High Elf vs Breton

ryanborror

High elf excels everywhere except is beat out by dunmer for magic dk. Most players won't notice the difference but min maxers do and choose high elf. But that's just purely damage. However unfortunately higher damage means better heals as well. For most people though the difference is insignificant as they don't care about numbers or play their character correctly or they just like to have fun or think humans are prettier than high elves.

ryanborror

Breton will do well as a pvp magic night blade or a Templar magic tank

Dracan_Fontom

Xeven wrote: »

Lets do some math shall we?

A Breton and a High Elf are both weaving Crushing Shock once per second at a base cost of 1500 magicka per cast. They both have a base magicka regen of 2000. They are both using potions. They both have 100 CP into Arcanist.

The Breton saves 45 magicka per cast which is equal to 90 regen when casting as fast as possible, once per second.

The Breton's effective regen is 2000(Base) * 1.25(Archanist) * 1.2(Major Intellect) +90(Cost Reduction Passive) = 3090

The Altmer's effective regen is 2000(Base) * 1.25(Archanist) * (1.2(Major Intellect)+0.09(Regen Passive)) = 3225

A difference of 135 regen in a best case scenario for the Breton. Give them both more cost reduction/regen passives, and the Breton falls further and further behind. (Continuous Attack, Magicka Controller, Magicka Aid, Seducer, Cost Reduction Rings, etc, etc, etc)

You are actually doing the math? No offense but Race choices are minimal in caparison to the actual skill of the player. I, who rolls as an Argonian NB, can easily kill other players quickly. I also have 35k magic which is impressive (IMO) for not being an Altmer or Breton.

SkylarkAU

Rhetoric aside for a moment, does the cost reduction passive from Breton provide additional benefit when using magic cost reduction glyphs?

e.g. 200 magic cost reduction + Breton passive (3%) = 206 magic cost reduction

Cody

I always go breton, I like to have the extra spell resistance, and the elemental damage is to exclusive for me. for my manablade healer, that elemental damage buff would be 100% useless, as she does not nor will she use a destro staff(at least she will not as of now) her offensive mana capabilities do not fall under the elemental category. in reality the sorcerer and DK benefit from the elemental passive the most: DKs use a lot of fire, and sorcerers use destruction staves more often than the other three classes. I am not aware if templar sun damage falls under the elemental category.

Sypher

Depends on class and build.

Most of the time High Elf is the way to go. There are however, certain builds that benefit more from the Breton passive.

For 99% of Sorcerer builds I say high elf 99% of the time. Nightblades/Templars/Dragonknights on the other hand have a few setups that benifet more from Breton compared to high elf.

Cinnamon_Spider

High Elf. How is this even in question?

Jeckll

What about Dunmer VS High Elf for Magicka Nb?
Sustain is no issue so the recovery of high elves do not factor in that much so dps wise, it's 1% less Magicka for 3% more fire damage. With the recent buff to wall of elements as well as inferno staff attacks (also buffed from WoE with Maelstrom), I'm not 100% sure anymore High Elf wins by default.

Regarding the initial discussion: Sure High Elf over Breton.

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The answer is always High Elf. Cost reduction has diminishing returns, and regen is boosted further by CP and buffs. Breton is inferior in every way. Shields do not benefit from resistances.

That's an ignorant statement. High Elves do have an advantage in terms of damage output, but only for elemental damage specifically. There are other magic damage types that they gain no benefit from over Bretons. They both have the same extra magicka but the spell resistance of Bretons allows them to reach the cap easier. Basically one has slightly more defense and one has slightly more damage. A skilled player probably wouldn't notice the difference.

You are mistaken, and ironically the ignorant one. It's just math. The difference between High Elf and Breton:

High Elf:
9% Regen
4% Elemental Damage

Breton
3% Cost Reduction
Spell Resistance

For pure magicka sorc/night blade, High Elf is superior in every way because:

1) Regen is further boosted by CP and buffs
2) Cost Reduction has diminishing returns
3) Wards do not benefit from spell resistance
4) High Elf does more damage

High elf damage bonus is also only elemental, whereas sorc and nightblade CLASS skills (with the exception of the storm calling line very few people even use) are magic damage based.

High elves are extremely overrated, and the so-called diminishing returns on cost reduction are also overstated.

