Enable siege in sewers

FENGRUSH

Or remove . I prefer for the later of these 2 options, but you cant tell me to use siege on large groups because of and then not have siege enabled in sewers. Tried to report this issue last night, Im sorry @ZOS_BrianWheeler for the incomplete ticket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCdNDz8WcUA

Forestd16b14_ESO

Seriously please stop. Just stop.

OdinForge

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Seriously please stop. Just stop.

Keep preaching it FENGRUSH!

Bfish22090

wheels of steel isn't the problem here.
you just need to play with more players so you can kill them.
I hope 1 player cant solo a 16 man group

FENGRUSH

Bfish22090 wrote: »

wheels of steel isn't the problem here.
you just need to play with more players so you can kill them.
I hope 1 player cant solo a 16 man group

Not unless youre on Axe fighting AD PVErs. Its not even the point really.. its the matter of not having proper tools/mechanics in the game in that environment.

Makkir

How the hell would you fire a catapult in the sewers without it hitting the ceiling each time.....

How about one of those E-WEB mortar gun things the storm troopers used in star wars on hoth? That'd be sweet

Makkir

Come here @FENGRUSH I am waiting for you!

Yolokin_Swagonborn

I am glad we as a community haven't given up on this issue and continue to push for a real reply from ZOS as to why AOE caps are still in the game.

KenaPKK

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

kevlarto_ESO

How about a new line of mini siege, that's fits in the tunnels, what a disaster.. /shrug

I do agree AOE caps need to go.

Makkir

It has come to my attention that some of you are simply not aware

FENGRUSH

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

frozywozy

I think we need more barrels to hide in, not sieges enabled.

mertusta

I want to see a whole zerg squad hide in a barrel. And wtb ground oil.

heystreethawk

For nightblades, a barrel with leg holes pokin out the bottom so you can stand up and creep around in it a la Metal Gear Solid

Zheg

FENGRUSH wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

Siege is and always has been a dumb answer. I'd get on board for removing aoe caps since it's a weird artificial mechanic, but the caveat I'd want implemented would still probably be just as frustrating to you. If you remove aoe caps and allow a situation where 2-3 can wipe 16+ (even if they're bad, and I know there are a lot of groups like that), that doesn't just apply to your small man group. It really would just melt everyone trying to siege a keep and have larger scale fights, which is and always has been the emphasis for cyrodiil. So, the caveat I'd want in tandem with an aoe cap removal is a better balancing of the meta to stop some of the ridiculous damage numbers that are possible with a simple prox det + ult dump (and if that were implemented properly, you still wouldn't be able to wipe that group of 16 with 2-3 any easier, which has been your main gripe to begin with).

Just seems like a never-ending strawman argument to me. You want aoe caps removed, but doing that without also addressing the damage numbers would be moronic, and if they were addressed, you'd be back to square one and still struggling to wipe that many with so few.

On a side note, people still go to the sewers? o.O

frozywozy

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

Siege is and always has been a dumb answer. I'd get on board for removing aoe caps since it's a weird artificial mechanic, but the caveat I'd want implemented would still probably be just as frustrating to you. If you remove aoe caps and allow a situation where 2-3 can wipe 16+ (even if they're bad, and I know there are a lot of groups like that), that doesn't just apply to your small man group. It really would just melt everyone trying to siege a keep and have larger scale fights, which is and always has been the emphasis for cyrodiil. So, the caveat I'd want in tandem with an aoe cap removal is a better balancing of the meta to stop some of the ridiculous damage numbers that are possible with a simple prox det + ult dump (and if that were implemented properly, you still wouldn't be able to wipe that group of 16 with 2-3 any easier, which has been your main gripe to begin with).

Just seems like a never-ending strawman argument to me. You want aoe caps removed, but doing that without also addressing the damage numbers would be moronic, and if they were addressed, you'd be back to square one and still struggling to wipe that many with so few.

On a side note, people still go to the sewers? o.O

People either go to the sewers or go play other games such as H1Z1 usually around 5:00pm EST when some guilds start rolling and the server becomes unplayable because of 100+ players on the screen at Chalman mine. At least it's what I've seen Sypher and Fengrush doing on stream repeatidly after getting frustrated with very long ability response.

