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the cloak nerf going hurt stam nb
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I actually like the night blade class especially stamina and imma still try to level the one I got now0 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭I still don't even see how cloak is getting a nerf. It's a change, not a nerf. You now take a % less damage straight up. Stack that with shades and the passive just for using cloak and you're talking about a pretty tanky build. Add s/b and impen and you're now tankier than a DK. Quit whining that the most OP class in the game is getting changed. If you die to dots in this burst meta then honestly you need to learn to play. The only dot that you should be worried about is siege.Edited by dlepi24 on February 15, 2016 11:48PM0 -
revonine✭✭✭✭I still don't even see how cloak is getting a nerf. It's a change, not a nerf. You now take a % less damage straight up. Stack that with shades and the passive just for using cloak and you're talking about a pretty tanky build. Add s/b and impen and you're now tankier than a DK. Quit whining that the most OP class in the game is getting changed. If you die to dots in this burst meta then honestly you need to learn to play. The only dot that you should be worried about is siege.
Also Shadowy Disguise technically got a buff as it inherits the base changes to Dark Cloak. They will be alot of NB's switching to this morph as it's suddenly more attractive for bursting from stealth.0 -
kenjitamura✭✭"Class balancing" is the cancer killing MMO's. It sucks up all the developers time and resources which keeps them away from working on actual content and always pisses off a large portion of players that often times picked that class to play around a style no-longer viable.
I can't wait for all MMO's to be entirely skill based with no more class systems so the developers can just tell all the players "If you really think it's so OP and consider that more important a factor than playing in a way that's fun for you then just start using that build!"0 -
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✭I still don't even see how cloak is getting a nerf. It's a change, not a nerf. You now take a % less damage straight up. Stack that with shades and the passive just for using cloak and you're talking about a pretty tanky build. Add s/b and impen and you're now tankier than a DK. Quit whining that the most OP class in the game is getting changed. If you die to dots in this burst meta then honestly you need to learn to play. The only dot that you should be worried about is siege.
[snip] Not everyone spams wrecking blow. I know it is hard being new, and not understand that a play style for stam is getting nerfed down, and now stamblades will become like every one else wrecking blow #skill fun. Nah SA did not need Cloak at all! ML does not break a build at all.
How about this. Give players a move that can break all wards just by being around a player with a buff. Lets see how you sorcs like that.
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✭[snip] The fact that the person calling NB most OP class, is laughable at best. I am not saying they are weak. I am saying is that a fun play style is getting nerfed, in a game that has so many worthless skills. All for what? What reason? Balance? Lmao...Lets have a buff that removes all wards. That is pretty much the same thing. You are taking away a core defense of a class that has a play style depending on it.
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Masuimi✭✭✭[snip]The fact that the person calling NB most OP class, is laughable at best. I am not saying they are weak. I am saying is that a fun play style is getting nerfed, in a game that has so many worthless skills. All for what? What reason? Balance? Lmao...Lets have a buff that removes all wards. That is pretty much the same thing. You are taking away a core defense of a class that has a play style depending on it.
That is not even close to the same thing, and you know it. [snip]
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That is not even close to the same thing, and you know it. [snip]
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Ward is for defense.
Cloaking is for defense.
Wards make you into a god tank.
Cloaking lets you get away or setup for more damage. Stam nightblades have a very short limit, and well timed ones can be life or death.
It is the same in my eyes. If you make a core part of the class harder to do, and already super squishy with limited ways to protect itself. You deserve the same thing happen. I guess I will just settle for a cast time on them, but still. If we had a skill that made your wards go off. You would [snip]not be happy. [snip]
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Masuimi✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
That is not even close to the same thing, and you know it. [snip]
[snip]
Ward is for defense.
Cloaking is for defense.
Wards make you into a god tank.
Cloaking lets you get away or setup for more damage. Stam nightblades have a very short limit, and well timed ones can be life or death.
It is the same in my eyes. If you make a core part of the class harder to do, and already super squishy with limited ways to protect itself. You deserve the same thing happen. I guess I will just settle for a cast time on them, but still. If we had a skill that made your wards go off. You would [snip]not be happy[snip].
