Stamina is grossly underpowered.

khele23eb17_ESO

Some people forget PvP isnt the only aspect of this game.

Strider_Roshin

Miwerton wrote: »

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I6Sc5ot5lBw

So #65 is what stamina is gonna feel like if this is what goes on live.

Lol crit charge fail.

VincentBlanquin

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

It's funny, some (good) stamina players I have fought in the PTS have been extremely effective. They do plenty of damage and their healing is fine. In open world, I expect them to remain as slippery as they already are.

Balancing the game so you can't two shot people doesn't make stamina underpowered, it makes it require more skill than stacking weapon damage and hitting for 10k+ each hit.

you mean sypher right? but once it goes live, he shelve his stamina nightblade and will play mag sorc or mag nightblade like true minmaxer. some people can overcame many things with their 2handed dueling setup, but are they even nightblades anymore?

its the same issue like nowadays with strong stamina dragonknights at pvp. Are they even dragonknights or just 2handers with wings?

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Combat & Gameplay
General
* Revealing an enemy from stealth or invisibility with abilities such as Revealing Flare or Magelight now prevents that enemy from casting stealth or invisibility for the duration, rather than letting them re-enter stealth or invisibility but still be visible.

And if they continually recast Magelight?????...

Nightblades already had good counters and now its just ridiculous, every magic build will use this in PvP..

Well, now I want a Counter for the Counter...fix it ZOS..

Looks like it's Back to Elder Staves Online.. (ESO)

Strider_Roshin

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

It's funny, some (good) stamina players I have fought in the PTS have been extremely effective. They do plenty of damage and their healing is fine. In open world, I expect them to remain as slippery as they already are.

Balancing the game so you can't two shot people doesn't make stamina underpowered, it makes it require more skill than stacking weapon damage and hitting for 10k+ each hit.

My gripe with the

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General
* Revealing an enemy from stealth or invisibility with abilities such as Revealing Flare or Magelight now prevents that enemy from casting stealth or invisibility for the duration, rather than letting them re-enter stealth or invisibility but still be visible.

And if they continually recast Magelight?????...

Nightblades already had good counters and now its just ridiculous, every magic build will use this in PvP..

Well, now I want a Counter for the Counter...fix it ZOS..

Looks like it's Back to Elder Staves Online.. (ESO)

Honestly ZOS made cloak useless. I plan on switching it off my bar when this goes live.

Miwerton

What should be done instead is to remind people that there is a skill called revealing flare, instead of making magelight a Panopticon.

Feisty_Khajiit128

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people forget PvP isnt the only aspect of this game.

ZOS needs to realize this...

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

It's funny, some (good) stamina players I have fought in the PTS have been extremely effective. They do plenty of damage and their healing is fine. In open world, I expect them to remain as slippery as they already are.

Balancing the game so you can't two shot people doesn't make stamina underpowered, it makes it require more skill than stacking weapon damage and hitting for 10k+ each hit.

My gripe with the

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General
* Revealing an enemy from stealth or invisibility with abilities such as Revealing Flare or Magelight now prevents that enemy from casting stealth or invisibility for the duration, rather than letting them re-enter stealth or invisibility but still be visible.

And if they continually recast Magelight?????...

Nightblades already had good counters and now its just ridiculous, every magic build will use this in PvP..

Well, now I want a Counter for the Counter...fix it ZOS..

Looks like it's Back to Elder Staves Online.. (ESO)

Honestly ZOS made cloak useless. I plan on switching it off my bar when this goes live.

Yeah if this goes to live then I just wont PvP really anymore, we finally get real balance (cloak doesn't break on single target attacks) and they make a Class skill useless by over buffing an ability anyone can get and slot, soooo ridiculous ..

I have seen your Vid's Strider, you are a awesome player, me not so much (man has got to know his limitations but I try)... but Cloak was my main defensive ability other than roll dodging (even being a Stamina Heavy Hybrid, so I can have more Magicka to use cloak and our other Magicka abilities with) which was nerfed already and now its gonna be Elder Staves Online again.. WTH..

