Destro staff: best one to craft?

Fazmerir

Because I need to figure out which Traits I may be missing. Thx.

P.S. I'm a High Elf DK (DPS).

ajwest927

Go with lighting staff you can spam heavy attack by holding down the button. For triat I go with nirnhoned if you can't get it then go with precise

Fazmerir

Would Lightning be better than Inferno? I favor the later, for no particular/logical reason.

Fazmerir

The Law of Juliano's, for instance.

Nestor

Fazmerir wrote: »

Would Lightning be better than Inferno? I favor the later, for no particular/logical reason.

There is a thread around here somewhere where someone analyzed all the different destro staffs. The all pretty much do the same damage over time, just in different ways. I myself prefer Inferno as I can animation cancel that, and I can't do that with Lightening as it's a channel. But that is personal choice.

If your unsure, just make all 3 staffs, leave them white, and try all 3 and see what matches your playstyle. You might like the lightening channel, you might like the freeze from Ice, you might like the knockdown/back effects from flame.

DannyLV702

Fire is better for weaving light attacks in between, and maximize pressure/dps.

DannyLV702

I really don't see a valid reason for using a lightning staff, other than personal preference

Reverb

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I really don't see a valid reason for using a lightning staff, other than personal preference

It's heavy attacks are channeled and cannot be reflected. May not be reason enough for everybody, but as far as reasons go, it's "valid".

DannyLV702

Reverb wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I really don't see a valid reason for using a lightning staff, other than personal preference

It's heavy attacks are channeled and cannot be reflected. May not be reason enough for everybody, but as far as reasons go, it's "valid".

Maybe if you want to tickle DKs, then I guess that could be considered valid.

OP, if your goal is to tickle DKs, lightning it is lol

Brrrofski

Inferno.

You can weave with Crushing shock/Swallow soul so easily

Fazmerir

Thanks, all.

Jura23

Reverb wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

I really don't see a valid reason for using a lightning staff, other than personal preference

It's heavy attacks are channeled and cannot be reflected. May not be reason enough for everybody, but as far as reasons go, it's "valid".

I think in the upcoming patch, they can't be dodged as well.

ListerJMC

High Elves get bonus elemental damage, so any element should be fine. Most people seem to say fire or shock for maximum DPS in my experience though.

I'm that one Altmer that runs around with a frost staff purely because I love the animations - the heavy attack in particular. People told me shock damage would deal more damage due to sorcerer passives, so I put a shock enchantment on it and called it a day. Frost mage for life!

BurtFreeman

the best set for is juliano.
trait precise or nirnhoned
upon you build you may choose between inferno or lightninig and the gliph to apply with. frost one never used.
personally i prefer magicka damage where i can, so i put point into traumaturge, and i go almost for magicka damage enchantment, but i do not use staff skills apart for crushing shock

ryanborror

Sharpened inferno

code65536

The main difference between Inferno and Lightning is that Inferno is unchanneled and Lightning is channeled. (Among other staves, Ice is unchanneled, and Resto is channeled.)

Unchanneled:
+ Easier to weave with.
+ Can medium-weave or light-weave.

Channeled:
- Difficult to weave with.
- Can only light-weave.
+ Cannot be reflected or avoided.

There are some minor differences in the effects passives that make Inferno a bit better in PvE. As a sorc, though, Lightning will have one major advantage in that it can proc Disintegration. For the most part, though, it's about the weave, and that's the main reason why most prefer Inferno.

Sneakyfool

code65536 wrote: »

The main difference between Inferno and Lightning is that Inferno is unchanneled and Lightning is channeled. (Among other staves, Ice is unchanneled, and Resto is channeled.)

Unchanneled:
+ Easier to weave with.
+ Can medium-weave or light-weave.

Channeled:
- Difficult to weave with.
- Can only light-weave.
+ Cannot be reflected or avoided.

There are some minor differences in the effects passives that make Inferno a bit better in PvE. As a sorc, though, Lightning will have one major advantage in that it can proc Disintegration. For the most part, though, it's about the weave, and that's the main reason why most prefer Inferno.

Just to add to this, if as a Sorc you enchant your lightning staff with a Shock enchantment you can also proc Disintegration from that also. So in effect it's probably the best enchantment for a Lightning staff.

JuZ

I like a lightning staff of flame

Drakilian

Ice's roots reach effect will *** up any melee characters except for a nightblade (who will just spam ambush), because roots are literally the worst. Don't see enough people using it, probably because the knockback from flame reach is super fun.

Lightning is kinda boring imo.

Jimboo84

ListerJMC wrote: »

High Elves get bonus elemental damage, so any element should be fine. Most people seem to say fire or shock for maximum DPS in my experience though.

I'm that one Altmer that runs around with a frost staff purely because I love the animations - the heavy attack in particular. People told me shock damage would deal more damage due to sorcerer passives, so I put a shock enchantment on it and called it a day. Frost mage for life!