Cloak is not even nerfed. A counter got introduced to it. Sorry that EZ mode is over for you. Do you know why 75% of the population played nightblade after the last DLC? I'll give you a hint.. it had to do with ez mode. There are some good players out there that use cloak a lot, but plenty of NBs are GOOD even without using cloak. Try to find a sorc that's good without ward.. its just not possible to play that way.
Also NBs wear medium armor, sorcs wear light.
I love how its the same people that say "Don't nerf my class, nerfing is bad, just balance the others" are the same ones making threads trying to nerf other classes. Don't give me your [snip]
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Cloak is not even nerfed. A counter got introduced to it. Sorry that EZ mode is over for you. Do you know why 75% of the population played nightblade after the last DLC? I'll give you a hint.. it had to do with ez mode. There are some good players out there that use cloak a lot, but plenty of NBs are GOOD even without using cloak. Try to find a sorc that's good without ward.. its just not possible to play that way.
Also NBs wear medium armor, sorcs wear light.
I love how its the same people that say "Don't nerf my class, nerfing is bad, just balance the others" are the same ones making threads trying to nerf other classes. Don't give me your [snip].
[snip]
Cloak did get nerfed for Stam NB. We have a limited magic pool, and had to make choices when to use it for offense or defense. The fact that it removed dots helped us live longer. WE ARE SQUISHY. We have no Wards. We have no powerful skills that counter it. The only counter we had was CLOAK. It was a class skill. It also took SKILL. Yes SKILL to manage. I know being a sorc and the word "Skill" burns in your ear. It takes skill to play a good NB using SA, and cloak. You have to make choices, and you have to manage a resource.
Also it is LAUGHABLE that you even mention armor. You want to know why we want your class nerfed? Because asking for buffs, or decent changes to a class does not work. If we are going to get a nerf to a playstyle, Nerfing Sorcs will be next. This dev team only knows how to nerf, so that is why we are giving the feedback that they only know how to do.
When you get that cast time on your wards. Just know I will have a huge grin on my face.
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✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
agree.
Cloak is how you live as a NB Stam. We better get some key buffs if we can't get away from targets.
Lmao. This dude just asked for stam NB's to get a buff.
Are you dumb? I want buffs to skills that are bad. (leeching blades.) and self heals.
Also to the guy who says pick your target better. Have you seen the PVP? 8 out of 10 targets are magic FOTM Sorcs. With mage light changes that is going to be fun.
Truth is IF NB will have trouble getting away from targets. They need to have skills that make them less squishy. If you don't agree with me. You are wrong and should feel bad.
No. This is how I know you're new to PvP and have no reason to speak about it. 8 out of 10 players are running FOTM stamina nightblade builds like yourself because they saw Sypher do it. If you weren't, then you wouldn't be crying because you got slightly nerfed. It's not even a nerf. Just a change. Clearly a L2P issue. The fact that your class can now throw on shades, cloak for the damage mitigation and impen and not take any damage is insane. But you wouldn't know about that because Sypher hasn't come out with a video about it, yet. You clearly don't know how to build a decent stamina nightblade if you're feeling squishy. Here's a tip - stop trying to get your damage as high as possible and realize that there are other areas in your build that need work if you're feeling squishy. Get bloodspawn, use shades, use impen, use s/b, etc. Do you need me to make a build for you? Stop asking for buffs as a stamina nightblade you make our class look dumb.
Lmao You are new to the game. I will forgive you. Shield stacking FOTM sorc I bet. I don't need to read your comments anymore. I am right, you are wrong. Lets move on.
Been here for 3 years, now. Let me guess...you play on console? Lmao, saying nightblades need a buff. You're clearly new to this game. They already have everything they need and then more. Get out of the bush and take snipe off your bar.
You've been here for 3 years?
Cos the game only came out on April 4, 2014.
I know it sounds crazy, but there were CBT's before the game officially launched.
I was in on the early betas,but there were none three years ago.Odd thing there.