A high elf is only MARGINALLY stronger than a breton if the player is using a destro staff or overload spamming. Neither of which gain nearly as much benefit as you would have people believe.


1. Regen is arbitrary, my breton sorc hits 2400 regen easily, this is more than sufficient for anything I do, I cannot remember the last time I ran out of blue resource in a fight.
2. And that is probably because of my cost reduction built in, I dont need as much regen because my skills cost less. To a greater degree than people are being led to believe by some of you mixmaxers. Seriously, show me a spreadsheet.
3. Wards no, but straight health does, and quite honestly, relying solely on triple shield stacking in this day and age is suicide. Damage is high enough that normally a player can strip a hardened ward off with ONE HIT. Then you take the remainder/followup to health, THAT requires SR, good thing im running 24k in LA, eh? Even a high pen build cant get through all of it. And I dont even try, its just.... naturally there, because breton SR ALSO benefits from champion point bonuses.
4. Debatable, my frag/prox/mines/bats bomb would gain zero benefit from an elemental damage passive, can do almost 40k damage in 2-3 seconds to everyone within 6 meters (except the frag of course, the poor sap that gets that on top of it takes 50k total). The only ability on my bars that even does ele damage is streak, and i dont even use that for damage, but for mobility.

So tell me again why High Elf is absolutely better? O_o Its also why enemy sorcs that follow this line of thinking are particularly delicious to me. They waltz up with their crushing shock spam that doesnt do much more than tickle, take two frags a curse a streak and a det to the face, fall on their ass and wonder how the hell they took so much damage and I was barely scratched. SR. Never ever underestimate it.

Jeckll

Rylana wrote: »

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So tell me again why High Elf is absolutely better? O_o

Doesn't matter if it 0.1%, 1% or 10% better. You wrote yourself ist marginally better. End of the story.
Better is better. Even if only your light attacks are affected by the Altmer passive.
Most won't feel the difference but you can't argue away the mathematical fact that there is one.

Rylana

Jeckll wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

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So tell me again why High Elf is absolutely better? O_o

Doesn't matter if it 0.1%, 1% or 10% better. You wrote yourself ist marginally better. End of the story.
Better is better. Even if only your light attacks are affected by the Altmer passive.
Most won't feel the difference but you can't argue away the mathematical fact that there is one.

Heres the thing mate, in terms of raw potential damage output, marginally better. And only if using elemental based attacks (railroaded into destro/overload)

In terms of overall balance damage/regen/defense/build flexibility at the same time, I actually will flat out go on record saying Breton is stronger.

There is a reason both of my sorcs and my vet templar are all bretons. Someone building for raw single damage type in PvP is really backing themselves into a corner, and I saw that day 1. It becomes even more pronounced when you factor in elemental defender in champion tree. Not only is destro/overload reduced by hardy, but by a second star. Even THAT fact can make a strong case for a destro/elemental build being inherently weaker.

Septimus_Magna

Stacking magicka regen is way more effective than stacking magicka cost reduction.

For example, if you stack multiple regen bonuses (from racials, enchants, gear, mundus and CP) a 129 regen bonus will add 250-300 regen.

If you stack cost reduction (from racials, enchants, gear and CP) a 3% cost reduction will effectively reduce magicka cost with 2-1,5% because there is a reduction cap.

Regen stacks additive, more regen = higher value from each bonus.
Cost reduction stacks reductive, more cost reduction = lower value from each bonus.

This makes Altmer the superiour choice for light armor magicka builds.

For heavy armor the spell resist and cost reduction can be more useful, some pro-DKs prefer Breton for their heavy armor builds.

LegendaryMage

Bretons are fine, no problem there. Spell resistance passive ties in nicely with some builds/gear (bloodspawn) and in combination with further boosts, can put you higher up in terms of your magical resistance. Cost reduction is also nice, 3%-4% is not 'insignificant' and does help with sets such as seducer, especially in the new non-cp campaign where regens might be lower than usual, and people starting to go for cost reduction glyphs again perhaps (not sure, just guessing here).

Also, the damage difference is very low, I'd actually prefer Breton's cost reduction passive or spell resistance instead of the dps one from high elves. As someone mentioned, a lot of spells are not elemental so the passive is useless there, while Breton's aren't. I would still pick an altmer at creation screen, but Breton would be my 2nd choice for a sorcerer definitely.