Good choice.
When I(High Elf) go ice in PvP everyone hates me Enemies whispering me....
Frost staff, with yellow elemental Frost dmg.

Plus the heavy attack give an additional shield.

ListerJMC

Jimboo84 wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

High Elves get bonus elemental damage, so any element should be fine. Most people seem to say fire or shock for maximum DPS in my experience though.

I'm that one Altmer that runs around with a frost staff purely because I love the animations - the heavy attack in particular. People told me shock damage would deal more damage due to sorcerer passives, so I put a shock enchantment on it and called it a day. Frost mage for life!

Good choice.
When I(High Elf) go ice in PvP everyone hates me Enemies whispering me....
Frost staff, with yellow elemental Frost dmg.

Plus the heavy attack give an additional shield.

Ice staves are good for pvp? Awesome, maybe I should take him out there more often! And I like that extra shield too

CaptainPocky

Fire staves are best for PvE as you can medium weave (using barely-charged heavy attacks in-between abilities) with them, they have a passive burning DoT, and gain 10% more damage if you have a DK running Engulfing Flames (+10% flame damage) in the party.

As for PvP, frost staves are also pretty good because of their various CC effects and again the fact you can medium weave them. Just preference between frost and fire there.

Lightning aren't really great honestly mostly because you can't medium weave with them. Some argue that a Sorc's Disintegrate passive make them viable, though you can show that not to be the case.

Edit to show that in case someone was wondering. I'm remembering these numbers off of the top of my head, so they may not be 100% accurate, but anyway. It's ~6% chance to proc 8k damage at low health. Light weaving every second gives you ~0.06*8000 = 480 DPS. Medium weaving gives ~ 1k DPS over light weaving. Therefore, even in execute, inferno would give ~500 more DPS than lightning. This is worse if you consider that Disintegrate will not be able to proc for the majority of the fight.

One last note: I have heard that the fire staff's innate DoT doesn't stack with a fire enchantment's DoT, so it is possibly better to run a poison enchant. Haven't tested this myself though.

Xeven

CaptainPocky wrote: »

Lightning aren't really great honestly mostly because you can't medium weave with them. Some argue that a Sorc's Disintegrate passive make them viable, though you can show that not to be the case.

This in combination with our increased lightning damage passive, and the fact that its one of the few thing we can actually hit a DK with makes lightning the optimal choice for Sorcerer.

For everyone else or PvE sorcs, it's fire.

Johngo0036

Inferno staff for me is easier to weave,

I would go either Nirnhoned or Sharpened,
Not precise...

I use a lightning staff when i PVP... heavy attack on a dk does not get reflected..

CaptainPocky

Yeah, the lightning heavy not-getting-reflected aspect is nice, but Magicka DKs are underpowered enough in PvP that you usually don't need it. Inevitable Detonation + Velocious Curse + Endless Fury spam is sadly all it takes while they tickle you with their flame whip. Streak through them when the curse and det go off to really screw them.

(My mains are a magicka DK and Sorc, so I've seen both sides of that one. It always goes well for the sorc, as long as they don't accidentally cast a frag out of habit!)

Reevster

Inferno all the way for Dark elfs plus 7 percent fire damage bonus.... well if you were a dark elf that is....

Fazmerir

High Elf. ^_^

Jimboo84

ListerJMC wrote: »

Jimboo84 wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

High Elves get bonus elemental damage, so any element should be fine. Most people seem to say fire or shock for maximum DPS in my experience though.

I'm that one Altmer that runs around with a frost staff purely because I love the animations - the heavy attack in particular. People told me shock damage would deal more damage due to sorcerer passives, so I put a shock enchantment on it and called it a day. Frost mage for life!

Good choice.
When I(High Elf) go ice in PvP everyone hates me Enemies whispering me....
Frost staff, with yellow elemental Frost dmg.

Plus the heavy attack give an additional shield.

Ice staves are good for pvp? Awesome, maybe I should take him out there more often! And I like that extra shield too

The extra shield is good yeah, +1000dmg points. Only someone told me last time they use more Shock dmg staff, visual wise... the ice graphics could be improved, true.

But it are those enemies that suddenly whisper me hating comments, that I love ice more Deep Freeze them to the group. Especially those that use stamina, if it's empty, watch them getting crazy

But if I really want to kill fast, it's fire. With ice you know you do less damage.

Jimboo84

Johngo0036 wrote: »

Inferno staff for me is easier to weave,

I would go either Nirnhoned or Sharpened,
Not precise...

I use a lightning staff when i PVP... heavy attack on a dk does not get reflected..

I hate it when they reflect Meteor... try that in real life

Septimus_Magna

Useful traits for staffs::
Nirhoned (best weapon trait for magicka builds)
Sharpened
Precise

Dont bother with other traits on staffs, besides Training in the beginning ofc.