I am starting to get mad at ZOS to the point where im gonna unsub on PS4 (already unsubbed on PC) if this goes live.. Farcry Primal is looking good on the 2/23... I want to keep loving this game but its getting to the point where it's not worth it if they keep nerfing Stamina builds and keep buffing Magicka Builds to the high hell..

itscompton

Miwerton wrote: »

What should be done instead is to remind people that there is a skill called revealing flare, instead of making magelight a Panopticon.

this word does not mean what you think it means

Xsorus

There is absolutely zero NBs who will not run Cloak on their bar..It allows for a Guaranteed Crit...

There is no ability in the game that trumps that.

Drakilian

Personally I've always found stam users to be significantly stronger than Magicka users in PvP. All you have to do is consistently apply CCs and kill the Magicka player when they run out of Stam.

(Though this might only apply to DKs since they have amazing defense against Magicka players because of their wings).

Strider_Roshin

Xsorus wrote: »

There is absolutely zero NBs who will not run Cloak on their bar..It allows for a Guaranteed Crit...

There is no ability in the game that trumps that.

Here's a Nightblade that won't be running cloak. Also shadowy disguise has never interested me as a stamblade.

Miwerton

Having played stamina on all classes i can say this from experience:

Shadowy disguise is not really worth using, unless your a magicka build with a good chunk of cost reduction, the whole reason that people call nb op is that they have good burst, which is about what almost all nb skills are, put them in pve and crippling grasp is the only dot worth using in single dps.

Dks got some goodies, but still arent gonna dircetly triumph in pve wise, due to having to rely on fire damage, and the fact most magickal based damage proc of spell penetration instead of phys penetration, regardless if its stamina based. So goes for almost all ultis too.

Stam sorc really didnt get anything, and magicka sorc where pretty given a pat on the back by Zos (because theyll nerf stamina if people call it op, but magicka being called op, they put fingers in theyre ears and stare blanky into a screen), even aoe fragments was changed but remained magicka, because reasons.

Stam templars still only have biting jabs, hurling javelin is a joke, I have used toppling charge instead in pvp for the knockdown, and having the burning light effect scale to disease or poison if stamina is highest would be better for theyre damage than just more magickal damage.

All in all the problem is that the devs dont go trough what the damage skills scale off, and so most is just remnants of the magicka laced 1.5, still not being fully changed to meet what stamina scales off.

Ffastyl

Ffastyl wrote: »

The thing is, magical abilities have more utility than physical ones. It's magic, plain and simple. So when the two deal similar amounts of damage, magic wins over because it delivers more per cast. The way this was balanced in the past was to make physical deal more damage and cost less. We had an identity for both stats: Magicka provides utility and versatility and Stamina provides power and cost efficiency.

Adding abilities like Vigor moves Stamina closer to Magicka and boosting Magicka moves it closer to Stamina, ultimately making Stamina vs Magicka an aesthetic choice. So how do we make Stamina worthwhile without cloning Magicka? Reduce magical damage so physical is superior. Why not buff physical damage? Have you seen the TTK in Cyrodiil?

iosis13

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This Stam Nerf / Mag Buff is to huge!

Huggalump

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Some people forget PvP isnt the only aspect of this game.

yeah, there's still 4 man dungeons that can be pugged while playing clash of clans on your phone, and there's still a v16 trial out there i think?

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Think about how much easier this game would have been if you had a health stats, a damage building stat and a regen stat and then no differentiation between magicka and stamina.

Would have enabled a much more varied build option when you weren't railroaded into magika or stamina skill uses. And much easier to balance.

But no we had to have the skyrim stats even though they act far differently in this game and cause endless problems where this thread is just another of an endless stream.

Ffastyl

We could have had Oblivion or Morrowind's core stats that determined your Health, Magicka, Stamina and other things behind the scenes. Instead we have Skyrim's oversimplified and streamlined system. We're stuck working with it unless the Devs intend to Update ESO to 3.0 at some point, so might as well try to balance what we have.

Faulgor

Ffastyl wrote: »

We could have had Oblivion or Morrowind's core stats that determined your Health, Magicka, Stamina and other things behind the scenes. Instead we have Skyrim's oversimplified and streamlined system. We're stuck working with it unless the Devs intend to Update ESO to 3.0 at some point, so might as well try to balance what we have.

Exactly.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/240195/streamlining-eso