Imperial City Prison (Vet)

Destruent

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that the old version of Flesh Sculptor damages the reputation of vICP to this day.

You mean: the new version of Flesh Sculptor (and nerfs to attronachs) make it a cakewalk and now good players are bored from vICP? Agree with you
Flesh Sculptor was fine, you just had to do the mechanic...sadly you don't need to anymore...

magnusthorek

If grenades spawn in fixed locations then yeah, following mechanics would fit perfectly, but since there are too many flesh atronachs at once and with so little time to kill before they get enraged, it's much more simple to just AoE everything

Destruent

magnusthorek wrote: »

If grenades spawn in fixed locations then yeah, following mechanics would fit perfectly, but since there are too many flesh atronachs at once and with so little time to kill before they get enraged, it's much more simple to just AoE everything

If you do the mechanics, there will only be ONE attronach. Shouldn't be that hard to kill him, isn't it? If you can't kill one attronach you won't even get to the flesh sculptor XD

magnusthorek

I know that but, like I said, keep only one atronach active all the time when grenades spawn at random location is not very practical for the vast majority of players.

Besides, it's so much fun to run for our lives and kill several atronachs at once. Last time I did ICP, although I couldn't finish because the other pseudo-DPS (that's the most polite way I can call that), I dished 6.2kk of total damage.

Destruent

magnusthorek wrote: »

I know that but, like I said, keep only one atronach active all the time when grenades spawn at random location is not very practical for the vast majority of players.

Besides, it's so much fun to run for our lives and kill several atronachs at once. Last time I did ICP, although I couldn't finish because the other pseudo-DPS (that's the most polite way I can call that), I dished 6.2kk of total damage.

So you don't want to do the mechanics and complain about so much attronachs at once? rly? Sure it takes some practice avoiding all of them, but it's doable...

You don't need so much DPS to do this...just let him throw flesh grenades and dps boss/attronachs alone...that's how we did it before they nerfed it. Was a great fight, bc it needs some practice and everyone had to do their job properly

PS: 6.2 million dmg says nothing...my lvl10 twink can do 6.2million damage...it just takes some time. You failed bc your tactics doesn't fit to your group...nothing else.

omfgitsbatman

Honestly, this is a case of having your cake, eating it too, not paying for it, and stealing $5 from the bum outside the bakery. You can't have it every way. You can't have challenging content that will keep people interested, that everybody can do, while making it worth doing, while keeping everyone's immersions in tact without group dps meters and such.

ESO is "Play your way"... but some ways are going to be better for some tasks than others, that's just the way it is and there's nothing that could possibly be done about that. The reason that you can't pug this dungeon effectively is it requires either an ability to coordinate and do mechanics or a certain dps threshold. Pugs are famous for having neither of these.

The way it's going is not improving anything for pugs either. Eventually this place will be nerfed into the ground enough for every group to have a shot at completing it... maybe... There are still quite a few groups that can't do Vet City of Ash, and that's been around for a long time.

The main problem that I have seen with pugs is the individuals holding the group back do not know that they are holding the group back. Without a group DPS/HPS meter, the group might not even know what the problem is. Not having numbers such as stat pool numbers, and a scrolling combat text showing the amount you hit for optional on the standard UI is not helping anybody either. Without knowing some facts like how hard you hit, and whether this or that makes you heal harder or take less damage, it's hard for people to both know they need to improve and know when they are, in fact, improving.

This problem is not a problem with the dungeon. I promise you it's easy in a group where just 1 person has done it before but everyone can pull their weight. The problem is not enough information for people. People have no idea that they aren't performing well enough to complete the content.

Shadesofkin

Hey remember, prison is behind a DLC, if you're attempting to do it without TS and people you know (aka PUGGING it) then that's on you homie.

Preyfar

ThePonzzz wrote: »

Steel tornado does nothing in that fight. I'm a stamina NB, recently got my DPS to about 15.4k (30k burst), and my steel tornado does like 5k? Over 1600 stamina recovery, I'm tapped very quickly.

I've yet to run into a PUG doing 20k AoE, sustained.

Evil Hunter + Caltrops + Siphon + Steel Tornado and yes, you can do a massive amount of damage and just spam it non-stop. Single target is better for Ibomez, but if he's got a lot of flesh atros out, one person just needs to toss a grenade into the mix, debuff the atros and you can AOE them down almost instantly. My steel tornadoes, with crits, do about 7-8K of damage depending on what buffs I have. Then factor in Caltrops, as well as Evil Hunter... and the debuff damage makes my AOE hit like Wrecking Blows to every Atro in the area. It's very possible, but you just need the right buffs/debuffs to do it.

Zerok

Frankly, I don't even bother with vICP, pledge or not.

I've completed normal ICP and it feels like a vet dungeon already. vICP seems impossible to complete, especially with a PUG.

IMHO, you absolutely need these to even consider completing it:
- A group accustomed to playing together
- Strategic planning before all the boss fights
- Optimized characters for all four players

If you lack any of those, forget it, you won't complete it.

Molag_Crow

Zerok wrote: »

Frankly, I don't even bother with vICP, pledge or not.

I've completed normal ICP and it feels like a vet dungeon already. vICP seems impossible to complete, especially with a PUG.

IMHO, you absolutely need these to even consider completing it:
- A group accustomed to playing together
- Strategic planning before all the boss fights
- Optimized characters for all four players

If you lack any of those, forget it, you won't complete it.

