Long Live the Blobs!

Talcyndl

driosketch wrote: »

Am I reading inevitable's note right? It will now go off early if you purge it?

With the other combined changes, I don't think it will be worth it to slot purge at all. Going to have to teach people to hit x on purifying ritual instead.

This is one change that might have a positive impact.

Talcyndl

Sanct16 wrote: »

No way a 24 man group will be able to keep up in Ap gains with a good 6 man after the patch.

But that's not necessarily the choice for a lot of members of the blob groups. They might theoretically get more AP if they had a balanced group of 6 players fighting in a good spot. But it's easier to simply blob up, spam some AoEs, stick on crown and watch the AP numbers scroll by.

Talcyndl

One of the things I realized tonight is why there might be a disconnect about the blob groups and lag. For a lot of folks running in a medium to large sized group relying mostly on AoEs the lag can be annoying, but can often be played through. For me, relying on mostly single target skills and charge, while having to swap bars a good bit, the lag makes playing impossible.

I logged on tonight and, despite having a nice 10-12 person guild group running, I couldn't play and just quit group and logged out. It was too frustrating. I tried to fight a bow user and couldn't reliably switch to my defensive bar to reflect. For about 20 seconds I couldn't even target him because 'Tab' selected a section of the keep wall. When I finally could select the guy, my charge sent me into a rubber banding loop. Meantime, I watched a group of EP roll into the breach all spamming AoEs just fine.

Maybe ZOS is just trying to tell me something.

frozywozy

I think the steel tornado damage buff was to even out the buff to prox det so people don't all reroll magicka. But I still think it was the wrong approach. Steel Tornado and Prox det (on lot of players) damage overall is fine as it is. Prox det damage just needs to get nerfed against 5 players or less and then scale off 6 targets to a higher amount of players (up to 10-15) to deal maximum damage.

I am really digging the new changes to inevitable det and rapid maneuvers though. I am also happy that they changed the ressource damage from oil catapult / lightning balistas to a percentage instead of a flat amount.

God_flakes

Talcyndl wrote: »

One of the things I realized tonight is why there might be a disconnect about the blob groups and lag. For a lot of folks running in a medium to large sized group relying mostly on AoEs the lag can be annoying, but can often be played through. For me, relying on mostly single target skills and charge, while having to swap bars a good bit, the lag makes playing impossible.

I logged on tonight and, despite having a nice 10-12 person guild group running, I couldn't play and just quit group and logged out. It was too frustrating. I tried to fight a bow user and couldn't reliably switch to my defensive bar to reflect. For about 20 seconds I couldn't even target him because 'Tab' selected a section of the keep wall. When I finally could select the guy, my charge sent me into a rubber banding loop. Meantime, I watched a group of EP roll into the breach all spamming AoEs just fine.

Maybe ZOS is just trying to tell me something.

Yup. I'm in the same boat. I swap bars a lot and with the current lag it's darn near impossible prime time to ever swap once I am targeted and nearly 100% of the time I die because I can't swap to my utility bar and mitigate. It's amazing my keyboard and mouse are intact after 20 months of this chit.

Talcyndl

frozywozy wrote: »

I think the steel tornado damage buff was to even out the buff to prox det so people don't all reroll magicka. But I still think it was the wrong approach. Steel Tornado and Prox det (on lot of players) damage overall is fine as it is. Prox det damage just needs to get nerfed against 5 players or less and then scale off 6 targets to a higher amount of players (up to 10-15) to deal maximum damage.

I am really digging the new changes to inevitable det and rapid maneuvers though. I am also happy that they changed the ressource damage from oil catapult / lightning balistas to a percentage instead of a flat amount.

I think they should have done an overall AoE damage nerf - at least for Cyrodiil (Battle Spirit for AoEs). AoE damage is currently much too powerful. It has the inherent advantage of not requiring any targeting. So it works much better through lag. In contrast, single target abilities, especially ones that require a cast time, are inconsistent at best during lag.

I do like the inevitable detonation change. Maybe it will indirectly be the nerf to purge we hoped for.

I don't think the resource damage is going to have much effect. Players simply have too much regen at this point for it to matter much. We'll see though.

Satiar

Steel tornado irrelevant now. Meta is burst or die. prox bombs.

Rune_Relic

Yep... 6 target + Group only.

If you had 2x 24 man groups on the flag on that last emp keep both groups, would be taking care of 6/48+ and any PUGs that happened to join in.
Guaranteeing that the weakest of all 48+ in range would stay alive.
Now at best you will only protect 6/24.
So where Group 1 could cover group 2 + any other pugs in range...now they are on there own.

There is no mutual leeching anymore.
The weakest will die quick.
The total numbers will drop quick.

You cant hide in a sea of pugs and use them as a meatshield anymore.

MLRPZ

Well, since you still can rez in less than a second, I guess we're just gonna have to kill them 5 times each instead of 3