No CP PvP Campaigns

Takllin · February 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

People unwilling to put in the time, are the ones calling for no CP servers.... and these servers are destined to fail.

I hate the CP system, but it's here. There is no compromise, either ZOS accepts they are unbalanced and -removes- the CP system, period. Or, we deal with it. Having the "option" for no CP server is going to fail because I sure as hell am not going to gimp myself, and will immediately re-home another server.

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It's just a *** move by ZOS.

KenaPKK · February 2016

If you oppose or don't understand this decision, then congratulations, you are bad.

MisterBigglesworth · February 2016

Everyone who leaves Azura over this is a scrub and was always a scrub.

Takllin · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

If you oppose or don't understand this decision, then congratulations, you are bad.

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Everyone who leaves Azura over this is a scrub and was always a scrub.

Cause that's logic guys, amirite?

Talcyndl · February 2016

I just hope ZOS also includes a Naked Server. No gear - well, maybe a White Level 1 Weapon of your choice.

Kerioko · February 2016

Talcyndl wrote: »

I just hope ZOS also includes a Naked Server. No gear - well, maybe a White Level 1 Weapon of your choice.

That would be pretty cool, just white level 1 stuff with no stats or set bonuses meaning you are stuck to just your attribute points and skills!

Master_Kas · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

ZOS Headquater:

Wheeler: Guys how do we get ppl to spread out from azura?
Guy1: Ask them? Worked great when we did that with in terms of the blob meta!
Wheeler: ...
Guy2: Just make Azura no CP camp - who´s gonna remake their gear to play there?
Wheeler: THAT`S A BINGO!

Haha .

JaJaLuka · February 2016

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Many called for gated access to Imp City. ZOS put out a campaign granting the players' wish.... No one cared, it was a bust. Many been calling for no CP campaigns, a way to bring PvP back to the days before CP was around, and now you guys have issue with it because it's Azura Star? The complaint has been for a long time that ZOS never listens to the players. They have given the players what they ask for and then the players either don't care or take issue with it. Wtf?

I agree with you for the most part, however I think most people were calling for a no cp non-vet server, which is where this idea should have started imo.

Cody · February 2016

I personally dont mind it.

LegendaryChef · February 2016

CP should have never been brought into the game in the first place.

KenaPKK · February 2016

Takllin wrote: »

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KenaPKK wrote: »

If you oppose or don't understand this decision, then congratulations, you are bad.

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MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Everyone who leaves Azura over this is a scrub and was always a scrub.

Cause that's logic guys, amirite?

No argument needs to be made. The CP system imbalances PvP by giving everyone infinite resources and causing damage to favor stamina. Plain and simple. This is common consensus among good players. If you cling to CP, it's because you are bad.

That said, the majority of players will move to Haderus or Trueflame, so I expect those who do want to play in a limited CP campaign to do a lot of moving back and forth between there and Azura's.

zyk · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

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Takllin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

If you oppose or don't understand this decision, then congratulations, you are bad.

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Everyone who leaves Azura over this is a scrub and was always a scrub.

Cause that's logic guys, amirite?

No argument needs to be made. The CP system imbalances PvP by giving everyone infinite resources and causing damage to favor stamina. Plain and simple. This is common consensus among good players. If you cling to CP, it's because you are bad.

That said, the majority of players will move to Haderus or Trueflame, so I expect those who do want to play in a limited CP campaign to do a lot of moving back and forth between there and Azura's.

If large resource pools and regen are the problem--and I think they are part of the problem--then it is not necessarily the CP system that is to blame. The root cause is the underlying game systems and values that make this possible. The CP system only provides modifiers.

It's good to have the robust customization and progression system provided by the CP system. If I didn't want a progression system, I wouldn't play an RPG. It's par for the course. I have very much enjoyed the dimension the CP system adds to theorycrafting builds. I haven't stopped experimenting yet.

