End Game Stamina Nightblade Build- PvE DPS (Updated for Clockwork City)

Caffeinated_Dani

Daveheart wrote: »

@Caffeinated_Dani I'm sure Gill with have his own answer, but I'd personally just use it as a flex spot. In the next update the snare and delayed damage from the Undaunted webs skill, tangling webs or whatever, could have its uses; it seems to have a relatively high tooltip and provides another high damage synergy for teammates. I'm sure reaper's mark could also have plenty of use in certain engagements; the armor pen isn't necessary, but the major berserk upon killing a mob could help somethings. You could also potentially swap rearming trap to the bow bar and keep rending slashes available for single target fights for minimizing how often you need to swap loadouts.

In the end, I personally recommend just going out to earn enough AP to earn caltrops for yourself. With the significantly reduced AP requirements for the alliance skill line, it's not too tough. Plus you'll also earn vigor which is really important for any solo instances.

@Daveheart Yeah, but I'm DC, so most of the time i get zerged

Daveheart

Caffeinated_Dani wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

@Caffeinated_Dani I'm sure Gill with have his own answer, but I'd personally just use it as a flex spot. In the next update the snare and delayed damage from the Undaunted webs skill, tangling webs or whatever, could have its uses; it seems to have a relatively high tooltip and provides another high damage synergy for teammates. I'm sure reaper's mark could also have plenty of use in certain engagements; the armor pen isn't necessary, but the major berserk upon killing a mob could help somethings. You could also potentially swap rearming trap to the bow bar and keep rending slashes available for single target fights for minimizing how often you need to swap loadouts.

In the end, I personally recommend just going out to earn enough AP to earn caltrops for yourself. With the significantly reduced AP requirements for the alliance skill line, it's not too tough. Plus you'll also earn vigor which is really important for any solo instances.

@Daveheart Yeah, but I'm DC, so most of the time i get zerged

So am I, and so is Gilliam. Try joining up with one of the guilds. Worst case scenario you can slap a resto staff on and zerg surf whilst spamming rapid regen. Or just do it slowly with scout quests and repair kits. Either way, good luck.

Gilliamtherogue

Daveheart wrote: »

Caffeinated_Dani wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

@Caffeinated_Dani I'm sure Gill with have his own answer, but I'd personally just use it as a flex spot. In the next update the snare and delayed damage from the Undaunted webs skill, tangling webs or whatever, could have its uses; it seems to have a relatively high tooltip and provides another high damage synergy for teammates. I'm sure reaper's mark could also have plenty of use in certain engagements; the armor pen isn't necessary, but the major berserk upon killing a mob could help somethings. You could also potentially swap rearming trap to the bow bar and keep rending slashes available for single target fights for minimizing how often you need to swap loadouts.

In the end, I personally recommend just going out to earn enough AP to earn caltrops for yourself. With the significantly reduced AP requirements for the alliance skill line, it's not too tough. Plus you'll also earn vigor which is really important for any solo instances.

@Daveheart Yeah, but I'm DC, so most of the time i get zerged

So am I, and so is Gilliam. Try joining up with one of the guilds. Worst case scenario you can slap a resto staff on and zerg surf whilst spamming rapid regen. Or just do it slowly with scout quests and repair kits. Either way, good luck.

FOR THE COVENANT!

Turbatus

Caffeinated_Dani wrote: »

I don't have caltrops any other skill to use in its place?

Typically for group content I'll swap to sap essence if I see someone else using caltrops and I have faith in the heals. A little magika dump, a little heal, and major brutality. If I get a healer that really doesn't do anything, I'll use vigor instead.

(Btw @Gilliamtherogue .I'm finally pulling 22k on tank and spank bosses with my 217 cp! thanks! )

alex394053

They have reverted Bone Shield to its weak form again (scales off health). That is so sad.

Gilliamtherogue

alex394053 wrote: »

They have reverted Bone Shield to its weak form again (scales off health). That is so sad.

Yeah, they've change a little bit of stuff and I will be updated this as soon as the Patch Notes for DBH go to live, to keep the confusion to a minimum.

SanTii.92

Master Gilliam, a question regarding cp allocation. I could only get 2 Ma axes, sharp and precise, how many points should I slot on piercing? And what considerations should be made between trials and 4-man groups? I have no idea how to test this, thank you.

Gilliamtherogue

sAnn92 wrote: »

Master Gilliam, a question regarding cp allocation. I could only get 2 Ma axes, sharp and precise, how many points should I slot on piercing? And what considerations should be made between trials and 4-man groups? I have no idea how to test this, thank you.