Rylana

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Stacking magicka regen is way more effective than stacking magicka cost reduction.

For example, if you stack multiple regen bonuses (from racials, enchants, gear, mundus and CP) a 129 regen bonus will add 250-300 regen.

If you stack cost reduction (from racials, enchants, gear and CP) a 3% cost reduction will effectively reduce magicka cost with 2-1,5% because there is a reduction cap.

Regen stacks additive, more regen = higher value from each bonus.
Cost reduction stacks reductive, more cost reduction = lower value from each bonus.

This makes Altmer the superiour choice for light armor magicka builds.

For heavy armor the spell resist and cost reduction can be more useful, some pro-DKs prefer Breton for their heavy armor builds.

In the past I would not have had much disagreement with regen vs cost reduction, until we started seeing more people hitting 501s. It is completely possible now to make infinite sustain builds with just 2500ish regens due to champ redux + the breton passive with nothing else. 3k - 4k regen? Wasted if you ask me. Might as well toss those mods into damage.

The real prize of the breton line is the spell resistance. it makes even light armor wearers incredibly "tanky" against magicka damage, especially compounded with champs. Its almost silly how immune my magiplar breton is to magic damage. Granted my magiplar is 5/1/1 heavy split but it doesnt really suffer much in terms of its healing role. 40kish SR + 50 odd points into hardy = LOL, and then block the big hits. Its laughable honestly. And it can still hit near 20k BoL heal crits with ritual up, in cyro.

So at the end of the day, marginally better damage vs way higher survival against half of the damage in the game? Ill take the latter.

BurtFreeman

even if every body will say high helf, i vote for breton, because of better taste passive all around (for me). 4% elemental damage is not inviting me, i prefer spell resistance a spel cost reduction, also because i'm always oriented in magicka damage source.
may be for dk fire mage i'll choose hf, for the rest not.
i'm pretty happy with my hf templar, thought i prefer the breton.

Haquor

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The answer is always High Elf. Cost reduction has diminishing returns, and regen is boosted further by CP and buffs. Breton is inferior in every way. Shields do not benefit from resistances.

That's an ignorant statement. High Elves do have an advantage in terms of damage output, but only for elemental damage specifically. There are other magic damage types that they gain no benefit from over Bretons. They both have the same extra magicka but the spell resistance of Bretons allows them to reach the cap easier. Basically one has slightly more defense and one has slightly more damage. A skilled player probably wouldn't notice the difference.

You are mistaken, and ironically the ignorant one. It's just math. The difference between High Elf and Breton:

High Elf:
9% Regen
4% Elemental Damage

Breton
3% Cost Reduction
Spell Resistance

For pure magicka sorc, High Elf is superior in every way.

Just because you believe it to be true doesn't make it so. It's great that you're happy with your choice but at the end of the day that 4% isn't as big of a deal as you think. Velocious Curse, Crystal Fragments, Magicka Detonation, etc... those are NOT elemental damage and thus High Elves get ABSOLUTELY NO advantage compared to Bretons with them. The 9% regen is nice, but honestly not that important, because as a sorc we have plenty of ways to regain magicka. I purposely run with very little regen because max magicka and spell damage is way more important, and yes that reduction in cost is a lot more useful than you realize. So no they are not "superior in every way", but they do have their own specific advantages.

combination of elemental and magic damage into the same cp slot in a few weeks will make higj elf def my preferred race for casters other than dk.

LarsS

I am runing a Breton sorc with destro resto staffs. I mostly do group pvp and some trials. My experience is that I hardly ever have a magica resouce problem, so regeneration or lower cost does not matter in real play. The difference is thus elemental dammage and spell recistance. Storm calling spell and destro staff dammage is higher for a high elf, but in pvp you are mostly killed by proximity detonation, steel tornado, chrystal morphs or an ultimate. So yes higher elemental dammage is nice but of limited practical use. I prefere higher spell resistance since it improves my survivability against all magicka spells. In trials survivability is in my experience more important than max dps, I thus prefere the breton in this case to.

Cinnamon_Spider

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Rylana

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Because burst damage in this game is too damn high to rely solely on shields? A competent burster will blow down even a triple stack with just magic attacks, not to mention stam builds.

