How much do you value a good healer?
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vCoA can be healed by a single magicka-NB (without even thinking about healing)...better find another example.Noobplar0 -
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I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
this^^^
a good healer isn't just rays of sunshine, bust out the destroy staff and throw down some weaves, pop meteors, debuffs.
a healer cant fix stupid either, if your gonna stay in the red, expect no miracles.
as weird as it sounds its like running show, you need two ppl running it..
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I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
He just said you need about two skills to heal a dungeon. He never made a serious statement what a healer should do in between...4 -
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You're actually triggering me
Are you kidding me? I'm totally against people who just heal, unless its pvp then sure but pve is so easy,
I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
you should read my signature and check out my videos, this is dumb
Maybe you should learn to use your words better to explain what you mean then, all I got from you is you're a two button spam healbot, who'll probably get his group killed and otherwise doesn't contribute to the group much at all.
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Well I mean, I use Repentance for my self in my normal rotation which is the easiest way to time it instead of having people tell you, and I use shards for damage so I didn't include those.
(you should probably check the links in my signature and watch some of my videos)
I'm totally on Nifty's side. All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only. The rest of the time can be used to support and do dmg. Good healers will run elemental drain, shards (AOE dmg and stun), repentance (AOE heal), aggressive war horn (best group ultimate), purifying light (single target dmg, hot) /reflective light one of those for the 5% spell dmg, maybe magicka orbs if the tank doesn't use them.
In my opinion there are two kinds of bad healers: the ones that let people die to dmg that could have been healed and the ones that do nothing but healing. Only for trials you need a pure healer using a resto staff. All the dungeons everyone will have an easier time if the healer also knows how to do good DPS. A good healer knows when he/she has to heal and when there is time to do dmg.
Fun fact: if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons (except ICP, there could a healer be useful).
Ye sure BoL Spam will work...but ppl are pissed of how he entered the discussion..be like "Guys L2p and read my signature and pls gtfo"
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Well I mean, I use Repentance for my self in my normal rotation which is the easiest way to time it instead of having people tell you, and I use shards for damage so I didn't include those.
(you should probably check the links in my signature and watch some of my videos)
I'm totally on Nifty's side. All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only. The rest of the time can be used to support and do dmg. Good healers will run elemental drain, shards (AOE dmg and stun), repentance (AOE heal), aggressive war horn (best group ultimate), purifying light (single target dmg, hot) /reflective light one of those for the 5% spell dmg, maybe magicka orbs if the tank doesn't use them.
In my opinion there are two kinds of bad healers: the ones that let people die to dmg that could have been healed and the ones that do nothing but healing. Only for trials you need a pure healer using a resto staff. All the dungeons everyone will have an easier time if the healer also knows how to do good DPS. A good healer knows when he/she has to heal and when there is time to do dmg.
Fun fact: if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons (except ICP, there could a healer be useful).
You said all healers have to use is BoL... and then wrote paragraphs about everything else they do. Are you getting enough sleep lately?2 -
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I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
He just said you need about two skills to heal a dungeon. He never made a serious statement what a healer should do in between...
He argued against what the rest of us were saying about complexity of healer role, which effectively means he meant what he said - that he only uses a couple of heal skills and otherwise sits on his hands being entirely useless to the group.Edited by babylon on January 31, 2016 11:20AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am an end gamer raider / serious progress player so my play styles i follow meta and/or create them for other templars/groups so pretty much I stay kind of up to date with everything so when I say how easy it is to heal a dungeon it really is easy, then again i understand this is not a common thing but to "heal" i only use repentance and breath of life. Everything else includes buffs/debuffs but that's not what this is about, it's about healing.
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Breath of Life is only an emergency heal with limited radius.All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only.
A healer uses this as the last option to heal,
especially in large dungeons/arenas where you do not want to run back and forth.
Run without a healer then. At best without a Tank as well,if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons.
because without a Healer's shards the Tank won't have enough Stamina.
Some posts here are unbelievable. Yes, playing NB is easy mode.
But NBs should better not think that playing healer/tank is so easy as well.
Edited by BalticBlues on January 31, 2016 11:27AM1 -
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Actually I said it's easy to heal. Nothing about healing means buffing the group/dps. That's just the current meta
Well I mean, I use Repentance for my self in my normal rotation which is the easiest way to time it instead of having people tell you, and I use shards for damage so I didn't include those.
(you should probably check the links in my signature and watch some of my videos)
I'm totally on Nifty's side. All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only. The rest of the time can be used to support and do dmg. Good healers will run elemental drain, shards (AOE dmg and stun), repentance (AOE heal), aggressive war horn (best group ultimate), purifying light (single target dmg, hot) /reflective light one of those for the 5% spell dmg, maybe magicka orbs if the tank doesn't use them.