The true problem is that we play very large scale AvAvA PVP with gameplay fundamentally designed for 4-12 player instanced PVE. PVP should have its own modified ruleset and PVP optimized CP trees. This would not only result in better PVP gameplay, but gameplay could be designed in a way to prevent or significantly reduce lag.

Joy_Division · February 2016

Erondil wrote: »

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Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Many called for gated access to Imp City. ZOS put out a campaign granting the players' wish.... No one cared, it was a bust. Many been calling for no CP campaigns, a way to bring PvP back to the days before CP was around, and now you guys have issue with it because it's Azura Star? The complaint has been for a long time that ZOS never listens to the players. They have given the players what they ask for and then the players either don't care or take issue with it. Wtf?

The game is now balanced around cp, especially pvp (cough battlespirit cough) so pvp without cp wouldnt work unless zos introduces many gameplay change at the same time. Heck I preferred the game as it was without cp system but now its been there for so long it simply doesnt work without it.

100% true. A lot mechanics and bonuses were moved from the base game and locked into the champion system under the assumption that players would eventually get points and thus recoop them.

Much of the "no CP" call was directed at the entire Champion system altogether and a desire to go back to 1.5 when it did not exist. Having 2 separates games, with PvE end-game balanced around CPs and no a PvP with no CPs is certainly not what I ever asked for as it would require in essence two completely different builds - especially in a game like this where gear is a nightmare because of RNG and the obscene amount of crafting mats needed for end-game gear.

Takllin · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

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Takllin wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

If you oppose or don't understand this decision, then congratulations, you are bad.

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Everyone who leaves Azura over this is a scrub and was always a scrub.

Cause that's logic guys, amirite?

No argument needs to be made. The CP system imbalances PvP by giving everyone infinite resources and causing damage to favor stamina. Plain and simple. This is common consensus among good players. If you cling to CP, it's because you are bad.

That said, the majority of players will move to Haderus or Trueflame, so I expect those who do want to play in a limited CP campaign to do a lot of moving back and forth between there and Azura's.

CP is being fixed to a balanced state with this update. Whatever common consensus among good players in the current game as it is, is irrelevant as to what is on the PTS and going into the TG update.

I get why they chose Azura's to get the most people to test it as it's the most populated server, and Axe failed because it should have been every campaign instead of creating a new one that no one played, with that singular rule. It doesn't change the fact that it's a *** move by ZOS as the majority if not all of the regulars will move off of Azura's and some other campaign will become the same as what Azura's was before the switch.

So I still fail to see any logic behind opposing it, outside of an e-peen contest, trying to make yourself feel superior because you play on a no CP campaign. Congratulations. They could have made Axe or Trueflame the no CP campaign and anyone who wants to play with no CP can head over there and play.

@Erondil @Joy_Division @zyk great points made.

Stanko · February 2016

I have 501+ CP but I'm looking forward to trying out a non-CP campaign. It should limit burst-damage builds.

technohic · February 2016

Shoot. I forgot to download PTS overnight to check.

I'd play BWB and the vet no CP campaign. I take a lot of time off and I know I'm beaten more from lack of skill or experience than lack of CPs but that's enough going against me. No CPs is just one less thing. I just want to have fun and if that makes me a bad casual, then whatever.

sadownik · February 2016

The stupidity of this decision exceeds something that can be done accidentally. Its like Z. has a saboteur that is plotting their demise. Are they leaving CP on bwb and removing them from azura instead? Can someone please tell me that i got this wrong?

RinaldoGandolphi · February 2016

I think the Azura CP-less campaign will be great. I think it will be far more popular then folks thing and i bet its the only one that don't lag either due to not having to dso 6 times as many calcs as a CP campaign does.

im looking forward to playing a campaign where resource management matters, i see it as a fun challenge.

This is coming from someone who is just barely below the CP cap, i have never been a fan of the CP system to begin with so this new CP campaign is a breath of fresh air for me.