Sounds like you only played in the beta for pre-ordering the game...not the ones before that. Odd thing there. You realize the game was in development 9 years ago, right? You actually think the first beta they did was for everyone who pre-ordered the game?
Never heard of betas 9 years ago.Never heard of ESO until they began to advertise it.
Ok,..fine.You were on the inside and played in betas I hadnt heard of.Still,I wonder why I didnt hear anything on the net about earlier ones.Not being snarky,just interested when they were. Any time there is anything about TES games and Bethesda,my ears prick up.
Can you point to where I said there were betas 9 years ago? I said the game was in development 9 years ago. You really think the first time they introduced the game to more than their QA team and Dev's was when they let hundreds of thousands of people play for the first time? No. There were plenty of smaller beta tests you could've gotten in.
I said I wasnt being snarky.So no need to try to make me look idiotic because I asked.This gave me the impression you were speaking of those long ago betas:
"You realize the game was in development 9 years ago, right? You actually think the first beta they did was for everyone who pre-ordered the game?"
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Masuimi✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
Cloak is not even nerfed. A counter got introduced to it. Sorry that EZ mode is over for you. Do you know why 75% of the population played nightblade after the last DLC? I'll give you a hint.. it had to do with ez mode. There are some good players out there that use cloak a lot, but plenty of NBs are GOOD even without using cloak. Try to find a sorc that's good without ward.. its just not possible to play that way.
Also NBs wear medium armor, sorcs wear light.
I love how its the same people that say "Don't nerf my class, nerfing is bad, just balance the others" are the same ones making threads trying to nerf other classes. Don't give me your [snip].
[snip]
Cloak did get nerfed for Stam NB. We have a limited magic pool, and had to make choices when to use it for offense or defense. The fact that it removed dots helped us live longer. WE ARE SQUISHY. We have no Wards. We have no powerful skills that counter it. The only counter we had was CLOAK. It was a class skill. It also took SKILL. Yes SKILL to manage. I know being a sorc and the word "Skill" burns in your ear. It takes skill to play a good NB using SA, and cloak. You have to make choices, and you have to manage a resource.
Also it is LAUGHABLE that you even mention armor. You want to know why we want your class nerfed? Because asking for buffs, or decent changes to a class does not work. If we are going to get a nerf to a playstyle, Nerfing Sorcs will be next. This dev team only knows how to nerf, so that is why we are giving the feedback that they only know how to do.
When you get that cast time on your wards. Just know I will have a huge grin on my face.
I don't play sorc anymore. Also, having cloak completely remove dots completely negates the DK class as a whole. [snip]
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✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
Cloak is not even nerfed. A counter got introduced to it. Sorry that EZ mode is over for you. Do you know why 75% of the population played nightblade after the last DLC? I'll give you a hint.. it had to do with ez mode. There are some good players out there that use cloak a lot, but plenty of NBs are GOOD even without using cloak. Try to find a sorc that's good without ward.. its just not possible to play that way.
Also NBs wear medium armor, sorcs wear light.
I love how its the same people that say "Don't nerf my class, nerfing is bad, just balance the others" are the same ones making threads trying to nerf other classes. Don't give me your [snip].
[snip]
Cloak did get nerfed for Stam NB. We have a limited magic pool, and had to make choices when to use it for offense or defense. The fact that it removed dots helped us live longer. WE ARE SQUISHY. We have no Wards. We have no powerful skills that counter it. The only counter we had was CLOAK. It was a class skill. It also took SKILL. Yes SKILL to manage. I know being a sorc and the word "Skill" burns in your ear. It takes skill to play a good NB using SA, and cloak. You have to make choices, and you have to manage a resource.
Also it is LAUGHABLE that you even mention armor. You want to know why we want your class nerfed? Because asking for buffs, or decent changes to a class does not work. If we are going to get a nerf to a playstyle, Nerfing Sorcs will be next. This dev team only knows how to nerf, so that is why we are giving the feedback that they only know how to do.
When you get that cast time on your wards. Just know I will have a huge grin on my face.