Yeah shields are good, really good, but they arent the end all be all.

And remember, we arent talking about JUST sorcs here.

Cinnamon_Spider

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Because burst damage in this game is too damn high to rely solely on shields? A competent burster will blow down even a triple stack with just magic attacks, not to mention stam builds.

Yeah shields are good, really good, but they arent the end all be all.

And remember, we arent talking about JUST sorcs here.

That's where CP will be beneficial and you aren't dealing with the dimishing returns from cost reduction.

And my impression from the OP was that this was about sorcs.

Septimus_Magna

Rylana wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Stacking magicka regen is way more effective than stacking magicka cost reduction.

For example, if you stack multiple regen bonuses (from racials, enchants, gear, mundus and CP) a 129 regen bonus will add 250-300 regen.

If you stack cost reduction (from racials, enchants, gear and CP) a 3% cost reduction will effectively reduce magicka cost with 2-1,5% because there is a reduction cap.

Regen stacks additive, more regen = higher value from each bonus.
Cost reduction stacks reductive, more cost reduction = lower value from each bonus.

This makes Altmer the superiour choice for light armor magicka builds.

For heavy armor the spell resist and cost reduction can be more useful, some pro-DKs prefer Breton for their heavy armor builds.

In the past I would not have had much disagreement with regen vs cost reduction, until we started seeing more people hitting 501s. It is completely possible now to make infinite sustain builds with just 2500ish regens due to champ redux + the breton passive with nothing else. 3k - 4k regen? Wasted if you ask me. Might as well toss those mods into damage.

The real prize of the breton line is the spell resistance. it makes even light armor wearers incredibly "tanky" against magicka damage, especially compounded with champs. Its almost silly how immune my magiplar breton is to magic damage. Granted my magiplar is 5/1/1 heavy split but it doesnt really suffer much in terms of its healing role. 40kish SR + 50 odd points into hardy = LOL, and then block the big hits. Its laughable honestly. And it can still hit near 20k BoL heal crits with ritual up, in cyro.

So at the end of the day, marginally better damage vs way higher survival against half of the damage in the game? Ill take the latter.

The way I see it both are racials are very good for magicka builds but regen stacks more effective than cost reduction.

For pvp magicka builds have to sacrifice some spell dmg for magicka regen, either with gear sets or with enchants.

With the Altmer regen passive, Atronach mundus, 1 regen from a set bonus and 1 magicka regen enchant I can sustain on my sorc. This means the other 2 jewelry enchants can be used to increase spell dmg.

It also depends on your class, for example sorcs dont have much use for spell resist because they block most dmg with shields. On a DK or Templar the spell resist is very helpful ofc.

Morozov

NativeJoe wrote: »

Okay masters of numbers... put this all into perspective for the rest of us. @eventide03b14a_ESO, @Morozov , @Xeven ,
@Morozov , @eliisra

For a sorc that isn't afraid of pork, but loves to eat the Hork, and is all about the torque.

I'm a breton and I crit on overload for 36.5k, how much damage am i missing out on?

I'm High elf and die to a crystal frags in pvp, going from 12k hp down to negative 1.5k health, would being breton have saved me?

I'm breton and assuming I wanted to take advantage of pure magic based damage, what would be my rotation?

I'm High elf assuming I wanted to take advantage of pure elemental based damage , what would be my rotation?

PVP isn't like PVE. You can't rely on a rotation against another player when they LOS you around a tree/rock or spam crystal frags on you while their NB friend is locking you down with fears and ambush. What gear do you run? Do you run solo or with groups? What is you CP and skill distribution? Do you have the emp buff? What potions do you run? Do you run for sustain or max damage?

In PVE its al about maxing out the math behind the race/skills/class as the mechanics behind a trial/pledge never change.....in PVP its forever changing with the tides.

Its nice you crit 36.5k on overload, but what good is that when the DK you are fighting spams wings and send those right back to you?

for right now, sorc's (be they high elf or Breton) stack magicka and CP into bastion so that their shields are really hard to get through. With the increase in stacking magicka, it also increases a sorc's overall damage. for a very quick and easy answer to the question you pose (and it works for both Breton or Altmer) is stack as much magicka as you can, stack CP into bastion...then get your mag regen up as high as you can. Then the rotation would be, blast with everything you have while keeping shields up until your target dies....sad answer, but its the truth in PVP

again, I'd go with High elf because as either race you can stack the magicka via gear or attribute points and at the end of the day you still get their regen after all that.

