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How much do you value a good healer?
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I had someone offer to pay me to be on call for healing after I helped his group with Valkyn Skoria. I obviously accepted and got 10k for my time to start.
This made me get to thinking, how many people are lacking a grade A healer for their team? I know before I made my healer, I was struggling with group content because I couldnt find a healer.
Is finding a good healer just a console problem? or do PC people have trouble with this too?
Edited by Thorn416 on January 31, 2016 10:22AM This made me get to thinking, how many people are lacking a grade A healer for their team? I know before I made my healer, I was struggling with group content because I couldnt find a healer.
Is finding a good healer just a console problem? or do PC people have trouble with this too?
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Iove✭✭✭✭I play healer on PC, EU. Sometimes when I start something with a group I get a lot of comments like finally, we have been waiting / looking for a healer for an hour etc.2 -
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✭✭The problem is usually blamed on the healer even when it's a fail tank issue, or dps who like to get themselves killed.
It's hard being a healer. Lots of people would rather not take on that role because of all the above, and being dps is so easy assuming the bad ones have people to carry them through their mistakes (good healer/good tank).Edited by babylon on January 31, 2016 10:26AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭must be hard to press your breath of life button, if only i knew it was worth 10k to do that#MOREORBS7 -
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✭✭It's hard to find healers, especially good healers, on PC aswell. If you only want someone who spams healing springs/BoL on you, you will find someone rly fast. But a good healer does more:
- helping with resourcemanagement (ele-drain, spearsshards, orbs, repentance, siphon spirit)
- Buffing your group (combat prayer, aggressive warhorn, maybe spellpower cure, minor sorcery)
- doing some damage inbetween
and of course, keeps his group alive ;-)
I know it's a lot of work for the healer, but it's possible and makes dungeonruns a lot easier.Noobplar12 -
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✭I treasure it more now that Ive started pugging dungeons with my own. Being a good healer is way, way harder than a DD.I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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Oh look, Anook.7 -
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Realise I've been playing Templar for almost 2 years + the extra months I've had healing on my Sorcerer before I got into it
You just got /booted
Purify + Breath of Life is all you need to do, please tell me how that is hard to do
In PvE, healing is so easy it's fool proof, PvP healing raids/zergs/medium groups is a bit harder to do since you actually need to spec for survival and a lot of regen but PvE? No way.Edited by Nifty2g on January 31, 2016 10:38AM#MOREORBS4 -
Iove✭✭✭✭It's hard to find healers, especially good healers, on PC aswell. If you only want someone who spams healing springs/BoL on you, you will find someone rly fast. But a good healer does more:
- helping with resourcemanagement (ele-drain, spearsshards, orbs, repentance, siphon spirit)
- Buffing your group (combat prayer, aggressive warhorn, maybe spellpower cure, minor sorcery)
- doing some damage inbetween
and of course, keeps his group alive ;-)
I know it's a lot of work for the healer, but it's possible and makes dungeonruns a lot easier.
Don't forget crowd control, a big part of doing healing role also. Stuns via Nova. And interrupting healers and spellcasters/archers to help group.
Dealing damage when it's crucial because usually my DDs don't know that they have to kill the adds/orbs or whatever boss mechanic when some of them will heal the boss but my DDs still stay on boss... Sigh. So I do their job too and no one even notices.
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Well I mean, I use Repentance for my self in my normal rotation which is the easiest way to time it instead of having people tell you, and I use shards for damage so I didn't include those.
(you should probably check the links in my signature and watch some of my videos)
Edited by Nifty2g on January 31, 2016 10:41AM#MOREORBS0 -
Alorier✭✭✭✭I would also put repetance on your bar , having played both healer and tank as I have no real dps and been blamed for the fail because the tank or dps don't really know where to stand , all I would say is all these peeps that moan build a healer or tank and give it a go , I actually tell randoms that ask if I'm a healer that I'm not as I don't want the hassle
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✭✭nicab16_ESO wrote: »It's hard to find healers, especially good healers, on PC aswell. If you only want someone who spams healing springs/BoL on you, you will find someone rly fast. But a good healer does more:
- helping with resourcemanagement (ele-drain, spearsshards, orbs, repentance, siphon spirit)
- Buffing your group (combat prayer, aggressive warhorn, maybe spellpower cure, minor sorcery)
- doing some damage inbetween
and of course, keeps his group alive ;-)
I know it's a lot of work for the healer, but it's possible and makes dungeonruns a lot easier.