Dont say "we want your class nerfed".Say YOU do .I play an NB and I dont want ANYTHING nerfed.We DID get our cloak skill nerfed.The devs said they did it. I personally dont care,as I dont use it,but there are those who cannot play without it,for some reason.
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Dont say "we want your class nerfed".Say YOU do .I play an NB and I dont want ANYTHING nerfed.We DID get our cloak skill nerfed.The devs said they did it. I personally dont care,as I dont use it,but there are those who cannot play without it,for some reason.
Ok when I said we. I was talking about all the people asking for nerfs. This forum is full of them. The devs only like to nerf more than anything else. So that is why people want classes nerfed to be equal to theirs.Edited by rager82b14_ESO on February 16, 2016 7:12AM0 -
Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
That is not even close to the same thing, and you know it. [snip]
How dare you even think that.
Ward is for defense.
Cloaking is for defense.
Wards make you into a god tank.
Cloaking lets you get away or setup for more damage. Stam nightblades have a very short limit, and well timed ones can be life or death.
It is the same in my eyes. If you make a core part of the class harder to do, and already super squishy with limited ways to protect itself. You deserve the same thing happen. I guess I will just settle for a cast time on them, but still. If we had a skill that made your wards go off. You would [snip]not be happy[snip]
Cloak is not even nerfed. A counter got introduced to it. Sorry that EZ mode is over for you. Do you know why 75% of the population played nightblade after the last DLC? I'll give you a hint.. it had to do with ez mode. There are some good players out there that use cloak a lot, but plenty of NBs are GOOD even without using cloak. Try to find a sorc that's good without ward.. its just not possible to play that way.
Also NBs wear medium armor, sorcs wear light.
I love how its the same people that say "Don't nerf my class, nerfing is bad, just balance the others" are the same ones making threads trying to nerf other classes. Don't give me your [snip].
Ok, I usually don't involve myself is these pointless posturing back and forth, but this here^ was just too full of irony and misinformation.
Cloak did get a nerf, and a very hefty one for Stam NB. Who relied on the cleanse to get back into "Stealth" as they can't endlessly spam it like magicka can.
A Sorc calling NB ez-mode, Irony much? I actually stopped playing my Sorc in pvp for this very reason, I found it too easy and generally not challenging. But that's highly subjective.
And you are right, there are plenty of specs/builds that don't utilize Cloak at all, but what does that have to do with someone who wants to play the classic cloak /dagger stealth type, I suppose we just have to develop a different play style?
I know MANY Sorcs that don't play with Ward, stam sorcs have been all the rage since 1.6 and they seem to do quite fine.
No class has access to only one armor type and even then if you think the difference between armors is that big of a deal in pvp, where, between penetration and debuffs most everyone has roughly the same when it's all said and done. You probably aren't gearing or CPing properly.
You all may get back to the bantering. I just wanted to throw my two cents in.
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Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.0 -
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✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
Dont say "we want your class nerfed".Say YOU do .I play an NB and I dont want ANYTHING nerfed.We DID get our cloak skill nerfed.The devs said they did it. I personally dont care,as I dont use it,but there are those who cannot play without it,for some reason.
Ok when I said we. I was talking about all the people asking for nerfs. This forum is full of them. The devs only like to nerf more than anything else. So that is why people want classes nerfed to be equal to theirs.
You're one of those asking for nerfs,do I have it right?
No,..(said softly)
.Those classes were made the way they are for a reason.To be different from the others.As I said,if someone doesnt want to play a certain class,tough.They should just get over it and play on. I'd love to be able to do PvP as well as some can,with all those really cool skills.Do I want them to be nerfed because I cant have them? No. Do I want them available for anyone who doesnt PvP to get them? Absolutely not.
Those are hard earned skills.
I understand what you mean by the Devs not knowing how to do other than nerf,but I personally dont think all this balancing and equality should ever happen. We were supposed to get to "play as we want" and if everyone wants all the diversity (never in my life did I think I would use that filthy word) taken away,this game will become boring as he-ll.
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✭✭The problem with the changes to dark cloak is they are 100% nerfs, not adjustments.