Morozov

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

also this^....this^......so much this^

Rylana

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Because burst damage in this game is too damn high to rely solely on shields? A competent burster will blow down even a triple stack with just magic attacks, not to mention stam builds.

Yeah shields are good, really good, but they arent the end all be all.

And remember, we arent talking about JUST sorcs here.

That's where CP will be beneficial and you aren't dealing with the dimishing returns from cost reduction.

And my impression from the OP was that this was about sorcs.

There is nothing in the high elf passives that says "my shields cannot be burst down by three equally travel timed skills landing at the same time, thus making me immortal just recast the skill trololol"

So i am not sure your argument here? Neither regen nor cost reduction matters in the scenario where shields go down. It happens because you get a couple badblades and maybe another sorc hitting you with the kitchen sink. No ones shields survive vs the potential burst in this meta, they havent for a long time. Every rotation usually results in a health hit no matter how fast you are. How much of a health hit? Thats where bretons shine.

Xeven

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Because burst damage in this game is too damn high to rely solely on shields? A competent burster will blow down even a triple stack with just magic attacks, not to mention stam builds.

Yeah shields are good, really good, but they arent the end all be all.

And remember, we arent talking about JUST sorcs here.

That's where CP will be beneficial and you aren't dealing with the dimishing returns from cost reduction.

And my impression from the OP was that this was about sorcs.

There is nothing in the high elf passives that says "my shields cannot be burst down by three equally travel timed skills landing at the same time, thus making me immortal just recast the skill trololol"

So i am not sure your argument here? Neither regen nor cost reduction matters in the scenario where shields go down. It happens because you get a couple badblades and maybe another sorc hitting you with the kitchen sink. No ones shields survive vs the potential burst in this meta, they havent for a long time. Every rotation usually results in a health hit no matter how fast you are. How much of a health hit? Thats where bretons shine.

In the scenario that you describe, that 6% spell resistance isn't going to save you anyway. I kill your breton on the daily, with magic damage, solo, while youre in your zerg group.

I'll take the superior resource pool and elemental damage every time.

tennant94

High elf all the way

Rylana

Xeven wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Because burst damage in this game is too damn high to rely solely on shields? A competent burster will blow down even a triple stack with just magic attacks, not to mention stam builds.

Yeah shields are good, really good, but they arent the end all be all.

And remember, we arent talking about JUST sorcs here.

That's where CP will be beneficial and you aren't dealing with the dimishing returns from cost reduction.

And my impression from the OP was that this was about sorcs.

There is nothing in the high elf passives that says "my shields cannot be burst down by three equally travel timed skills landing at the same time, thus making me immortal just recast the skill trololol"

So i am not sure your argument here? Neither regen nor cost reduction matters in the scenario where shields go down. It happens because you get a couple badblades and maybe another sorc hitting you with the kitchen sink. No ones shields survive vs the potential burst in this meta, they havent for a long time. Every rotation usually results in a health hit no matter how fast you are. How much of a health hit? Thats where bretons shine.

In the scenario that you describe, that 6% spell resistance isn't going to save you anyway. I kill your breton on the daily, with magic damage, solo, while youre in your zerg group.

I'll take the superior resource pool and elemental damage every time.

You have never killed me on your own. Thats just laughable. Every time I see you its either running from me, or jumping on me when ive got 10+ already on me.

Rich boast man.

Cody

Rylana wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

The answer is always High Elf. Cost reduction has diminishing returns, and regen is boosted further by CP and buffs. Breton is inferior in every way. Shields do not benefit from resistances.

That's an ignorant statement. High Elves do have an advantage in terms of damage output, but only for elemental damage specifically. There are other magic damage types that they gain no benefit from over Bretons. They both have the same extra magicka but the spell resistance of Bretons allows them to reach the cap easier. Basically one has slightly more defense and one has slightly more damage. A skilled player probably wouldn't notice the difference.