Don't forget crowd control, a big part of doing healing role also. Stuns via Nova. And interrupting healers and spellcasters/archers to help group.
Dealing damage when it's crucial because usually my DDs don't know that they have to kill the adds/orbs or whatever boss mechanic when some of them will heal the boss but my DDs still stay on boss... Sigh. So I do their job too and no one even notices.
I only use Nova on big groups when the tank has his warhorn up. If not, you will use warhorn.
Regarding DPSing...what else should i do if all buffs are up and group is at full health? Overhealing??
Btw...bossmechanics??Noobplar0 -
Iove✭✭✭✭nicab16_ESO wrote: »It's hard to find healers, especially good healers, on PC aswell. If you only want someone who spams healing springs/BoL on you, you will find someone rly fast. But a good healer does more:
- helping with resourcemanagement (ele-drain, spearsshards, orbs, repentance, siphon spirit)
- Buffing your group (combat prayer, aggressive warhorn, maybe spellpower cure, minor sorcery)
- doing some damage inbetween
and of course, keeps his group alive ;-)
I know it's a lot of work for the healer, but it's possible and makes dungeonruns a lot easier.
Don't forget crowd control, a big part of doing healing role also. Stuns via Nova. And interrupting healers and spellcasters/archers to help group.
Dealing damage when it's crucial because usually my DDs don't know that they have to kill the adds/orbs or whatever boss mechanic when some of them will heal the boss but my DDs still stay on boss... Sigh. So I do their job too and no one even notices.
I only use Nova on big groups when the tank has his warhorn up. If not, you will use warhorn.
Regarding DPSing...what else should i do if all buffs are up and group is at full health? Overhealing??
Btw...bossmechanics??
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just adding some more
I pretty much have Nova on my bar all the time though
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Fuzzybrick✭✭✭There are a lot of good healers out there, it's the tanking and dps that make a difference. If you can't kill the boss the healer can't keep you alive forever. And stay outta red and block. Can't heal through 30,000 damage."A TROLL, HUH? WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE SOLUTION FOR THAT, DESTROY ALL THE BRIDGES IN THE WORLD!"-- Uncle Grandpa
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VR 16 Magicka Templar
VR 16 Magicka NB
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VR 16 Stamina Sorc
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✭✭nicab16_ESO wrote: »nicab16_ESO wrote: »It's hard to find healers, especially good healers, on PC aswell. If you only want someone who spams healing springs/BoL on you, you will find someone rly fast. But a good healer does more:
- helping with resourcemanagement (ele-drain, spearsshards, orbs, repentance, siphon spirit)
- Buffing your group (combat prayer, aggressive warhorn, maybe spellpower cure, minor sorcery)
- doing some damage inbetween
and of course, keeps his group alive ;-)
I know it's a lot of work for the healer, but it's possible and makes dungeonruns a lot easier.
Don't forget crowd control, a big part of doing healing role also. Stuns via Nova. And interrupting healers and spellcasters/archers to help group.
Dealing damage when it's crucial because usually my DDs don't know that they have to kill the adds/orbs or whatever boss mechanic when some of them will heal the boss but my DDs still stay on boss... Sigh. So I do their job too and no one even notices.
I only use Nova on big groups when the tank has his warhorn up. If not, you will use warhorn.
Regarding DPSing...what else should i do if all buffs are up and group is at full health? Overhealing??
Btw...bossmechanics??