If you run with mainly well organized 4 mans and trials that have armor debuffs and whatnot then no more than 20 points into Piercing. There isn't a real answer I can give, and it will change based on what's going on. Check my updated CP allocation link and try and adjust to that with what you will.

SanTii.92

Ok, how exactly we rotate now?! Am I supposed to cast a dot every rapid strike? I feel so lost, can't even weave rapid strikes correctly lol

Turbatus

@Gilliamtherogue

Same boat as the guy above me.... no idea how to weave rapid... my bs rotation mammoths give me 13k with rapid, 18k with SA. No idea how to weave it. (Leki daggers still)

And my crit feels lower despite having more cp aND allocating it.

ryanborror

Turbatus wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue

Same boat as the guy above me.... no idea how to weave rapid... my bs rotation mammoths give me 13k with rapid, 18k with SA. No idea how to weave it. (Leki daggers still)

And my crit feels lower despite having more cp aND allocating it.

If you struggle with it the weaving and don't have maelstrom daggers then just use surprise attack

SanTii.92

ryanborror wrote: »

Turbatus wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue

Same boat as the guy above me.... no idea how to weave rapid... my bs rotation mammoths give me 13k with rapid, 18k with SA. No idea how to weave it. (Leki daggers still)

And my crit feels lower despite having more cp aND allocating it.

If you struggle with it the weaving and don't have maelstrom daggers then just use surprise attack

Well, but I got to learn right? I do got Ma weaps tho, my question is about the interaction with the the Cruel flurry, should I just rotate normally or what?

ryanborror

I think you just apply dots with in between rapid strikes without light/heavy weaving between Rapids and dot and then weave normally when they are all up. I have not tried this yet but alcast hints at it in his stam dk video.,

Turbatus

Ah, I don't have the vma daggers yet... thought having them was just a bonus.

Gilliamtherogue

sAnn92 wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

Turbatus wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue

Same boat as the guy above me.... no idea how to weave rapid... my bs rotation mammoths give me 13k with rapid, 18k with SA. No idea how to weave it. (Leki daggers still)

And my crit feels lower despite having more cp aND allocating it.

If you struggle with it the weaving and don't have maelstrom daggers then just use surprise attack

Well, but I got to learn right? I do got Ma weaps tho, my question is about the interaction with the the Cruel flurry, should I just rotate normally or what?

Each cast of Flurry procs the enchant, which lasts 4seconds, so you much rapid strikes > dot > rapid strikes > dot until they're all up

singlemalt

Hey Gilliam, I've been running this build for a long time and loving it! Quick question as to whether or not the CP allocation link on the first page on this thread is updated for DB? Thanks for all the time and effort you have put into this build, much appreciated.

Turbatus

@Gilliamtherogue

Oh.... I was trying to cancel rapid.... it sounds less timing intensive than sa weaving

SanTii.92

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

ryanborror wrote: »

Turbatus wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue

Same boat as the guy above me.... no idea how to weave rapid... my bs rotation mammoths give me 13k with rapid, 18k with SA. No idea how to weave it. (Leki daggers still)

And my crit feels lower despite having more cp aND allocating it.

If you struggle with it the weaving and don't have maelstrom daggers then just use surprise attack

Well, but I got to learn right? I do got Ma weaps tho, my question is about the interaction with the the Cruel flurry, should I just rotate normally or what?

Each cast of Flurry procs the enchant, which lasts 4seconds, so you much rapid strikes > dot > rapid strikes > dot until they're all up

Even if half of those dots are on the bow bar? Should I rapids, swap poison injection, swap, etc.? That would be crazy lol. And what about if all dots are already applied? Rapid strikes again, or a slashes in between?

I run vIcp already, I did similar dps than before with an embarrassingly awful rotation lol so, I'm pretty excited about the potential. Thanks Gilliam

ryanborror

@Gilliamtherogue I was reading Some of what you've said on here and I've got a couple questions. Does elfborn/ precise strikes not round down anymore or work in between jump points? And if ravager is being updated would you replace nerieneth and agility if rng allows?

Gilliamtherogue

ryanborror wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue I was reading Some of what you've said on here and I've got a couple questions. Does elfborn/ precise strikes not round down anymore or work in between jump points? And if ravager is being updated would you replace nerieneth and agility if rng allows?

They both still round down and do not work outside of JP, and Ravager is not worth while since it is stuck in impen and healthy rings.