You are mistaken, and ironically the ignorant one. It's just math. The difference between High Elf and Breton:

High Elf:
9% Regen
4% Elemental Damage

Breton
3% Cost Reduction
Spell Resistance

For pure magicka sorc/night blade, High Elf is superior in every way because:

1) Regen is further boosted by CP and buffs
2) Cost Reduction has diminishing returns
3) Wards do not benefit from spell resistance
4) High Elf does more damage

High elf damage bonus is also only elemental, whereas sorc and nightblade CLASS skills (with the exception of the storm calling line very few people even use) are magic damage based.

High elves are extremely overrated, and the so-called diminishing returns on cost reduction are also overstated.

A high elf is only MARGINALLY stronger than a breton if the player is using a destro staff or overload spamming. Neither of which gain nearly as much benefit as you would have people believe.


1. Regen is arbitrary, my breton sorc hits 2400 regen easily, this is more than sufficient for anything I do, I cannot remember the last time I ran out of blue resource in a fight.
2. And that is probably because of my cost reduction built in, I dont need as much regen because my skills cost less. To a greater degree than people are being led to believe by some of you mixmaxers. Seriously, show me a spreadsheet.
3. Wards no, but straight health does, and quite honestly, relying solely on triple shield stacking in this day and age is suicide. Damage is high enough that normally a player can strip a hardened ward off with ONE HIT. Then you take the remainder/followup to health, THAT requires SR, good thing im running 24k in LA, eh? Even a high pen build cant get through all of it. And I dont even try, its just.... naturally there, because breton SR ALSO benefits from champion point bonuses.
4. Debatable, my frag/prox/mines/bats bomb would gain zero benefit from an elemental damage passive, can do almost 40k damage in 2-3 seconds to everyone within 6 meters (except the frag of course, the poor sap that gets that on top of it takes 50k total). The only ability on my bars that even does ele damage is streak, and i dont even use that for damage, but for mobility.

So tell me again why High Elf is absolutely better? O_o Its also why enemy sorcs that follow this line of thinking are particularly delicious to me. They waltz up with their crushing shock spam that doesnt do much more than tickle, take two frags a curse a streak and a det to the face, fall on their ass and wonder how the hell they took so much damage and I was barely scratched. SR. Never ever underestimate it.

Damage is high enough that normally a player can strip a hardened ward off with ONE HIT.

with 4K weapon damage perhaps:D then again that is the norm nowadays, so i cant argue that point with you, as much as I hate shield stacking.

I myself always go breton when making mana builds because of the Spell resistance. 3K spell resistance is very beneficial when using certain set ups. the extra 9% regen is not a necessity, nor is it as impactful as many of the elite people think. With CPs and base game reductions, a mana build as a non-high elf can get regen rates close to 3K, at that point that player is not going to run out of resources, regardless of race.

The altmer's only true advantage in the current meta is the extra elemental damage, which is not a game killer.

perhaps the altmer's regen passive will be a true advantage when CP restricted campaigns come out, until then, the difference between the two is very slim.

Cody

Xeven wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

To the people that are saying Breton for the magic resistance, why are you letting your shield(s) drop?

Because burst damage in this game is too damn high to rely solely on shields? A competent burster will blow down even a triple stack with just magic attacks, not to mention stam builds.

Yeah shields are good, really good, but they arent the end all be all.

And remember, we arent talking about JUST sorcs here.

That's where CP will be beneficial and you aren't dealing with the dimishing returns from cost reduction.

And my impression from the OP was that this was about sorcs.

There is nothing in the high elf passives that says "my shields cannot be burst down by three equally travel timed skills landing at the same time, thus making me immortal just recast the skill trololol"

So i am not sure your argument here? Neither regen nor cost reduction matters in the scenario where shields go down. It happens because you get a couple badblades and maybe another sorc hitting you with the kitchen sink. No ones shields survive vs the potential burst in this meta, they havent for a long time. Every rotation usually results in a health hit no matter how fast you are. How much of a health hit? Thats where bretons shine.

In the scenario that you describe, that 6% spell resistance isn't going to save you anyway. I kill your breton on the daily, with magic damage, solo, while youre in your zerg group.

I'll take the superior resource pool and elemental damage every time.

by "i killed you" it is most likely you mean "I and about 10 others killed you". do not take this personally or even be offended, as that is simply how PvP is. Seldom will anyone actually kill an enemy by themselves in this game's PvP unless they are in a dueling guild in some abandoned part of the map dueling.

Mojmir

Live on the edge,roll a nord