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just adding some more
I pretty much have Nova on my bar all the time though
I'd rather slot meteor for the extra magicka/regen. You won't use those ultimates usually, so it's better to look at the passives.Noobplar2 -
Iove✭✭✭✭nicab16_ESO wrote: »nicab16_ESO wrote: »It's hard to find healers, especially good healers, on PC aswell. If you only want someone who spams healing springs/BoL on you, you will find someone rly fast. But a good healer does more:
- helping with resourcemanagement (ele-drain, spearsshards, orbs, repentance, siphon spirit)
- Buffing your group (combat prayer, aggressive warhorn, maybe spellpower cure, minor sorcery)
- doing some damage inbetween
and of course, keeps his group alive ;-)
I know it's a lot of work for the healer, but it's possible and makes dungeonruns a lot easier.
Don't forget crowd control, a big part of doing healing role also. Stuns via Nova. And interrupting healers and spellcasters/archers to help group.
Dealing damage when it's crucial because usually my DDs don't know that they have to kill the adds/orbs or whatever boss mechanic when some of them will heal the boss but my DDs still stay on boss... Sigh. So I do their job too and no one even notices.
I only use Nova on big groups when the tank has his warhorn up. If not, you will use warhorn.
Regarding DPSing...what else should i do if all buffs are up and group is at full health? Overhealing??
Btw...bossmechanics??
Oh I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just adding some more
I pretty much have Nova on my bar all the time though
I'd rather slot meteor for the extra magicka/regen. You won't use those ultimates usually, so it's better to look at the passives.
1. This is off-topic now.
2. I didn't say I never change my ultimates, I do. I was using Nova as an example of the massive CC we can do.
3. Stop attacking people who are supporting your point.0 -
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✭It's a lot harder to find a tank, objectively speaking. Both in guilds and zones.
On my derp tank I get groups instantly. On my perfectly created BiS everywhere Spellpower Cure healer with every single skill available, I'm no way near as popular lol.
No clue why, because all classes can tank dungeons successfully. So there should be more tanks with 4/4 classes available. But all classes cant keep total pug rejects alive, only templar healers can carry disaster groups. Pugs knows this, so they want a templar. Should logically be harder to find healer because of class restrictions. But it's not.
So there's basically more templar healers around in PvE than overall amount of tanks any class
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Well I mean, I use Repentance for my self in my normal rotation which is the easiest way to time it instead of having people tell you, and I use shards for damage so I didn't include those.
(you should probably check the links in my signature and watch some of my videos)
I'm totally on Nifty's side. All dungeons can be healed with breath of life only. The rest of the time can be used to support and do dmg. Good healers will run elemental drain, shards (AOE dmg and stun), repentance (AOE heal), aggressive war horn (best group ultimate), purifying light (single target dmg, hot) /reflective light one of those for the 5% spell dmg, maybe magicka orbs if the tank doesn't use them.
In my opinion there are two kinds of bad healers: the ones that let people die to dmg that could have been healed and the ones that do nothing but healing. Only for trials you need a pure healer using a resto staff. All the dungeons everyone will have an easier time if the healer also knows how to do good DPS. A good healer knows when he/she has to heal and when there is time to do dmg.
Fun fact: if you have one good magicka NB with funnel health and sap essence in your group you won't need a healer at all for most of the vet dungeons (except ICP, there could a healer be useful).2 -
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Playing such a dumb "healing bot" won't get a group through veteran dungeons like CoA.Purify + Breath of Life is all you need to do, please tell me how that is hard to do
I often find it absurd how DDs talk about healers and tanks.
Some seem to perceive healers and tanks as dumb bots to serve them.
These are usually the people where I have problems keeping them alive.
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I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.3 -
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Are you kidding me? I'm totally against people who just heal, unless its pvp then sure but pve is so easy,
I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
you should read my signature and check out my videos, this is dumb#MOREORBS2 -
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Are you kidding me? I'm totally against people who just heal, unless its pvp then sure but pve is so easy,
I think you got it round wrong way, Nifty's side is saying to only use heal, everyone else is saying to dps/buff and whatnot inbetween.
you should read my signature and check out my videos, this is dumb
Maybe you should learn to use your words better to explain what you mean then, all I got from you is you're a two button spam healbot, who'll probably get his group killed and otherwise doesn't contribute to the group much at all.9
