? It's like a Nightblade without the funky utilities, surprise attack and stealth.

Waffennacht

Im confused by the continuation of this thread.

Even if NBs tool tip attacks are lower than let's just say every ability in game (for simplicity sake) does that change the FACT that NBs are one of the best, if not the best, class in PvP?

All argument aside, essentially this thread is asking for a a NB buff, which before PTS, is absolutely absurd. No one can say NBs need a buff before Templar and/or DK.

So, all tooltip and math a side, NB does not NEED a move to hit as hard as WB or CF.