TheBull · February 2016

AS will be a ghost town.

Sharee · February 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

That said, the majority of players will move to Haderus or Trueflame, so I expect those who do want to play in a limited CP campaign to do a lot of moving back and forth between there and Azura's.

That would require to have two separate sets of equipment, because CP and no-CP won't be compatible. CP gear in no-CP campaign will be resource-starved, and non-CP gear in CP campaign will have too much regen and not enough damage.

I don't think many people will be willing to craft and maintain two separate gold-quality sets just to be able to move back and forth.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · February 2016

Sharee wrote: »

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KenaPKK wrote: »

That said, the majority of players will move to Haderus or Trueflame, so I expect those who do want to play in a limited CP campaign to do a lot of moving back and forth between there and Azura's.

I don't think many people will be willing to craft and maintain two separate gold-quality sets just to be able to move back and forth.

why not? What else is there to do? Seems like some new pvp opportunity.

MountainHound · February 2016

I don't know why people are against the removal. It will make for a fair battleground for new players.

Jules · February 2016

I wonder which camp will be Azura 2.0.

Mac10murda · February 2016

I wonder if the no champion point servers will run alot better because of not so many variables per player

Erondil · February 2016

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

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Sharee wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

That said, the majority of players will move to Haderus or Trueflame, so I expect those who do want to play in a limited CP campaign to do a lot of moving back and forth between there and Azura's.

I don't think many people will be willing to craft and maintain two separate gold-quality sets just to be able to move back and forth.

why not? What else is there to do? Seems like some new pvp opportunity.

If you dont know what to do with your gold you can send to me np, you know my ID

tengri · February 2016

MountainHound wrote: »

I don't know why people are against the removal. It will make for a fair battleground for new players.

No one wants a fair battleground in PvP... well, besides those new players of course.
Everyone else just wants more easy cannon fodder.

Erondil · February 2016

MountainHound wrote: »

I don't know why people are against the removal. It will make for a fair battleground for new players.

The CP cap already does that as most of PvPer reached it or are close to it. I'm all for a fair battleground and I preferred the game as it was pre 1.6, but now PvP is balanced around cp. Guess why they decided to increase battle spirit reduction up to 50%? TTK was pretty fine and ressource management was still a thing to care about early 1.6 when everybody had 70 cp.

eliisra · February 2016

TheBull wrote: »

AS will be a ghost town.

Think so to. Might be some new- and returning PvP'ers enjoying it sure, but mostly low/medium pop. I'm not against ZoS trying it out.

Problem is, the build, gear, mundus and attribute I use(likely many others) are based on having 501 CP. So for non-CP we need a completely new build, more cost reduction stuff, likely another set. I'm lazy and not made out of gold materials, VR16 mats and Kuta.

I naturally assume the non-CP or Azura's Star, will be quiet outside of primetime. Campaigns with different rules are never active morning or late night. So you cant avoid these practical issues. Active PvP'ers will have to jump to TF or Ebony for action. But over there you need a 300-500 CP build or get smashed. Making different setups for different campaigns multiple times a day seems a pain, why I doubt I will bother with it.

ToRelax · February 2016

Erondil wrote: »

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MountainHound wrote: »

I don't know why people are against the removal. It will make for a fair battleground for new players.

The CP cap already does that as most of PvPer reached it or are close to it. I'm all for a fair battleground and I preferred the game as it was pre 1.6, but now PvP is balanced around cp. Guess why they decided to increase battle spirit reduction up to 50%? TTK was pretty fine and ressource management was still a thing to care about early 1.6 when everybody had 70 cp.

Nah, with nerfs to BoL and dodge roll plus the need for more damage I run out of resources much easier than early 1.6. And the gap from 1.5 to 1.6 was immense at that.

Psilent · February 2016

Jules wrote: »

I wonder which camp will be Azura 2.0.

Trueflame.