Yiko

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

It's also totally realistic for people to be able to fit 150+ catapults in their backpacks

Roselle

Lol.

"Send in a ticket."

"...All right..."

RadioheadSh0t

FENGRUSH wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

IC is a PVP DLC? Could've fooled me...

gw2only1b14_ESO

Hmm interesting but yea its kinda confined and to think with all the gases ect down there its really a explosion hazard.


And that Molag ball battle well lets just say he sure deserves a treb to the face or a ballista to the nads right?

revonine

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

The last story quest in IC took place in the sewers and had you manning a ballista.

FENGRUSH

Still trying to fix the siege in IC to work properly. #NoETA

Minno

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Still trying to fix the siege in IC to work properly. #NoETA

Would go faster if DC and EP would /hammer to help

Didgerion

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

Siege is and always has been a dumb answer. I'd get on board for removing aoe caps since it's a weird artificial mechanic, but the caveat I'd want implemented would still probably be just as frustrating to you. If you remove aoe caps and allow a situation where 2-3 can wipe 16+ (even if they're bad, and I know there are a lot of groups like that), that doesn't just apply to your small man group. It really would just melt everyone trying to siege a keep and have larger scale fights, which is and always has been the emphasis for cyrodiil. So, the caveat I'd want in tandem with an aoe cap removal is a better balancing of the meta to stop some of the ridiculous damage numbers that are possible with a simple prox det + ult dump (and if that were implemented properly, you still wouldn't be able to wipe that group of 16 with 2-3 any easier, which has been your main gripe to begin with).

Just seems like a never-ending strawman argument to me. You want aoe caps removed, but doing that without also addressing the damage numbers would be moronic, and if they were addressed, you'd be back to square one and still struggling to wipe that many with so few.

On a side note, people still go to the sewers? o.O

The numbers in a real war bring as many disadvantages as advantages.

If a group of 50 men will act dumb then my group of 4 men will take all of them down in seconds with no casualties.

If there is a group of 50 men there then they should be aware of their weaknesses and the commander should be a genius to be able effectively coordinate that group. That 50 men group has to have scouts, a small intervention team that will deal with small threats that can wipe the group (like @FENGRUSH for example) and so much more.

The ball group as you see it in Cyrodiil nowadays would be the weakest structure in a real war......but for some reason those ball groups are invincible.

Bfish22090

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

wheels of steel isn't the problem here.
you just need to play with more players so you can kill them.
I hope 1 player cant solo a 16 man group

Not unless youre on Axe fighting AD PVErs. Its not even the point really.. its the matter of not having proper tools/mechanics in the game in that environment.

aoe caps need to go i agree
but siege in the sewres is not a good idea
its too narrow and npcs would melt, especially with the new siege changes coming in thieves guild

Alucardo

Fengrush, I've stood by you and agreed with a lot of things you've said, but siege in the sewers? Come on man wtf. I go to the IC to get away from that crap. I know AOE caps are bad, but they be messing with your wiring.

P.S. The dishonourable duel made me laugh so hard I think I snorted.

FENGRUSH

Bfish22090 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

wheels of steel isn't the problem here.
you just need to play with more players so you can kill them.
I hope 1 player cant solo a 16 man group

Not unless youre on Axe fighting AD PVErs. Its not even the point really.. its the matter of not having proper tools/mechanics in the game in that environment.

aoe caps need to go i agree
but siege in the sewres is not a good idea
its too narrow and npcs would melt, especially with the new siege changes coming in thieves guild

Not actually advocating for siege - the point is show the only tool they are putting in to fight large groups and suggesting us to use is not actually allowed in sewers. So when we fight 24 people and our alliance has 4 people in sewers, what are we supposed to do? Just leave?

Is this what ZOS wants? Or do they want to make a game that is a bit more balanced as it used to be instead of scaled simply to those who have the greater numbers (in every single respect).