HawkStan

Hey @Gilliamtherogue
I made this exact build, just without maelstorm weapons and am on 61% crit chance when fully buffed (as a khajiet). Is that normal this patch or am i doing something wrong? (I run hundings cuz multiple guildies run night mothers)

Gilliamtherogue

HawkStan wrote: »

Hey @Gilliamtherogue
I made this exact build, just without maelstorm weapons and am on 61% crit chance when fully buffed (as a khajiet). Is that normal this patch or am i doing something wrong? (I run hundings cuz multiple guildies run night mothers)

NM and Hundings give the same crit values. When I run my old setup of 5 NM 3 agi 2 Nerieneth 2 Hundings I have 83.9% crit, so you're missing stuff.

Azuriel02

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Each cast of Flurry procs the enchant, which lasts 4seconds, so you much rapid strikes > dot > rapid strikes > dot until they're all up

Hi there.

I'm quite confused by what I quoted, does it imply that the enchant will last 4 seconds, no matter how much DoTs it buffed? I thought the enchant was consumed after a DoT was applied.

It kinda change my whole point of view on that and how much complicated it was for me to get a perfect rotation on my StamDK the past few months.. ><

Gilliamtherogue

Azuriel02 wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Each cast of Flurry procs the enchant, which lasts 4seconds, so you much rapid strikes > dot > rapid strikes > dot until they're all up

Hi there.

I'm quite confused by what I quoted, does it imply that the enchant will last 4 seconds, no matter how much DoTs it buffed? I thought the enchant was consumed after a DoT was applied.

It kinda change my whole point of view on that and how much complicated it was for me to get a perfect rotation on my StamDK the past few months.. ><

After casting Rapid Strikes you gain Cruel Flurry, which lasts a total of 4 seconds. If you cast a single target DoT (some AoE's consume it as well, but only 1 target well gain the bonus weapon damage) within those 4 seconds, the duration of the DoT casted will gain the bonus weapon damage.

Misterbiax

Hi Gilliam! Could I ask you which are the best replacements for Maelstrom weapons in this build?

Gilliamtherogue

Misterbiax wrote: »

Hi Gilliam! Could I ask you which are the best replacements for Maelstrom weapons in this build?

Under Honorable mentions, 2 Lekis or 2 Hundings.

YoloWizard

Hey, I have been playing my Stamblade recently and I'm bumped about it. Do you have recent parses by any chance so I can compare what I'm running with?

This *** can (or almost) honestly compete or even defeat Stam DK

mortalous

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Misterbiax wrote: »

Hi Gilliam! Could I ask you which are the best replacements for Maelstrom weapons in this build?

Under Honorable mentions, 2 Lekis or 2 Hundings.

Hi Gilliam. I assume Morag Tong or Leki can be used if I don't have Maelstrom daggers yet? Morag has the same bonus for the 2 set weapon damage as well, and it seems to be more available currently than Leki is on most vendors (without farming them of course). There were a few selling for 45k earlier today.

phreatophile

mortalous wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Misterbiax wrote: »

Hi Gilliam! Could I ask you which are the best replacements for Maelstrom weapons in this build?

Under Honorable mentions, 2 Lekis or 2 Hundings.

Hi Gilliam. I assume Morag Tong or Leki can be used if I don't have Maelstrom daggers yet? Morag has the same bonus for the 2 set weapon damage as well, and it seems to be more available currently than Leki is on most vendors (without farming them of course). There were a few selling for 45k earlier today.

I paid 4K each for Leki's last week in Rawl'kha of all places and there were many of them. They were purple and some blue quality and had crap enchants but that's easy enough to fix. There were lots of them in Orsinium and several in Belkarth as well. Look around a bit more before you overpay by 10X.

Gilliamtherogue

mortalous wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Misterbiax wrote: »

Hi Gilliam! Could I ask you which are the best replacements for Maelstrom weapons in this build?

Under Honorable mentions, 2 Lekis or 2 Hundings.

Hi Gilliam. I assume Morag Tong or Leki can be used if I don't have Maelstrom daggers yet? Morag has the same bonus for the 2 set weapon damage as well, and it seems to be more available currently than Leki is on most vendors (without farming them of course). There were a few selling for 45k earlier today.

Leki's should be far cheaper than Morag Tong, but either of them work as they both come in precise daggers and have weapon damage as the 2 piece. Keep in mind that Hunding's (or 2 NM if you're using 5 Hunding's) will beat the weapon damage if someone is running Aggressive Warhorn.