The problem with magelight is mostly the ridiculousness of a lock out on an ability. I'd be fine if someone with magelight activated prevents me from stealthing/cloaking... that's fine. The problem is the lockout, and being it's going to be spammed and spammed and spammed some more... it's a terrible solution.
In truth, it's only helping the baddies anyways. The "seasoned" pvpers already can get you out of stealth and you need to be very careful with how you use dark cloak. Now every nub that generally spends 4 hours wiping in vet dungeons is now empowered to wreck a nightblades class ability by spamming a stupid and easy to get "no skill involved" ae spell.1 -
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✭[snip]rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
Dont say "we want your class nerfed".Say YOU do .I play an NB and I dont want ANYTHING nerfed.We DID get our cloak skill nerfed.The devs said they did it. I personally dont care,as I dont use it,but there are those who cannot play without it,for some reason.
Ok when I said we. I was talking about all the people asking for nerfs. This forum is full of them. The devs only like to nerf more than anything else. So that is why people want classes nerfed to be equal to theirs.
You're one of those asking for nerfs,do I have it right?
No,..(said softly)
.Those classes were made the way they are for a reason.To be different from the others.As I said,if someone doesnt want to play a certain class,tough.They should just get over it and play on. I'd love to be able to do PvP as well as some can,with all those really cool skills.Do I want them to be nerfed because I cant have them? No. Do I want them available for anyone who doesnt PvP to get them? Absolutely not.
Those are hard earned skills.
I understand what you mean by the Devs not knowing how to do other than nerf,but I personally dont think all this balancing and equality should ever happen. We were supposed to get to "play as we want" and if everyone wants all the diversity (never in my life did I think I would use that filthy word) taken away,this game will become boring as he-ll.
The problem is, the ML change and Cloak change has hurt a build so badly that stamblade might as well be WB bots like all the rest. Before it took skill to manage your mana for offense and defense with a very limited pool. Now no point with ML.
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✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
Dont say "we want your class nerfed".Say YOU do .I play an NB and I dont want ANYTHING nerfed.We DID get our cloak skill nerfed.The devs said they did it. I personally dont care,as I dont use it,but there are those who cannot play without it,for some reason.
Ok when I said we. I was talking about all the people asking for nerfs. This forum is full of them. The devs only like to nerf more than anything else. So that is why people want classes nerfed to be equal to theirs.
Just quit. Even NBs are not on your side because you're being so over-dramatic.
I already put you in place. I am done teaching you how to play this game. You play a easy mode sorc. That is all I needed to know about you.rager82b14_ESO wrote: »
Dont say "we want your class nerfed".Say YOU do .I play an NB and I dont want ANYTHING nerfed.We DID get our cloak skill nerfed.The devs said they did it. I personally dont care,as I dont use it,but there are those who cannot play without it,for some reason.
Ok when I said we. I was talking about all the people asking for nerfs. This forum is full of them. The devs only like to nerf more than anything else. So that is why people want classes nerfed to be equal to theirs.
You're one of those asking for nerfs,do I have it right?
No,..(said softly)
.Those classes were made the way they are for a reason.To be different from the others.As I said,if someone doesnt want to play a certain class,tough.They should just get over it and play on. I'd love to be able to do PvP as well as some can,with all those really cool skills.Do I want them to be nerfed because I cant have them? No. Do I want them available for anyone who doesnt PvP to get them? Absolutely not.
Those are hard earned skills.
I understand what you mean by the Devs not knowing how to do other than nerf,but I personally dont think all this balancing and equality should ever happen. We were supposed to get to "play as we want" and if everyone wants all the diversity (never in my life did I think I would use that filthy word) taken away,this game will become boring as he-ll.
The problem is, the ML change and Cloak change has hurt a build so badly that stamblade might as well be WB bots like all the rest. Before it took skill to manage your mana for offense and defense with a very limited pool. Now no point with ML.
Hmm,..I have never used ML,WB,nor Cloak,well cloak one time without interest,..and I have no problems ingame without them. I wish I could agree with you and all those who say without those two skills NBs have nothing to defend themselves,or fight back.But,I cant say that because I have a totally different set of skills I use,and my NB has no problems.0 -
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✭So what does NB have in self defense compare to other classes? The only stam build that is about as bad off is Stam sorc.