In my opinion there are two kinds of bad healers: the ones that let people die to dmg that could have been healed and the ones that do nothing but healing. Only for trials you need a pure healer using a resto staff. All the dungeons everyone will have an easier time if the healer also knows how to do good DPS. A good healer knows when he/she has to heal and when there is time to do dmg.
Fun fact: if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons (except ICP, there could a healer be useful).
Ye sure BoL Spam will work...but ppl are pissed of how he entered the discussion..be like "Guys L2p and read my signature and pls gtfo"
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Iove✭✭✭✭I am an end gamer raider / serious progress player so my play styles i follow meta and/or create them for other templars/groups so pretty much I stay kind of up to date with everything so when I say how easy it is to heal a dungeon it really is easy, then again i understand this is not a common thing but to "heal" i only use repentance and breath of life. Everything else includes buffs/debuffs but that's not what this is about, it's about healing.
That's what you've misunderstood. We are talking about the healer role, not the healing abilities.
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Again, I know how to heal - I've been raiding seriously and healing for over 2 years.
But you are mixing the current meta with the term healing#MOREORBS1 -
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Again, I know how to heal - I've been raiding seriously and healing for over 2 years.
But you are mixing the current meta with the term healing
At this point you should be thinking about dancing off the stage.
Read what we are trying to gently explain to you, above. You misunderstood the thread.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Let me answer the OP,yes i value a great healer,my characters life depends on them for the most part.3 -
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Again, I know how to heal - I've been raiding seriously and healing for over 2 years.
But you are mixing the current meta with the term healing
Look mate. I've been healing for over 9 years. The healer role has never, not in any game, just been about spamming heal abilities and nothing more. The meta that you speak of, has always just been common sense to me.
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Again, I know how to heal - I've been raiding seriously and healing for over 2 years.
But you are mixing the current meta with the term healing
At this point you should be thinking about dancing off the stage.
Read what we are trying to gently explain to you, above. You misunderstood the thread.
lol there's no reasoning with em, they decided to make this innocuous post an argument and that's it.4 -
Oldmanlawlor✭✭✭✭I love playing as my healer, I have him set up so well (in my opinion) that I can cast rushed ceremony thirteen times back to back without running out of magica, and that's wthout using a magica potion.
However, one thing I can say from my experience on Xbox, I often get complemented right thru a veteran dungeon and once we get to the boss, on no less than three occasions now, I hear something like 'we need more DPS on the final boss so kick the healer now and bring in X from the guild'.
That's my only issue with it.4 -
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send a message or friend add i'll show you in game. simple as thatEdited by Nifty2g on January 31, 2016 11:36AM#MOREORBS1 -
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✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »Playing such a dumb "healing bot" won't get a group through veteran dungeons like CoA.
Yes, NBs are OP in healing and DPS, but this won't help a Tank's stamina.vCoA can be healed by a single magicka-NB (without even thinking about healing)...better find another example.
Yes, 4 NBs can do any dungeon, needing no healer and no tank, showing how OP this class is.
Yes, NBs are so OP that many perceive support classes as superflous servants.
No, I do not think the game will be more fun as soon as 90% of people will play NB.
Edited by BalticBlues on January 31, 2016 11:41AM4 -
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✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »
Breath of Life is only an emergency heal with limited radius.All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only.
A healer uses this as the last option to heal,
especially in large dungeons/arenas where you do not want to run back and forth.
Run without a healer then. At best without a Tank as well,if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons.
because without a Healer's shards the Tank won't have enough Stamina.
Some posts here are unbelievable. Yes, playing NB is easy mode.
But NBs should better not think that playing healer/tank is so easy as well.
I play all classes, and Nightblades can think that it's easy, bc it is. You don't need a temp-heal if the tank knows how to manage his ressources. I usually don't need any shards when tanking.
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Are you kidding me? I'm totally against people who just heal, unless its pvp then sure but pve is so easy,
I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
you should read my signature and check out my videos, this is dumb
Not sure if you're trolling or being sarcastic.
You know healers have to dps as well as keep an eye on group health, sustain the groups stamina and magicka plus do everything mechanic wise that a dps needs to do.
Maybe its fine for you bc you constantly have 3 top dps to play with and can avoid most mechanics and don't have to heal much.
Life for an normal healer who does not have the privilege of solid dps and has to not only keep everyone alive but pull ppl up from the dirt all the time looks a bit different.
I for one am glad to just dps instead of doing 8k dps and heal and be the scapegoat if anything that goes wrong.- Templars: Slower by Design® -3 -
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add me to your group, i'll be happy to show you. i don't mind
Are you kidding me? I'm totally against people who just heal, unless its pvp then sure but pve is so easy,
I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
you should read my signature and check out my videos, this is dumb
Not sure if you're trolling or being sarcastic.