FENGRUSH

Alucardo wrote: »

Fengrush, I've stood by you and agreed with a lot of things you've said, but siege in the sewers? Come on man wtf. I go to the IC to get away from that crap. I know AOE caps are bad, but they be messing with your wiring.

P.S. The dishonourable duel made me laugh so hard I think I snorted.

Read the last reply! Some already got this - I cant just make ANOTHER aoe caps thread. Sometimes you have to do it a little differently.

Faugaun

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

Siege is and always has been a dumb answer. I'd get on board for removing aoe caps since it's a weird artificial mechanic, but the caveat I'd want implemented would still probably be just as frustrating to you. If you remove aoe caps and allow a situation where 2-3 can wipe 16+ (even if they're bad, and I know there are a lot of groups like that), that doesn't just apply to your small man group. It really would just melt everyone trying to siege a keep and have larger scale fights, which is and always has been the emphasis for cyrodiil. So, the caveat I'd want in tandem with an aoe cap removal is a better balancing of the meta to stop some of the ridiculous damage numbers that are possible with a simple prox det + ult dump (and if that were implemented properly, you still wouldn't be able to wipe that group of 16 with 2-3 any easier, which has been your main gripe to begin with).

Just seems like a never-ending strawman argument to me. You want aoe caps removed, but doing that without also addressing the damage numbers would be moronic, and if they were addressed, you'd be back to square one and still struggling to wipe that many with so few.

On a side note, people still go to the sewers? o.O

The numbers in a real war bring as many disadvantages as advantages.

If a group of 50 men will act dumb then my group of 4 men will take all of them down in seconds with no casualties.

If there is a group of 50 men there then they should be aware of their weaknesses and the commander should be a genius to be able effectively coordinate that group. That 50 man group has to have scouts, a small intervention team that will deal with small threats that can wipe the group (like @FENGRUSH for example) and so much more.

The ball group as you see it in Cyrodiil nowadays would be the weakest structure in a real war......but for some reason those ball groups are invincible.

My ball hit your ball....it hurt....

FENGRUSH

Faugaun wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Because it's totally realistic for people to set up siege engines in underground sewer tunnels.

We need AoE caps removed. Fengrush knows that's the point of this post, not to get siege enabled in the sewers. He's drawing us in with the drama he's gotten himself known for.

Get yourself some pocket proxidetors dude. Join the zerg. Beeee the zeeerrrg.

Pretty much (and I cant just make another remove AOE caps thread, theyd be directed to Wrobels forum which has a total of like 3 posts ever from him) - its just the whole 'siege is the answer' logic doesnt work in the only PVP DLC which often has the same issue you can face out in cyro.


need to go!

Siege is and always has been a dumb answer. I'd get on board for removing aoe caps since it's a weird artificial mechanic, but the caveat I'd want implemented would still probably be just as frustrating to you. If you remove aoe caps and allow a situation where 2-3 can wipe 16+ (even if they're bad, and I know there are a lot of groups like that), that doesn't just apply to your small man group. It really would just melt everyone trying to siege a keep and have larger scale fights, which is and always has been the emphasis for cyrodiil. So, the caveat I'd want in tandem with an aoe cap removal is a better balancing of the meta to stop some of the ridiculous damage numbers that are possible with a simple prox det + ult dump (and if that were implemented properly, you still wouldn't be able to wipe that group of 16 with 2-3 any easier, which has been your main gripe to begin with).

Just seems like a never-ending strawman argument to me. You want aoe caps removed, but doing that without also addressing the damage numbers would be moronic, and if they were addressed, you'd be back to square one and still struggling to wipe that many with so few.

On a side note, people still go to the sewers? o.O

The numbers in a real war bring as many disadvantages as advantages.

If a group of 50 men will act dumb then my group of 4 men will take all of them down in seconds with no casualties.

If there is a group of 50 men there then they should be aware of their weaknesses and the commander should be a genius to be able effectively coordinate that group. That 50 man group has to have scouts, a small intervention team that will deal with small threats that can wipe the group (like @FENGRUSH for example) and so much more.

The ball group as you see it in Cyrodiil nowadays would be the weakest structure in a real war......but for some reason those ball groups are invincible.

My ball hit your ball....it lagged....