Exactly. I still have the quest in my log from the other day and I'm tempted to give normal a shot with a PUG and see how it goes, because Vet is definitely out the window.

Hamrb

try getting social in game and joining the community. As you find some players around your skill level, you'll find that you all grow together. If you're lucky enough you may even find a guild or top player that will take you under their wing :-). Just remember to try and be social, and fun!

Shadesofkin

Hamrb wrote: »

try getting social in game and joining the community. As you find some players around your skill level, you'll find that you all grow together. If you're lucky enough you may even find a guild or top player that will take you under their wing :-). Just remember to try and be social, and fun!

What? You can't expect someone to attempt to make actual connections with their fellow players and develop relationships beyond their next PUG, that's just crazy talk!

Molag_Crow

Shadesofkin wrote: »

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Hamrb wrote: »

try getting social in game and joining the community. As you find some players around your skill level, you'll find that you all grow together. If you're lucky enough you may even find a guild or top player that will take you under their wing :-). Just remember to try and be social, and fun!

What? You can't expect someone to attempt to make actual connections with their fellow players and develop relationships beyond their next PUG, that's just crazy talk!

It'll be much easier once consoles get text chat, because what you say, is true. I had an easier time finding casual, hardcore PvE and PvP on other mmos like WoW, purely due to text chat. I'm usually verbally quiet, so I prefer typing.

deathbyk1te

I logging in at work to add my experience with pugging vICP. I've never pugged dungeons because I have a core group that I play with. vICP and vWGT are no longer a problem now because we've worked hard to learn the dungeons.

So for funsies, my self (NB Stam) and another friend (who is usually a tank) ran vICP by pugging a healer and a tank. For vICP we had a v3 tank (he was battle leveled so it was fine) who had never done it before but said he'd watched videos and read up on guides to prepare for the dungeon. The healer (v16 NB Healer) had experience with the dungeon already so he didn't need much instruction. To the tanks credit, he was a fast learner and took instructions well. Only my friend and I were on TS but we still managed to coordinate rather well with our two teammates. It took us about 2 hours to get the dungeon done but we had fun and helped a v3 get experience. I have to say that I'm willing to roll the dice again and PUG this dungeon. I know most of the time it really does depend on the kind of people you get in your group. If no one is willing to listen to suggestions or to change something about how they approach a fight then it can and will be a trying experience.

Molag_Crow

deathbyk1te wrote: »

I logging in at work to add my experience with pugging vICP. I've never pugged dungeons because I have a core group that I play with. vICP and vWGT are no longer a problem now because we've worked hard to learn the dungeons.

So for funsies, my self (NB Stam) and another friend (who is usually a tank) ran vICP by pugging a healer and a tank. For vICP we had a v3 tank (he was battle leveled so it was fine) who had never done it before but said he'd watched videos and read up on guides to prepare for the dungeon. The healer (v16 NB Healer) had experience with the dungeon already so he didn't need much instruction. To the tanks credit, he was a fast learner and took instructions well. Only my friend and I were on TS but we still managed to coordinate rather well with our two teammates. It took us about 2 hours to get the dungeon done but we had fun and helped a v3 get experience. I have to say that I'm willing to roll the dice again and PUG this dungeon. I know most of the time it really does depend on the kind of people you get in your group. If no one is willing to listen to suggestions or to change something about how they approach a fight then it can and will be a trying experience.

Well said. It does come down to that, yeah.. if one's willing to accept their mistakes and failure, then listen and learn, it can be done even with the most averagely-geared players.

magnusthorek

@Destruent, you're failing to understand what I'm try to say and, on purpose or not, you seem to be twisting my words. We failed, yes, but only in the final battle.

Maybe it's a piece of cake to you, it's not for me. Maybe you have a decent group always online at the time you play, I don't. You probably play this game for much more time than me and you know how to the things in a better way, good for you. My closest in game friends can't make a whole team yet. And I'll not even mention class restrictions to not extend even further...

daemonios

magnusthorek wrote: »

@Destruent, you're failing to understand what I'm try to say and, on purpose or not, you seem to be twisting my words. We failed, yes, but only in the final battle.

Maybe it's a piece of cake to you, it's not for me. Maybe you have a decent group always online at the time you play, I don't. You probably play this game for much more time than me and you know how to the things in a better way, good for you. My closest in game friends can't make a whole team yet. And I'll not even mention class restrictions to not extend even further...

This is a social game. It requires you to group up with others to do some of the content. You can easily join guilds and build lists of friends with whom you've run a couple of pledges/dungeons, and soon you'll find there's always someone online. If you want to ignore these aspects of the game, I don't think it's fair to complain that you never get groups.

deathscythe

^ Agreed. To be honest I don't mind dungeons or raids taking time to do. Gives the game some longevity vs a bunch of 10min group instances that are DPS races.

Better then sitting in vMSA by yourself for a couple of hours.

magnusthorek

Did I complain I never get groups? Yes I had some difficulty to find capable players in my timezone, but I always manage to group up, that's not the point of my argumentation.

omfgitsbatman

Hamrb wrote: »

try getting social in game and joining the community. As you find some players around your skill level, you'll find that you all grow together. If you're lucky enough you may even find a guild or top player that will take you under their wing :-). Just remember to try and be social, and fun!

This. This. 1000 times this. My friends and I were all absolutely horrible at this game. We played and learned together, then pushed each other. The amount you'll improve like this is astounding.