You know healers have to dps as well as keep an eye on group health, sustain the groups stamina and magicka plus do everything mechanic wise that a dps needs to do.
Maybe its fine for you bc you constantly have 3 top dps to play with and can avoid most mechanics and don't have to heal much.
Life for an normal healer who does not have the privilege of solid dps and has to not only keep everyone alive but pull ppl up from the dirt all the time looks a bit different.
I for one am glad to just dps instead of doing 8k dps and heal and be the scapegoat if anything that goes wrong.
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✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »
CPs/Gear ist set for dpsing...everything you need is ~75 in blockcostreduction. NBs/DKs have some good ways to keep up their stam while blocking. I agree, it's hard for temp/sorc tanks to keep up their stam when tanking. But for good nb or dk tanks it shouldn't be a problem.
CPs aren't the problem, game was already easy when CP were introduced. Problem is, ZOS is nerfing content into Oblivion bc people cry how hard it is and that they cannot do it in first attempt with a PUG-group.Noobplar0 -
kenpachi480✭✭✭breath of life is not the skill to go
most trials end boss when they got tiny health left, healers are best of with healing springs or Remembrance
a good healer in my opinion needs only 3 skills and all the endgame passives you can find
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-Breath of Life (for emergency healing, when one person drops down 70% of his health all of the sudden)
-Healing Springs (low magicka cost, with magica regen above 1800, you wont notice it even, use that skill for overall health management of your group, a good healer can keep it up 24/7)
-Restoring aura (during battle mobs will die, take their soul and turn it into stamina, with no cost,. DKS will beg for it because they cant self sustain, and Stamina NBs will kill themselves if they don't get it either (you can slot extra spearshards (illuminous shards morph) for the real needy ones
with this you can beat all challenges,. I know I did and people often ask for my services, which in turn I provide for free
for pvp I got more risky one but it demands you are in group and got a good crown to follow
-breath of life (emergency healing)
-Healing springs (stick 2 meter behind group and circle should always be on top of the majority (again you need a good pvp group)
-Purge (efficient purge morph for lower cost) fear, fire, slow down effects and some more statuses can be constantly purged your leader will thank you for using it)
-Spell Symmetry (this skill should not be on your bar as a healer, if you got it, and can work with it without die-ing in pvp while using it, you may call yourself a elite healer, not going to give tips on this one,. just a goal to achieve)
-magelight (for extra critical procs and extra magicka,)Pain and Dead are the cost to the enjoyment of Battle
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Well I mean, I use Repentance for my self in my normal rotation which is the easiest way to time it instead of having people tell you, and I use shards for damage so I didn't include those.
(you should probably check the links in my signature and watch some of my videos)
I'm totally on Nifty's side. All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only. The rest of the time can be used to support and do dmg. Good healers will run elemental drain, shards (AOE dmg and stun), repentance (AOE heal), aggressive war horn (best group ultimate), purifying light (single target dmg, hot) /reflective light one of those for the 5% spell dmg, maybe magicka orbs if the tank doesn't use them.
In my opinion there are two kinds of bad healers: the ones that let people die to dmg that could have been healed and the ones that do nothing but healing. Only for trials you need a pure healer using a resto staff. All the dungeons everyone will have an easier time if the healer also knows how to do good DPS. A good healer knows when he/she has to heal and when there is time to do dmg.
Fun fact: if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons (except ICP, there could a healer be useful).
You said all healers have to use is BoL... and then wrote paragraphs about everything else they do. Are you getting enough sleep lately?
I'm not sure if it's me who has to sleep... I said the only thing you need to HEAL a dungeon is BoL. The rest is optional and can be done by other group members if needed.BalticBlues wrote: »
Breath of Life is only an emergency heal with limited radius.All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only.
A healer uses this as the last option to heal,
especially in large dungeons/arenas where you do not want to run back and forth.
Run without a healer then. At best without a Tank as well,if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons.
because without a Healer's shards the Tank won't have enough Stamina.
Some posts here are unbelievable. Yes, playing NB is easy mode.
But NBs should better not think that playing healer/tank is so easy as well.
Oh that's actually what we are doing. I tanked vWGT on my NB with my DPS gear (5xTBS, 1 Kena, 3 Willpower (spell dmg), 3 Torug, S&B / dual wield, 5 light/1/1). That makes about 10k DPS and HPS while tanking. No other healer needed, you can easily sustain your stamina even in light armor as a NB. I also tanked vWGT and vICP on my sorc in light armor using overload on the bosses and pressing hardened ward from time to time. You don't need a healer nor a real tank for most of the dungeons one magicka NB can easily do the healers job while tanking.2