Sorry, I just can't see your point. I gave you examples on why certain playstyles and builds are hurting because of a nerf.
How are we suppose to stand toe to toe with classes with wards, good life regen, or spells that can make them far more defensive than we can? Leeching Strikes?
Cloak was the bread and butter of NB defense for Melee Stam builds. It removed dots, it gave us choices, and it took skill. Now, most of the NB I know just going to go bow, or WS. Wow such skill.1 -
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✭✭✭kenjitamura wrote: »"Class balancing" is the cancer killing MMO's. It sucks up all the developers time and resources which keeps them away from working on actual content and always pisses off a large portion of players that often times picked that class to play around a style no-longer viable.
I can't wait for all MMO's to be entirely skill based with no more class systems so the developers can just tell all the players "If you really think it's so OP and consider that more important a factor than playing in a way that's fun for you then just start using that build!"
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✭✭✭What exactly are the nerfs though? So far I just have seen rage, or defense of the nerf, but no mention of WHAT the nerf is going to be....0 -
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✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »So what does NB have in self defense compare to other classes? The only stam build that is about as bad off is Stam sorc.
Sorry, I just can't see your point. I gave you examples on why certain playstyles and builds are hurting because of a nerf.
How are we suppose to stand toe to toe with classes with wards, good life regen, or spells that can make them far more defensive than we can? Leeching Strikes?
Cloak was the bread and butter of NB defense for Melee Stam builds. It removed dots, it gave us choices, and it took skill. Now, most of the NB I know just going to go bow, or WS. Wow such skill.
Bow take skill as well,you know.What do you use? A staff?
With a bow and these skills My NB has no problems:
Swallow Soul III
Impale III
Surprise Attack (the only Shadow skill I use)
Ambush III
Cripple III
and this for an Ultimate:
Soul Harvest III
So,yes,there are skills NBs can use if they cant use cloak.No,they can no linger hide and sneak attacks well,but so what.Stand up and fight.
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Abob✭✭✭[snip]Cloak has so many counters right now it's not even worth using, imagine after this nerf... nightblade is going to be an even weaker class, right now being more or less up there with stamina templar, with these changes it will go down to the weakness level of stamina DK (redguard, sword and shield and two handed axe).
It's pretty sad to see an already nerfed class being nerfed again cause of learn to play issues. I guess everyone will roll stamplars now, being the new FOTM, and having free houses.
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✭So what stand up and fight? That is the point. We lack the tools to do that well! and Bow is just boring for me. The thought of just spamming 1 bow skill and super long range is not fun. I played NB to be a assassin, and now I have to play cookie cutter builds because having a build that is outside the stupid wrecking blow box is too much for this crap of a dev team.0 -
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✭✭[snip] Cloak has so many counters right now it's not even worth using, imagine after this nerf... nightblade is going to be an even weaker class, right now being more or less up there with stamina templar, with these changes it will go down to the weakness level of stamina DK (redguard, sword and shield and two handed axe).
It's pretty sad to see an already nerfed class being nerfed again cause of learn to play issues. I guess everyone will roll stamplars now, being the new FOTM, and having free houses.
No,Templars are far weaker than any NB.Just adjust to some of the other skills NBs have,and everyone will be fine.But wait,..that's too easy a solution.
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Abob✭✭✭All the cry babies have made ZOS nerf an underpowered ability. It's amazing. Cloak has so many counters right now it's not even worth using, imagine after this nerf... nightblade is going to be an even weaker class, right now being more or less up there with stamina templar, with these changes it will go down to the weakness level of stamina DK (redguard, sword and shield and two handed axe).
It's pretty sad to see an already nerfed class being nerfed again cause of learn to play issues. I guess everyone will roll stamplars now, being the new FOTM, and having free houses.
No,Templars are far weaker than any NB.Just adjust to some of the other skills NBs have,and everyone will be fine.But wait,..that's too easy a solution.
LOL, templar weaker than NB? 10/10 trolling!0
